Loma Prieta -- Therese

[Guest guest]

[TH] My printer is balking at the tri-wheels so I hand drew the three

Cancer

ingress related charts by hand. I used Cancer because that chart was

closest to the quake date. (For future uploads, maybe it would be

possible

to keep the charts single or bi-wheels?)

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Therese,

The tri-wheel is the most appropriate for looking at the three layers

of ingress, progressions, and

transits. A single or bi-wheel doesn't show the same picture.

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[TH] The aspects related to the angles tend to be the

same--conjunctions, squares, oppositions and the quincunx. Sometimes

there

will be a trine or sextile as a supporting aspect, but that's about

it.

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[MQ] As I've already said, I don't consider either the semi-square or

sesqui-square to be any less

effective than the quincunx. They're part of the hard aspect series

and often bring linkages out of

background positions.

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[TH] Venus isn't involved in the angular stress aspects. Venus is a

planet of

harmony and order and not disruptive like Mars or Uranus.

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[MQ] As I've said before, I've often seen Venus involved in tragic

events, especially when tied

to Saturn, Neptune, Pluto. Points to the grief, the intense emotions

evoked with great loss, with

fear. So I don't discount Venus, especially as the CanSolar Venus was

tied to MO/SA and

MO/NE midpoint pictures. I know you look at midpoints as a " find

whatever you want " in a

chart, but I don't see them that way. They are part of a planet's

conditioning, just as aspects are.

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[TH] I believe this doesn't do anything to help the clarity of a

quake picture.

Venus aspecting an exalted Moon in a sign of Venus isn't exactly what

you'd

expect to see on the angles of a quake ingress.

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[MQ] If I recall correctly, the Loma Prieta quake hit with a huge

crowd of people at Candlestick

Park for a ball game. Social Venus in athletic Scorpio? That's not

inappropriate symbolism at all.

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[TH] Yes, the

Uranus-Moon-Saturn-Neptune conjunction in the CanSolar is evil

looking, but

this conjunction isn't in the foreground and has no anchoring planet

to the

foreground. It merely floats somewhere between the M.C. and the

Ascendant.

(The house location would depend on the house system a person was

using.)

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[MQ] Therese, again this is where we disagree. The configuration may

not be angular, but it does

tie to the ASC through semi-squares, as it ties to the CanSolar

angular Venus through sesqui-

square. It's all part of a picture. It may not fit your way of

looking at a chart, but it fits mine. And

it fits what I've seen in over a decade of working with the F-B Solar

ingresses.

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[TH] If we can't clearly see an impending explosive event in an

ingress chart,

then all I can do is ask of what use are the charts? There is

impressive

consistency in the K monthly ingress charts, but there seems to be an

unwillingness on this list to look at anything that might rock the

traditional boat a little.

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[MQ] That's why I've been trying to get people to look at the

sidereal charts with sidereal eyes

for YEARS. The techniques have tremendous potential, but there needs

to be discussion, trading

of ideas and views in addition to debate and contention.

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[TH] There is nothing wrong with progressions, minor aspects and

midpoints. But

using all these techniques is like a large multi-colored box of

crayons.

Something is going to show up in every chart. There's no way something

impressive looking **couldn't** show up!! The K monthly ingress

charts are

like a child's box of four basic crayons: red, blue, yellow and

green. The

same few bright colors show up in all the charts like bright

splotches in

children's kindergarten pictures.

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[MQ] Therese, you have your own multi-colored box of crayons

navamsas, nakshastras, and

jyotish techniques. We all have them. That's how we take a birth

chart or an ingress or a return

chart and get more than bones from it. I don't think any chart

interpretation is simple. Sure, the

bones are there, the themes get repeated in different ways, but the

subtleties and shadings that

give a clear picture take some work.

 

Sidereally yours,

Matthew