Earthquake ingresses

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At 12:06 AM 1/19/04 -0000, Bob wrote:

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>RN: Therese, you DO have software to progress solar and lunar returns

>by both the precision and quotidian methods. That's what the programs

>I gave you do.

 

Bob, as you might have guessed, I never tried the programs because I had no

idea what I was supposed to be looking for in progressed charts. So far

transits to ingress charts have worked very well for me. However, the

programs are on my hard drive somewhere. I'm sure I made a special

subdirectory for them. They can be run on my DOS computer, which I need to

start using again anyway. That's where NOVA and PrintWheels are located.

 

But before getting into progressions, I'd like to see just how you apply

them to ingress and quake charts. (More on this below)

 

>When you run the chart data on whatever program you

>use, the planets are automaticaly progressed.

 

Thinking back...this is what threw me-- " When you run the chart data on

whatever program you use... " I use Jyotish software programmed in India.

This seemed to say that your software would somehow tie in with my

(Jyotish) program. No way was I going to try that, because I was afraid my

program might be scrapped.

 

>There is also an

>instruction sheet in the zipfile telling you how to setup and use the

>programs.

 

O.K., I missed that! I've been around so long I'm used to those nice thick

manuals that used to go with software. I forget to check the downloaded

files. Or if I did read that sheet, it was far to brief to be helpful to

me. (My memory fails me here...)

 

>They will not change anything in any programs or attach

>themselves to any program on your computer. They are DOS programs,

>completely independant, very small and very fast.

 

This isn't information I had before. I certainly didn't completely trust my

program, and once it's messsed up, I have to go through hell and high water

to get it installed again--phone for keyword, etc.

 

>RN: As it is in the Fagan-Bradley Libra Ingress. I think the ingress

>charts to be considered should be for the same ingress.

 

The F-B Libra ingress was after the quake, the K Libra ingress was before.

So Matthew ran the Cancer and Capricorn charts instead. However, this

particular quake is a bad one for reserach anyway. The loss of life was

almost nil and damage was small compared to some other very destructive

quakes. So we should scrap Loma Prieta for further discussion purposes.

 

Then we should stay with cardinal ingresses that happen within a month

before a quake, because I use all 12 ingresses and the Fagan-Bradley school

only believes in cardinal ingresses. But lots of quakes happen shortly

after the cardinal ingresses, so that would be no problem.

 

>RN: I reiterate, the ingress charts to be compared should be for the

>same ingress.

 

I agree. That's what I suggested a few days ago. But there was no response.

 

>RN:... for anything to be considered effective in these charts it must be in

>hard aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition only) to an angle and

>be within 2 degrees orb (a time difference of about 4 hours at most,

>not days or months).

 

I also have limited the angle anchored aspects in the ingress charts to

hard aspects, but I add the quincunx because these are so common in ingress

and quake charts. But I keep the orbs small. A sextile or trine may tie

hard aspect patterns together, but I won't use them as major configuations

in quake charts. (Using the quincunx also beings in sextiles and trines.)

 

There is no particular reason to cut out very close trines or the close

quincunx. These are standard aspects from the dawn of horoscopic astrology.

As a matter of fact, the trine was the first 'aspect' from Mesopotamia. But

for quakes, it can't be the major angular aspect. The quincunx--the

inconjunct--is generally very wretched in its effects.

 

>RN: Unless you constrain aspects to the angles to something like 2

>degrees or less. In the K LibSolar Ingress Uranus fits this criteria.

>Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune are 8 or 9 degrees away.

 

What I've done is insist that the primary anchor planet be very close to

the angle it's configured with. But if other planets are in hard aspect to

that planet, I'll include them in the general configuartion. Say that an

ascendant is Aries 3 degrees and Mars is 5 degrees of Libra. That's a 2

degree opposition. But if Saturn is 8 Capricorn, I'll give that a square to

Mars and call it a T-cross anchored on an angle (Mars conjunct the Desc).

 

>> I expect the true answer is to combine the proper ingress chart

>with the best kind of progressions to isolate an exact time for an event.

>

>RN: Progressed lunars do this repeatedly to within minutes or hours.

 

All right, then let's try a few with the K ingress. But you have to explain

exactly which planets are making the hits to which planets in the ingress

chart. I'd like to see the charts. Figures in RAMC somehow don't get to my

brain except that I can see similar numbers. But how do these translate to

the actual chart and the angles? (You didn't reply to my email with those

questions.)

 

>RN: I will respond with progressed lunars for each K ingress.

 

That would be great!! We finally have the scanner working here, so I'll

post some data and a few very basic hand drawn charts with only the angle

configured planets drawn in the charts. You'll want to enter your own data

in your programs.

 

>RN: The K ingress for the Loma Prieta Quake has only Uranus involving

>an angle unless you use orbs of at least 9 degrees.

 

I explained above how I use configuations in relation to the angles. The LP

chart is the weakest quake chart I've seen, probably because the results

weren't serious.

 

This is how I view the K ingress chart (for simplicity I'll use rounded

degrees...):

The MC is 6 Sag; Uranus is 8 Sag. However Uranus receives the square from

Mercury at 14 Virgo (yes, a wider orb than I generally see in quake charts)

and Mercury receives the square from Jupiter at 17 Gemini. (But remember

that I use only a few major aspects.)

 

This, then is a foreground T-cross.

 

Then I'll look at the quake chart, the primary requirement being that there

must be an overlap of stress configuations (as the t-cross above) with the

angles of the chart. The LP quake chart has the same configuation in the

foreground linked to the MC, but Uranus is even further from the MC which

is 2 degrees of Sag. The only change is that the Moon has moved to within a

7 minute orb of squaring Mercury, which is part of the Uranus-MC t-cross.

As I've said, it was the Moon that triggered the quake.

 

Yes, this is a fairly weak quake chart. The odd thing is (and I'm seeing

this often) is that the Uranus-MC ingress contact is closer than in the

actual quake chart. I happened to be living close to Oakland when this

quake happened. It was very quick (though still a scary experience) and the

only damage to our house was that a corner window moved one fourth inch out

of its frame. I don't believe we can compare the LP quake to say, the very

serious Indian, Japanese or Iran quakes.

 

So, yes, let's look at a few comparisons. I'll try to upload a few charts

tomorrow and post the data to the sidereal list.

 

Sincerely,

Therese