Alzheimer's data needed-Reagan's data is not verifiable

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. However, Ronald Reagan's data is not

authenticated. There are *many* conflicting and unverified reports

as you will see in this report from Astradatabank:

 

" In June 2004,it appears that we have no authenticated birth time.

Following are the times that have surfaced, with some of the most

recent additions first: In June 2004, just after Reagan's death, Jim

Shawvan wrote to PT by e-mail: " I have known for several years that

Ronald Reagan had personally given his birth time as 8:25 am to a

friend of mine, Joy Rippeth, who was his first astrologer. " Thus the

correct birth data for Ronald Reagan is Feb. 6, 1911, 8:25 am,

Tampico, IL. Now that Reagan has passed away, I have Joy's

permission to reveal this information, and to reveal her identity as

well. She is retired now. " Jim attached correspondence from Joy

Rippeth who said she got the time of 8:25 AM from Ronald Reagan

himself and that she had advised him to be careful on March 30-31,

1981. Note that Reagan was shot on March 30. Steven Stuckey confirms

that Reagan's birth certificate has no time on it and is shown in a

book published in 2001, called: " Ronald Reagan: The Presidential

Portfolio. " Steven writes: " 'This book is `a history illustrated

from the collection of the Ronald Reagan library and museum'. A copy

of the original State of Illinois birth certificate is shown very

clearly on page 2. There is no time of birth stated on the

certificate, nor is there a space on the document for the time. All

the other particulars are there, including date of birth as well as

parents names and occupations. What is most interesting is the date

of signing by the physician in attendance, Dr. H.A. Terry. That date

is August 14, 1942. " Another source who wishes to remain anonymous

communicated with PT in April 2004. The source reported a close

relationship to the former president and Mrs. Reagan and wrote by e-

mail: " President Reagan had stated that his mother's water broke

late afternoon, at home. His father went to get a midwife to help

with the birth. President Reagan said he arrived a little later. It

is known that his mother had a difficult labor. I have been working

his chart for years as a Leo rising sign at 13° 10, and the chart

works with all events known to me in his life. His chart was set for

5:51 PM. " The source further states that, according to Nancy Reagan,

Patty Reagan [who gave 4:16 AM] could not have known the time and

was simply giving the same information that the author of " Dutch "

gave in his book, a time that Mrs. Reagan felt was wrong. In 2002,

the data of Ronald Reagan for 4:16 AM CST, then thought to be

correct, was given by his daughter Patti Davis in Time magazine

(February 4, 2002). In an article on page 4, she states, " My father

was born at home, at 4:16 AM on February 6, 1911, after a long and

difficult labor. " This is the same time as Edmund Morris gave (as

birth certificate) in his biography, " Dutch: A Memoir of Ronald

Reagan, " New York, Random House, p.14 and p.688. As Morris wrote the

book as a semi-fictional biography to which he admits making up

footnotes to add veracity to his accounts, historians have severely

criticized his ten-year labor and the time of birth was largely

questioned. In prior efforts of the community to find this data, the

time was rectified to 3:43 AM by Joan Quigley, Nancy Reagan's

astrologer, from family information that he was born " early

morning. " American Astrology March 1976 states that it has a

questionnaire returned from Reagan giving " early morning. " Angel

Thompson quotes a letter from his office, May 1980, that " the

Governor was born pre-dawn " (copy in hand). Eve de Alberich

called from Houston April 8, 1981 to report that she had talked to

Reagan's cousin (his mother's sister's daughter) who has kept family

records, and who said that she had no record of Reagan's time of

birth but it was early morning, pre-dawn. (In June 2004, Eve wrote

to PT by e-mail to say that the Reagan cousin was Mrs. Carl Waters

who was present during and helped with the home birth. When the

birth was over, Mrs. Waters said it was just beginning to get light,

just before dawn; the sun was not yet up. Based on her

investigation of sun rise that day, Eve uses 3:27 AM). Eve called

Doris Chase Doane who told her that 40 years ago Jane Wyman had a

chart done for herself and her husband, Ronald. She did not know the

time so they used an arbitrary 2:00 AM, which Doane and Righter had

been using since. Marion March, November 1984, had a long discussion

with the Reagan archivist who figured the birth was between 4:00

and 7:00 AM from deduction. March speculated 5:04 AM CST. The pre-

dawn birth was rectified to 3:46 AM by Betty Marks in AFA September

1980. Jeff Jawer quoted Ray Merriman, from Katherine de Jersey,

reputed to be Nancy's astrologer: " Reagan's ASC is 28 Scorpio, " a

time thatcomputes to 1:56 AM, " rectified from 2:00 AM given to Kraum

years ago by Reagan. " LMR spoke to Katherine de Jersey on July 7,

1988. Katherine said that she had called Nancy's mom many years ago,

who gave her Nancy's phone number. She called Nancy, who was cool at

first, but then told her that " as closely as they knew, Ronald had

been born at 2:00 AM. " Van Courtland rectifies to 00:58:29 AM, given

in Mercury Hour in April 1982. Steinbrecher has a note from Vital

Statistics Bureau, " The county office won't give out the data

without a court order. We do know that Mrs. Reagan had problems in

delivery and there was a bad storm the night before. " Ronald W.

Howland of the UK writes (May 2000) " Reagan has interested me for

years, so has the ongoing debate regarding his birth-time. Based on

Joan Quigley's description of his chart I too concluded that he must

have had the late mutable degrees on the angles of his chart. And I

have presented a chart based on an estimated time of 4.15 AM in my

book " A Chronology of American Charts, " at present awaiting review

in the Mountain Astrologer. So it came as a pleasant, confirming,

surprise to find the chart on your site set of for 4.16. However,

after reading the commentaries on Reagan's chart, I was moved to

contact the Ronald Reagan Library who hold a copy of his birth

certificate. I thought you might be interested in their reply to the

specific question as to what time his BC showed. It is dated 10 May

2000:- " Dear Mr. Howland, " I'm sorry, I can't help. We have a

facsimile of Reagan's birth certificate on display in the museum and

I checked it - no time is given just the date.Ed Morris cites three

other sources for that information: Reagan's first

autobiography " Where's the Rest of Me " ; the Tampico Tornado for

February 10, 1911; and an interview with Paul Nicely, the founder of

the Reagan Birthplace Museum. I checked the autobiography and there

was no mention of his time of birth. We don't have the Tornado issue

or the Nicely interview. Sorry, I could not be more helpful Cate

Sewell, Archivist. " This as least seems to clear up the question as

to whether his birth-time was actually recorded, which seems not so

according to the above. Maybe some-one over there who lives by

Tampico might want to track down the relevant copy of the " Tampico

Tornado " in the local library, if only to see if that contains any

worthwhile information, or whether it too is another red herring.

Please feel free to include this information on your site if you

deem it to be of use. Best Wishes, Ron Howland (UK) " Kt Boehrer

wrote in November 2000, " In March of 1981 my articles in re to

Reagan were published in the Stellium Quarterly, an Astrological

Journal in which I explained how I had rectified his chart to a 16

Sagittarius ascendant. I had over 30 events and dates that I used

and the birth time of 3:24 AM worked perfectly for every one of

those events. The data I used was: February 6, 1911, 3:24 AM,

Tampico, IL. His PreNatal Epoch chart is: May 25, 1910, 3:35 AM,

Tampico, IL. " A time of 2:00 PM is also widely used. Doris Chase

Doane in Dell Horoscope gave 2:00 AM CST: Doris said that she and

Carroll Righter had been using that chart for 40 years. Joylyn Hill

in MH 12/1975 quotes Carroll Righter for 2:00 PM CST. The same data

was repeated by Pryor in AFA 10/1971 and Gallo in Celebrity

Horoscopes. Mayo in AFA 3/1976 rectified to 1:53 PM CST. Hammitt in

MH 7/1980 reported that " Cancer ASC was printed in World Astrology

2/1941, by an excellent astrologer who sometimes does speculative

charts. John Bradford says that the time of 2:00 PM came from

Adrianne Dunn, but the rumor persisted that Carroll Righter was

Reagan's astrologer. Righter never gave out any data for any reason,

but LMR reports that a picture of Nancy and Ronald was among the

pictures of public figures on his grand piano, and he had a framed

invitation to the presidential inauguration on the wall. Frances

McEvoy sends a clipping in January 1987 that reported, " An 88-year-

old man in Boston, MA, claims to remember the day Ronald Reagan was

born. He said that at a school assembly one girl was late as someone

in her family was having a baby and no one could bring her to

school. The baby was born that afternoon and the birth was announced

before the assembly was over. " Luc Gatto dowses with a picture and

gets 2:32 PM. AFA April 1968 quotes " a close friend of the family "

for 1:20 AM CST. On September 3, 2000, Ed Dearborn contributed his

collection of 56 birth times suggested for Ronald Reagan, some

duplicates, from various astrologers. Most were rectifications

around the 2:00 PM time, or variations of the AM time ranging from

1:00 AM to 11:00 AM. Raul Davila, PMAFA, NCGR IV, San Antonio Texas,

writes on February 2, 2002, " In 1981 I began a 2 year study of

President Reagan's Birth Information. I made numerous calls around

the country and read every book, magazine, and newspaper article I

could obtain. I spoke with the curator of the Reagan birth place

museum in Tampico. I spoke with " Moon " Reagan, the Presidents

brother. Neal " Moon " Reagan was most delightful and I recall his

eagerly chatting for at least 30 minutes... He got out the Family

Bible which was in his possession and read all the birth data of

family members that was recorded. I finally collected with David

Dozier's help over 100 timed events in the life of Pres. Reagan. I

used this data to time his birth via multiple rectification methods.

There was and is NO ecorded time of birth for President Reagan.

After having completed my personal quest, I sent it to Nancy Reagan

and predicted to her that President Reagan would be easily re-

elected in 1984 and would make historic progress in forging foreign

relations and Peace efforts. It was after this that I began to

suspect that the President had an Astrologer as many of his public

appearances and news conferences were at times with unusual

astrological connections and aspects. Moving forward in time... We

have the book " What does Joan Say " which documents the astrological

work of Joan Quigly. Incidentally the Time of birth that Joan Quigly

[used] was unusually close to the Time I had sent to Nancy Reagan in

1983. "

 

It is just incredible that I have requested data from so many

Alzheimer's groups as well as astrology groups and organizations and

have only received a handful of personal charts of individuals

afflicted with this disorder. These along with the 45 in

Astrodatabank are not enough for a credible study. It is as if the

Universe does not want me to do the research. Thanks anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

, " narendra kumar

dixit " <arthateet_shiv wrote:

>

> -dear friend,

> Ronald Reagan had this disease which he himself

acknoledged.Horoscope

> of Reagan can easily be found on the net.thanks.

> nkdixit

>

>

>

> -- In , " jai.ma "

> <jai.ma@> wrote:

> >

> > I am an East-West astrologer researching the astrological

> implications

> > of Alzheimer's Disease. If anyone has chart data you are free to

> share

> > with me for individuals with this affliction, I would be most

> grateful-

> > need date/time/place of birth and date of onset of illness.

Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear friend,

If you have actual research orientation you should not lose heart and

continue more vigourously your search for sufficient data.

If any data has some discrepancy regarding birth time,astrologers

have methods to rectify birth time.Even without that, chandra kundali

is better than nothing.

I have provided link angelfire etc where some astrologer came to some

conclusion after study of 17 related charts.You should study it more

closely.And more important,you should pl share whatever data you have

at present.

If you show your genuineness I certainly will engage my energy in

helping you and God with his thousand hand will come to your help

through people like me.My best wishes with you.

N K DIXIT

 

 

, " jai.ma "

<jai.ma wrote:

>

> Thanks for your response. However, Ronald Reagan's data is not

> authenticated. There are *many* conflicting and unverified reports

> as you will see in this report from Astradatabank:

>

> " In June 2004,it appears that we have no authenticated birth time.

> Following are the times that have surfaced, with some of the most

> recent additions first: In June 2004, just after Reagan's death,

Jim

> Shawvan wrote to PT by e-mail: " I have known for several years that

> Ronald Reagan had personally given his birth time as 8:25 am to a

> friend of mine, Joy Rippeth, who was his first astrologer. " Thus

the

> correct birth data for Ronald Reagan is Feb. 6, 1911, 8:25 am,

> Tampico, IL. Now that Reagan has passed away, I have Joy's

> permission to reveal this information, and to reveal her identity

as

> well. She is retired now. " Jim attached correspondence from Joy

> Rippeth who said she got the time of 8:25 AM from Ronald Reagan

> himself and that she had advised him to be careful on March 30-31,

> 1981. Note that Reagan was shot on March 30. Steven Stuckey

confirms

> that Reagan's birth certificate has no time on it and is shown in a

> book published in 2001, called: " Ronald Reagan: The Presidential

> Portfolio. " Steven writes: " 'This book is `a history illustrated

> from the collection of the Ronald Reagan library and museum'. A

copy

> of the original State of Illinois birth certificate is shown very

> clearly on page 2. There is no time of birth stated on the

> certificate, nor is there a space on the document for the time. All

> the other particulars are there, including date of birth as well as

> parents names and occupations. What is most interesting is the date

> of signing by the physician in attendance, Dr. H.A. Terry. That

date

> is August 14, 1942. " Another source who wishes to remain anonymous

> communicated with PT in April 2004. The source reported a close

> relationship to the former president and Mrs. Reagan and wrote by e-

> mail: " President Reagan had stated that his mother's water broke

> late afternoon, at home. His father went to get a midwife to help

> with the birth. President Reagan said he arrived a little later. It

> is known that his mother had a difficult labor. I have been working

> his chart for years as a Leo rising sign at 13° 10, and the chart

> works with all events known to me in his life. His chart was set

for

> 5:51 PM. " The source further states that, according to Nancy

Reagan,

> Patty Reagan [who gave 4:16 AM] could not have known the time and

> was simply giving the same information that the author of " Dutch "

> gave in his book, a time that Mrs. Reagan felt was wrong. In 2002,

> the data of Ronald Reagan for 4:16 AM CST, then thought to be

> correct, was given by his daughter Patti Davis in Time magazine

> (February 4, 2002). In an article on page 4, she states, " My father

> was born at home, at 4:16 AM on February 6, 1911, after a long and

> difficult labor. " This is the same time as Edmund Morris gave (as

> birth certificate) in his biography, " Dutch: A Memoir of Ronald

> Reagan, " New York, Random House, p.14 and p.688. As Morris wrote

the

> book as a semi-fictional biography to which he admits making up

> footnotes to add veracity to his accounts, historians have severely

> criticized his ten-year labor and the time of birth was largely

> questioned. In prior efforts of the community to find this data,

the

> time was rectified to 3:43 AM by Joan Quigley, Nancy Reagan's

> astrologer, from family information that he was born " early

> morning. " American Astrology March 1976 states that it has a

> questionnaire returned from Reagan giving " early morning. " Angel

> Thompson quotes a letter from his office, May 1980, that " the

> Governor was born pre-dawn " (copy in hand). Eve de Alberich

> called from Houston April 8, 1981 to report that she had talked to

> Reagan's cousin (his mother's sister's daughter) who has kept

family

> records, and who said that she had no record of Reagan's time of

> birth but it was early morning, pre-dawn. (In June 2004, Eve wrote

> to PT by e-mail to say that the Reagan cousin was Mrs. Carl Waters

> who was present during and helped with the home birth. When the

> birth was over, Mrs. Waters said it was just beginning to get

light,

> just before dawn; the sun was not yet up. Based on her

> investigation of sun rise that day, Eve uses 3:27 AM). Eve called

> Doris Chase Doane who told her that 40 years ago Jane Wyman had a

> chart done for herself and her husband, Ronald. She did not know

the

> time so they used an arbitrary 2:00 AM, which Doane and Righter had

> been using since. Marion March, November 1984, had a long

discussion

> with the Reagan archivist who figured the birth was between 4:00

> and 7:00 AM from deduction. March speculated 5:04 AM CST. The pre-

> dawn birth was rectified to 3:46 AM by Betty Marks in AFA September

> 1980. Jeff Jawer quoted Ray Merriman, from Katherine de Jersey,

> reputed to be Nancy's astrologer: " Reagan's ASC is 28 Scorpio, " a

> time thatcomputes to 1:56 AM, " rectified from 2:00 AM given to

Kraum

> years ago by Reagan. " LMR spoke to Katherine de Jersey on July 7,

> 1988. Katherine said that she had called Nancy's mom many years

ago,

> who gave her Nancy's phone number. She called Nancy, who was cool

at

> first, but then told her that " as closely as they knew, Ronald had

> been born at 2:00 AM. " Van Courtland rectifies to 00:58:29 AM,

given

> in Mercury Hour in April 1982. Steinbrecher has a note from Vital

> Statistics Bureau, " The county office won't give out the data

> without a court order. We do know that Mrs. Reagan had problems in

> delivery and there was a bad storm the night before. " Ronald W.

> Howland of the UK writes (May 2000) " Reagan has interested me for

> years, so has the ongoing debate regarding his birth-time. Based on

> Joan Quigley's description of his chart I too concluded that he

must

> have had the late mutable degrees on the angles of his chart. And I

> have presented a chart based on an estimated time of 4.15 AM in my

> book " A Chronology of American Charts, " at present awaiting review

> in the Mountain Astrologer. So it came as a pleasant, confirming,

> surprise to find the chart on your site set of for 4.16. However,

> after reading the commentaries on Reagan's chart, I was moved to

> contact the Ronald Reagan Library who hold a copy of his birth

> certificate. I thought you might be interested in their reply to

the

> specific question as to what time his BC showed. It is dated 10 May

> 2000:- " Dear Mr. Howland, " I'm sorry, I can't help. We have a

> facsimile of Reagan's birth certificate on display in the museum

and

> I checked it - no time is given just the date.Ed Morris cites three

> other sources for that information: Reagan's first

> autobiography " Where's the Rest of Me " ; the Tampico Tornado for

> February 10, 1911; and an interview with Paul Nicely, the founder

of

> the Reagan Birthplace Museum. I checked the autobiography and there

> was no mention of his time of birth. We don't have the Tornado

issue

> or the Nicely interview. Sorry, I could not be more helpful Cate

> Sewell, Archivist. " This as least seems to clear up the question as

> to whether his birth-time was actually recorded, which seems not so

> according to the above. Maybe some-one over there who lives by

> Tampico might want to track down the relevant copy of the " Tampico

> Tornado " in the local library, if only to see if that contains any

> worthwhile information, or whether it too is another red herring.

> Please feel free to include this information on your site if you

> deem it to be of use. Best Wishes, Ron Howland (UK) " Kt Boehrer

> wrote in November 2000, " In March of 1981 my articles in re to

> Reagan were published in the Stellium Quarterly, an Astrological

> Journal in which I explained how I had rectified his chart to a 16

> Sagittarius ascendant. I had over 30 events and dates that I used

> and the birth time of 3:24 AM worked perfectly for every one of

> those events. The data I used was: February 6, 1911, 3:24 AM,

> Tampico, IL. His PreNatal Epoch chart is: May 25, 1910, 3:35 AM,

> Tampico, IL. " A time of 2:00 PM is also widely used. Doris Chase

> Doane in Dell Horoscope gave 2:00 AM CST: Doris said that she and

> Carroll Righter had been using that chart for 40 years. Joylyn Hill

> in MH 12/1975 quotes Carroll Righter for 2:00 PM CST. The same data

> was repeated by Pryor in AFA 10/1971 and Gallo in Celebrity

> Horoscopes. Mayo in AFA 3/1976 rectified to 1:53 PM CST. Hammitt in

> MH 7/1980 reported that " Cancer ASC was printed in World Astrology

> 2/1941, by an excellent astrologer who sometimes does speculative

> charts. John Bradford says that the time of 2:00 PM came from

> Adrianne Dunn, but the rumor persisted that Carroll Righter was

> Reagan's astrologer. Righter never gave out any data for any

reason,

> but LMR reports that a picture of Nancy and Ronald was among the

> pictures of public figures on his grand piano, and he had a framed

> invitation to the presidential inauguration on the wall. Frances

> McEvoy sends a clipping in January 1987 that reported, " An 88-year-

> old man in Boston, MA, claims to remember the day Ronald Reagan was

> born. He said that at a school assembly one girl was late as

someone

> in her family was having a baby and no one could bring her to

> school. The baby was born that afternoon and the birth was

announced

> before the assembly was over. " Luc Gatto dowses with a picture and

> gets 2:32 PM. AFA April 1968 quotes " a close friend of the family "

> for 1:20 AM CST. On September 3, 2000, Ed Dearborn contributed his

> collection of 56 birth times suggested for Ronald Reagan, some

> duplicates, from various astrologers. Most were rectifications

> around the 2:00 PM time, or variations of the AM time ranging from

> 1:00 AM to 11:00 AM. Raul Davila, PMAFA, NCGR IV, San Antonio

Texas,

> writes on February 2, 2002, " In 1981 I began a 2 year study of

> President Reagan's Birth Information. I made numerous calls around

> the country and read every book, magazine, and newspaper article I

> could obtain. I spoke with the curator of the Reagan birth place

> museum in Tampico. I spoke with " Moon " Reagan, the Presidents

> brother. Neal " Moon " Reagan was most delightful and I recall his

> eagerly chatting for at least 30 minutes... He got out the Family

> Bible which was in his possession and read all the birth data of

> family members that was recorded. I finally collected with David

> Dozier's help over 100 timed events in the life of Pres. Reagan. I

> used this data to time his birth via multiple rectification

methods.

> There was and is NO ecorded time of birth for President Reagan.

> After having completed my personal quest, I sent it to Nancy Reagan

> and predicted to her that President Reagan would be easily re-

> elected in 1984 and would make historic progress in forging foreign

> relations and Peace efforts. It was after this that I began to

> suspect that the President had an Astrologer as many of his public

> appearances and news conferences were at times with unusual

> astrological connections and aspects. Moving forward in time... We

> have the book " What does Joan Say " which documents the astrological

> work of Joan Quigly. Incidentally the Time of birth that Joan

Quigly

> [used] was unusually close to the Time I had sent to Nancy Reagan

in

> 1983. "

>

> It is just incredible that I have requested data from so many

> Alzheimer's groups as well as astrology groups and organizations

and

> have only received a handful of personal charts of individuals

> afflicted with this disorder. These along with the 45 in

> Astrodatabank are not enough for a credible study. It is as if the

> Universe does not want me to do the research. Thanks anyway.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " narendra kumar

> dixit " <arthateet_shiv@> wrote:

> >

> > -dear friend,

> > Ronald Reagan had this disease which he himself

> acknoledged.Horoscope

> > of Reagan can easily be found on the net.thanks.

> > nkdixit

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , " jai.ma "

> > <jai.ma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am an East-West astrologer researching the astrological

> > implications

> > > of Alzheimer's Disease. If anyone has chart data you are free

to

> > share

> > > with me for individuals with this affliction, I would be most

> > grateful-

> > > need date/time/place of birth and date of onset of illness.

> Thanks.

> > >

> >

>