Loma Prieta (Matthew)

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At 08:36 AM 1/19/04 -0000, Matthew wrote:

>Therese,

>The tri-wheel is the most appropriate for looking at the three layers

>of ingress, progressions, and transits. A single or bi-wheel doesn't show

the same picture.

 

Actually I find the tri-wheel very confusing. The main problem is my

printer doesn't like it. How about in addition to the tri-wheel, posting

the progressed and quake charts (bi-wheel) and Ingress/quake chart (also a

bi-wheel). I do care about studying those charts. I can't print out a

tri-wheel without the inner wheel planets blurring together. But the

printer lately refuses to print the charts at all.

 

>[MQ] As I've already said, I don't consider either the semi-square or

>sesqui-square to be any less effective than the quincunx. They're part of

the hard aspect series and often bring linkages out of background positions.

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We disagree on the value of these aspects in quake charts. I believe we

need to *see* the tension aspects, and there's no tension across the chart

with less than 60 degrees. (My personal opinion) All astrologers agree that

the square creates tension, also the opposition. I add the quincunx. These

are the only primary aspects I want to see in quake charts and quake

ingress charts. (Two quincunxes to one planet will create a sextile of

course, the old Tropical " finger of God " configuration!!) Example: A planet

in Aries aspected by planets in Scorpio and Virgo.

 

I'll continue to use my few aspects. You can continue to use additional

aspects. Two different approaches.

 

We also disagree on where Venus (should be) in quake charts. Well, we can

take a look at four significant quake charts. I'll post the data.

 

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>[MQ] If I recall correctly, the Loma Prieta quake hit with a huge

>crowd of people at Candlestick Park for a ball game. Social Venus in

athletic Scorpio? That's not inappropriate symbolism at all.

 

Matthew, you are sounding wholly Tropical here!! I'm talking about aspects

specifically related to the physical quake itself. A jarring, mis-alignment

of the physical plates of the earth. Not Venus! And how would you tell a

marriage chart from a quake chart if you're allowing an angular Venus in

quake ingress charts?? (Yes, the Venus-Moon opposition may complete the

picture for the day, but it's not in the foreground in the quake chart. It

doesn't describe the MAIN event!

 

>[MQ] Therese, again this is where we disagree. The configuration may

>not be angular, but it does tie to the ASC through semi-squares, as it

ties to the CanSolar angular Venus through sesqui-square. It's all part of

a picture.

 

The more you increase the number of aspects, the more chance you have of

all your different types of charts blending together (As a marriage or

quake chart with a Venus aspect to an angle.)

 

The best we can do here is each of us uses our favorite tools and see what

we come up with. We can agree on the charts being studied.

 

>[MQ] That's why I've been trying to get people to look at the sidereal

charts with sidereal eyes for YEARS. The techniques have tremendous

potential, but there needs

>to be discussion, trading of ideas and views in addition to debate and

contention.

 

Right!! And we all know how good astrologers are at communicating with each

other!! Astrology itself may not be ruled by Uranus, but astrologers

themesleves seem to have a good dose of Uranus. Still, we're making a

beginning here, arent' we?

 

>[MQ] Therese, you have your own multi-colored box of crayons navamsas,

nakshastras, and jyotish techniques. We all have them.

 

Matthew, have you seen me use these techniques with the quake charts? I've

stayed very basic with western sidereal techniques, paying great honor to

the angles and major aspects. But thanks for reminding me of the

nakshatras!! I'll have to check them out. (privately) (There have been

extremely close and intersting navamsa contacts, but I'm nont talking about

them on this list.)

 

>That's how we take a birth chart or an ingress or a return

>chart and get more than bones from it. I don't think any chart

>interpretation is simple. Sure, the

>bones are there, the themes get repeated in different ways, but the

>subtleties and shadings that

>give a clear picture take some work.

 

From what I've seen so far, no subtleties or shadings are needed with the K

ingress quake charts. Well, we'll look at a few...

 

Sincerely--thanks for talking!

Therese