Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Hi Steven! Your email about up the Eruption of Mount Pelee on Martinique and I have got an idea. Lately I was watching a program about the eruption of the Vesuvius, in Italy (79 BC JC) only there was no date, Only year 79. Now I tried out the same date and hour in 79 for the eruption in Pompei and noticed Pluto at the same degree in Taurus.The orb was only 40'. Pelee's Asc was also conjunct the midpoint Pluto/Neptune in 79.Indeed I noted several more mutual conjunctions between the two charts which are interesting for me as a practitioner of the Uranian Astrology. For research these Uranian planets add more interesting facts. Succes with your study, regards Anny. - " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:46 PM Mount Pelee > Dear Members, > > I was watching a TV program this evening on the eruption of Mt Pelee > that occurred on May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM near the city of St. Pierre on > the island of Martinique. > (14N45) (61W11). > > The eruption completely destroyed the village of St. Pierre and all of > it's 30,000 inhabitants (2 survivors only) in a matter of about 3 > minutes. > > > A few observations: The natal chart of the event has 27Tau11 rising > (Fagan) with Uranus at 27Sco11 and Pluto at 24 Tau 04. > > The total Solar Eclipse preceding the event (excluding all partial > eclipses) occurred on May 18, 1901 @ 1:33:11 AM at St. Pierre.. > Asc=22Aqu, MC=25Sco, > Uranus=22Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > Progressing the Solar Eclipse using the PSSR rate (from Solar Fire) to > the event date and time of the eruption (May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM) gives: > Asc=20Tau, MC=10Aqu, Pluto=23Tau, Uranus=22Sco, Mars=9Leo. > > The Sun's ennead (9th harmonic or 40* increments of the Sun) prior to > the eruption occurred on April 7, 1902. > Asc=21Aqu, MC=25Sco, Uranus=27Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > The Cap Lunar preceding the event occurred on April 29, 1902: Asc=4Can, > MC=2Aries, Saturn=4Cap, Mars=8Aries, Node=10Aries > > The Cap Solar preceding the event occurred on Jan 14, 1902: Asc=6Cap, > MC=16Lib, Mars=16Cap, Node=16Lib, Merc=7Cap. > > Mars and Pluto were nearly exact by declination: +13* 57' and +14* 03'. > > Uranus was at -00* 02' of latitude, Saturn at +00* 01', and Mars at -00 > 19'. > > (Uranus was at 00* 00' latitude on the day of the Hiroshima bomb) > Best, Steve > Message: 2 Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:48:27 -0700 " Bert Fannin " <bwfannin Re: Mount Pelee Why the new moon in just Pisces? Why not of some other constellation? Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " > To see the year upcoming for a nation or city, use the chart for the last > new moon in Pisces. Set for > Martinique on April 8 1902, a month before the explosion, you get: > > Asc 27Taurus > Pluto 24 Taurus > Uranus 28Scorpio > Sun/Moon 25Pisces > Mars 23 Pisces > Ketu/SN 12 Aries (this exactly semisquare Asc from the > 12th house) > > One problem with this technique is that it isn't very location-specific. > The Pisces new moon chart for Washington, DC for example has an ascendant of > 24 Taurus -- not that big a difference. A more promising approach would be > to use the parallax corrected Moon which is more location-sensitive. That > chart is also troubled, although you have to dig a little deeper: > Message: 3 Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:55:50 -0700 Steven Stuckey <shastrakara Re: Mount Pelee Christopher Kevill wrote: > > Here's an old mundane Hindu technique that appears to work fairly well > for > this event. > Hi Chris, Good example. I often forget to look at the New Moon in Pisces. This chart harkens back many ages to ancient cultures that used the first nisan Moon to mark the beginning of the year. I pursued the question of this chart for a while via Indain astrologers and never received a satisfactory answer as to why the New Moon in Pisces. It was Fagan's research on the exaltations that tipped me off as to the chart's true origins. The first thin crescent of the Moon, that became visible on the horizon, just after sunset, in the Spring, marked the beginning of the year (this was called the first nisan I believe). The Moon here, became visible after separating from it's conjunction with the Sun, and moving out of combustion--about 14 degrees. It was this amount of separation between the Sun and Moon that gave Fagan the original idea that the exaltations (at least of the Sun and Moon initially) may have been in fact based on this simple separation (the Sun at 19 Aries and the Moon at 3 Taurus are 14 degrees apart). Back in 786/85 BC, the year Fagan claims the exaltation degrees of all planets arose, the New Moon in the spring was in Aries. Due to precession that occurs at the rate of about 1* every 72 years, this has gradually shifted back into Pisces. If you put this chart up on Solar Maps, you will find the Pluto/Uranus lines cross just north of the West Indies--puttng it much closer to Martinique than Washington. Best, Steve Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:45:42 -0700 Dark Star <pansophia Re: Mount Pelee Bert, Here are two possible reasons for the New Moon in Pisces... 1. Pisces at the end of the cycle has already one leg in the future and its representatives are already half way there, so these *stars* give a natural attraction to the future and are often found in the nati of good predictors. 2. The Hindus translated the Tropical Aries New Moon back into the Sidereal and the borrowing was lost through the passage of time, hastened by their ready predilection to deny owing anything to anyone. The whole world and everything in it was born on the banks of the Ganges, or so they would have you believe. Dark*Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Anny van Berckel wrote: > Hi Steven! Your email about up the Eruption of Mount Pelee on > Martinique and I have got an idea. Lately I was watching a program > about the eruption of the Vesuvius, in Italy (79 BC JC) only there > was no date, Only year 79. Hi Amy, Your post sparked my interest in Mt Vesuvius so I checked into it a bit. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the eruption occured in 0079 AD. The date was August 24, 0079 AD. The first rumblings began sometime in the morning, but from what I could find out, the big event may have happened closer to midnight. Here's a great link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/pompeii_portents_01.shtml Interestingly enough though, Pluto was at 25 Aquarius, so very close by square to Mt Pelee Pluto/Uranus. Something else-- there was a close Mars/Ketu conjunction in Aries, just as in Pelee. A couple more interesting dates on volcanic eruptions: Krakatoa: August 27, 1883 @ 10:02 AM LMT Indonesia 16S42 105E24 Mt. St. Helens: May 18, 1980 @ 8:32 AM PDT 46N12 122W12 Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Hi, An old sidereal collector of earthquake data once gave me: 1:00 PM LMT which presents a grand T-square of Sun-Mercury opposite Uranus square Moon-Jupiter all on angles plus the terrifying Mars-Ketu as mentioned and struck down everyone in their daily activities. Not even one alone escaped to tell. Dark*Star --------------------- Steven Stuckey wrote: Your post sparked my interest in Mt Vesuvius so I checked into it a bit. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the eruption occured in 0079 AD. The date was August 24, 0079 AD. The first rumblings began sometime in the morning, but from what I could find out, the big event may have happened closer to midnight. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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