Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Dear Patnaik Ji, It is nice to have the Teva of of Lord Rama and discussion on it. If you allow I may give my opinion . My opinion is in bold 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami *Chaitra mas Surya would be in Pisces * 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra *we consider the sun is in mercury nakshatra and moon in the punarvasu .* 3. The lagna is Cancer *Cancer rises in afternoon in chaitra,Sun then will be in 9th house in Pisces. Please confirm whether the birth is of afternoon* 4. Moon is in lagna *Yes it would be. * The following two points are to be discussed. 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be with Moon on a Navami day. * You are right. Possibility of mercury is none. Jupiter is must. From lalKitab perspective this seems to be correct. As his father passed away at the time of his marriage.* 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha(exalted) positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain *Venus is uccha in Pisces- Possibility is there - 1 Jupiter is already Uchha -2 Sun is neither uchha nor in swairashi - Moon in sway rashi -3 **Mercury swarashi/uchha- Kanya is totally ruled out. It can be mithun but it is not possible keeping in view of sun posistion Hence mercury is neither uchha, or in swarashi. -** ** Mars possibility of uchha, swarashi is possible . Hence Mars can either be in 7th house, 10th house or 5th house. - 4 **Saturn Can be uchha or Swarashi --- 5 **It can be in 4th, & 7th or 8th Keeping in view of the Turmoil in his live and nature of the Lord Rama, Saturn might be in 7th house. ** *From the lalkitab Pespective and syptoms *Venus can be in 9th, Uchha rashi but in Mangal Bud posistion. Mangal Bud immediately gave results after the entry of shukra. * 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places can be fixed only by discussion *From Above Moon,Mars, Saturn, Venus & Jupiter are the most fit case to be considered.* 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. *From the above we can make the teva of Lord Rama As Khana No planet **1- Moon, Jupiter 2,3,4,6,11,12- Vacant 5- Mars **7- Saturn & Mars 8- Mercury 9 - Sun, Mercury Venus **10- Mercury & Mars *Please correct if any error in above* *Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj* * On 11/4/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am > giving below the slokas connected with > the birth : > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; > R^ituuNaam > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > 3. The lagna is Cancer > 4. Moon is in lagna > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be > with Moon on a Navami day. > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or > uccha(exalted) > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places > can be fixed only by discussion > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a > navami > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from > all of you. > > with best regards, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 dear Sir, Few things are/can to be discussed on this. i) Moon and Jupier cannot be in one house, reason in lal kitab it says " daba hua dhan " , if person with these type of combination use silver plates or spoon will be blessed with daba hua dhan where as sri ram was already blessed with every thing by birth. ii) Secondly the book says the best panchayat (combination of 5 stars in one house) is that where budh is not place, But in this horo the budh should be placed in this combination. Placement of Ketu in this panchayat can also be thought of. iii) The time of last phase(4-5 years) of sri ram's vanwasa should be of end of ketu mahadasha and start of shukra mahadasha. As lots of travel indicates that only. And first phase of shukra mahadash (3years of shukra maha dasha and shukra antradasha) is the time when they return to ayodhaya and vanawas of Maa sita. The joy of rajyoga without wife is the indication govern by panchayat's three planet Shukra/moon/mars. regars, sleekhas lalkitab , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking at the horoscope of Sri Rama for the past few days. I am > giving below the slokas connected with > the birth : > > tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH | > tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8 > nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu | > graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9 > prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam | > kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10 > viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam | > lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11 > > 8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam > SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe > maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month > [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day > [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha > samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe > lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord > [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising � > ascending, advancing daytime � abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; > jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, > worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; > viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= > greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; > lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= > roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= > the son; ajanayat= gave birth. > > > if you carefully look at this, the following are clear: > > 1. The birth occured in chaitra masa on the tithi of Navami > 2. The birth occured in Punarvasu nakshatra > 3. The lagna is Cancer > 4. Moon is in lagna > > The following two points are to be discussed. > > 1. here, the planet with which moon is there is said to be vakpati. Is it > Mercury or Jupiter? Obviously, he is Jupiter since Mercury could not be > with Moon on a Navami day. > > 2. The five planets mentioned here are either in swa (own) or uccha (exalted) > positions. It should not be taken that there are five planets which are in > exaltation, which seems to be popular refrain > > 3. These five planets are Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. While the > sloka fixes the places of Moon and Jupiter, the other three planets places > can be fixed only by discussion > > 4. Clearly, Sun can not be in exaltation when Moon is in cancer on a navami > day. The distance between moon and sun should be more than 108 degrees. > hence, the place of sun also can be fixed to pisces. Thus, the place of > mercury is to be bound by three rasis- aqua, pisces or aries. > > > Hence, I would post my reasoning of planetary positions after hearing from > all of you. > > with best regards, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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