Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 At 07:00 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Steve wrote: >Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do >with sex? In the sidereal zodiac Scorpio isn't a 'water' sign. It's the natural sign on the 8th house, however, which rules the genitals, so Scorpio emphasis and/or 8th house emphais may have something to do with sex and/or vitality, that is, the life energy. An afflicted 8th can mean death--the life energy is turned off. The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements >out there and one the most secretive. How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is that it's Uranus that is the psychic.) There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of course Pluto gets closely involved. Libra can be reticent because it's the exaltation sign of Saturn. In the old astrology Saturn was the ruler of the occult. Also Rahu's mansion in Libra can have to do with the occult. It's certainly astrological. >I think >the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one >sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. >This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal >experience. No, I don't generally use subjective experience. I use the Rodden AstroDatabank. There are examples in the Lost Zodiac files, Part 3. >If he [husband] were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. Yes, he's generally right. However....as a firm Democrat, he convinced me Gore would win in 2000, although initially I was sure GW would be our next president. >Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different >charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a >creative principle. I think that probably Neptune aspecting the ascendant is more traditionally Neptunian. This was the astrological signature that Marcello Borges found in astrologer's charts. >Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts >leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and >Venus is a social entity. Venus is far more social in Taurus than in Libra. Like I said, I don't generally look to personal experience. I use ADB for examples. >Your Libra planets for instance may be in >strong relation to Saturn, No relationship between Venus and Saturn. >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the female energy pervades nature. Blessings, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 I'm smiling here The late great Buz myers used to smile and remind his students that the claws of Scorpio lie in Libra. He believed that Libra was able to manipulate. just thought I'd toss it into the pot. I personally think that how we see a constellation is based upon our experience. I'm certain that my experience is colored by 11 years as an astrologer in Dallas. Here Rahu is alive and well and on his way to the mall. c Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:09 PM Re: Libra/Scorpio At 07:00 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Steve wrote: >Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do >with sex? In the sidereal zodiac Scorpio isn't a 'water' sign. It's the natural sign on the 8th house, however, which rules the genitals, so Scorpio emphasis and/or 8th house emphais may have something to do with sex and/or vitality, that is, the life energy. An afflicted 8th can mean death--the life energy is turned off. The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements >out there and one the most secretive. How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is that it's Uranus that is the psychic.) There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of course Pluto gets closely involved. Libra can be reticent because it's the exaltation sign of Saturn. In the old astrology Saturn was the ruler of the occult. Also Rahu's mansion in Libra can have to do with the occult. It's certainly astrological. >I think >the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one >sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. >This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal >experience. No, I don't generally use subjective experience. I use the Rodden AstroDatabank. There are examples in the Lost Zodiac files, Part 3. >If he [husband] were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. Yes, he's generally right. However....as a firm Democrat, he convinced me Gore would win in 2000, although initially I was sure GW would be our next president. >Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different >charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a >creative principle. I think that probably Neptune aspecting the ascendant is more traditionally Neptunian. This was the astrological signature that Marcello Borges found in astrologer's charts. >Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts >leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and >Venus is a social entity. Venus is far more social in Taurus than in Libra. Like I said, I don't generally look to personal experience. I use ADB for examples. >Your Libra planets for instance may be in >strong relation to Saturn, No relationship between Venus and Saturn. >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the female energy pervades nature. Blessings, Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Theresa: According to Fagan, Scorpio ruled the throat area. In the Egyptian system, the scorpion goddess was " She who relived the Windpipe. It is Taurus that rules the genital. That is the natural order of body ruler-ships.Mallitheasea. Sidereally, Bert Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " _ - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:09 PM Re: Libra/Scorpio > At 07:00 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Steve wrote: > > >Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do > >with sex? > > In the sidereal zodiac Scorpio isn't a 'water' sign. It's the natural sign > on the 8th house, however, which rules the genitals, so Scorpio emphasis > and/or 8th house emphais may have something to do with sex and/or vitality, > that is, the life energy. An afflicted 8th can mean death--the life energy > is turned off. > > The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements > >out there and one the most secretive. > > How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is that it's Uranus that > is the psychic.) > > There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of > course Pluto gets closely involved. > > Libra can be reticent because it's the exaltation sign of Saturn. In the > old astrology Saturn was the ruler of the occult. Also Rahu's mansion in > Libra can have to do with the occult. It's certainly astrological. > > >I think > >the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one > >sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. > >This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal > >experience. > > No, I don't generally use subjective experience. I use the Rodden > AstroDatabank. There are examples in the Lost Zodiac files, Part 3. > > >If he [husband] were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. > > Yes, he's generally right. However....as a firm Democrat, he convinced me > Gore would win in 2000, although initially I was sure GW would be our next > president. > > >Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different > >charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a > >creative principle. > > I think that probably Neptune aspecting the ascendant is more traditionally > Neptunian. This was the astrological signature that Marcello Borges found > in astrologer's charts. > > >Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts > >leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and > >Venus is a social entity. > > Venus is far more social in Taurus than in Libra. Like I said, I don't > generally look to personal experience. I use ADB for examples. > > >Your Libra planets for instance may be in > >strong relation to Saturn, > > No relationship between Venus and Saturn. > > >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have > >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the > female energy pervades nature. > > Blessings, > Therese > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Theresa: According to Fagan, Scorpio ruled the throat area. In the Egyptian system, the scorpion goddess was " She who relived the Windpipe. It is Taurus that rules the genital. That is the natural order of body ruler-ships.Mallitheasea. Sidereally, Bert Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " _ - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:09 PM Re: Libra/Scorpio > At 07:00 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Steve wrote: > > >Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do > >with sex? > > In the sidereal zodiac Scorpio isn't a 'water' sign. It's the natural sign > on the 8th house, however, which rules the genitals, so Scorpio emphasis > and/or 8th house emphais may have something to do with sex and/or vitality, > that is, the life energy. An afflicted 8th can mean death--the life energy > is turned off. > > The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements > >out there and one the most secretive. > > How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is that it's Uranus that > is the psychic.) > > There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of > course Pluto gets closely involved. > > Libra can be reticent because it's the exaltation sign of Saturn. In the > old astrology Saturn was the ruler of the occult. Also Rahu's mansion in > Libra can have to do with the occult. It's certainly astrological. > > >I think > >the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one > >sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. > >This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal > >experience. > > No, I don't generally use subjective experience. I use the Rodden > AstroDatabank. There are examples in the Lost Zodiac files, Part 3. > > >If he [husband] were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. > > Yes, he's generally right. However....as a firm Democrat, he convinced me > Gore would win in 2000, although initially I was sure GW would be our next > president. > > >Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different > >charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a > >creative principle. > > I think that probably Neptune aspecting the ascendant is more traditionally > Neptunian. This was the astrological signature that Marcello Borges found > in astrologer's charts. > > >Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts > >leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and > >Venus is a social entity. > > Venus is far more social in Taurus than in Libra. Like I said, I don't > generally look to personal experience. I use ADB for examples. > > >Your Libra planets for instance may be in > >strong relation to Saturn, > > No relationship between Venus and Saturn. > > >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have > >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the > female energy pervades nature. > > Blessings, > Therese > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 I have no idea why this posted three time. I only wrote one post and posted it once. Sorry for the clutter. Bert Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " ------------------- - " Bert Fannin " <bwfannin Cc: " Ken Bruce Bowser " <k.b.bowser; " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal Monday, July 12, 2004 1:54 AM Re: Re: Libra/Scorpio > Theresa: > According to Fagan, Scorpio ruled the throat area. In the Egyptian > system, the scorpion goddess was " She who relived the Windpipe. It is Taurus > that rules the genital. That is the natural order of body > ruler-ships.Mallitheasea. > > Sidereally, > Bert > > Bert W. Fannin > Western Sidereal Astrologer > Location and Timing Astrology > ltastrology > www.ltastrology.com > " Where you should be and when you should be there. " > > > _ > > - > " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest > > Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:09 PM > Re: Libra/Scorpio > > > > At 07:00 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Steve wrote: > > > > >Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do > > >with sex? > > > > In the sidereal zodiac Scorpio isn't a 'water' sign. It's the natural sign > > on the 8th house, however, which rules the genitals, so Scorpio emphasis > > and/or 8th house emphais may have something to do with sex and/or > vitality, > > that is, the life energy. An afflicted 8th can mean death--the life energy > > is turned off. > > > > The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements > > >out there and one the most secretive. > > > > How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is that it's Uranus that > > is the psychic.) > > > > There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of > > course Pluto gets closely involved. > > > > Libra can be reticent because it's the exaltation sign of Saturn. In the > > old astrology Saturn was the ruler of the occult. Also Rahu's mansion in > > Libra can have to do with the occult. It's certainly astrological. > > > > >I think > > >the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one > > >sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. > > >This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal > > >experience. > > > > No, I don't generally use subjective experience. I use the Rodden > > AstroDatabank. There are examples in the Lost Zodiac files, Part 3. > > > > >If he [husband] were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. > > > > Yes, he's generally right. However....as a firm Democrat, he convinced me > > Gore would win in 2000, although initially I was sure GW would be our next > > president. > > > > >Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different > > >charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a > > >creative principle. > > > > I think that probably Neptune aspecting the ascendant is more > traditionally > > Neptunian. This was the astrological signature that Marcello Borges found > > in astrologer's charts. > > > > >Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts > > >leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and > > >Venus is a social entity. > > > > Venus is far more social in Taurus than in Libra. Like I said, I don't > > generally look to personal experience. I use ADB for examples. > > > > >Your Libra planets for instance may be in > > >strong relation to Saturn, > > > > No relationship between Venus and Saturn. > > > > >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have > > >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > > > Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the > > female energy pervades nature. > > > > Blessings, > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 > > Steve wrote: The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic > placements..... > > Therese wrote: How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is > that it's Uranus that > is the psychic.) Psychic abilities in my experience are a product of Moon, Neptune and Node, either singly or together. Often these planets are close to angles, aspecting angles or in angular houses.The 'water' element also produces psychics i.e. Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. There are other placements also, one of them being the Aquariun Moon. Uranus is not a 'psychic' planet --- in my experience. In the Rodden database, in the combined categories of psychic, medium, spiritualist, prophecy and divination there are 196 charts in the AA to B category of birth data (from birth certificate to biography). A simple tabulation shows Moon in Scorpio as occuring most often (in 24 of the charts). Sun is Pisces occurs most often (in 24 of the charts). Moon is highest in the water signs (occuring in 61 charts) and Sun is highest in water signs (occuring in 55 of the charts). All points together from Moon to Mars and Asc/MC show the water signs are highest. Taking all points together, Moon to Mars and Asc/Mc: highest total appears in Scorpio and next highest in Cancer. Looking at aspects in the 196 charts-- the 6th harmonic aspects, including conjunction, sextile, trine and opposition and giving a 3* orb to all: in Moons aspects to all points Sun to Pluto, Nodes and Asc/MC--Moon to MC is highest. > Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 At 06:09 PM 7/12/04 -0700, Chris wrote: >Thanks Steve. > >Nice to have these facts at your fingertips. Although nothing is >conclusive, it's definitely a far sight better than the competitive >assertions game based on everyone's experience. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I second it. Thanks! At least until I have time to look at those charts.... T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Thanks Steve. Nice to have these facts at your fingertips. Although nothing is conclusive, it's definitely a far sight better than the competitive assertions game based on everyone's experience. Chris - " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara Monday, July 12, 2004 1:05 PM Re: Re: Libra/Scorpio > > > > > > Steve wrote: The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic > > placements..... > > > > Therese wrote: How about giving us a few examples?? (My opinion is > > that it's Uranus that > > is the psychic.) > > Psychic abilities in my experience are a product of Moon, Neptune and > Node, either singly or together. Often these planets are close to > angles, aspecting angles or in angular houses.The 'water' element also > produces psychics i.e. Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. There are other > placements also, one of them being the Aquariun Moon. > > Uranus is not a 'psychic' planet --- in my experience. > > > In the Rodden database, in the combined categories of psychic, medium, > spiritualist, prophecy and divination there are 196 charts in the AA to > B category of birth data (from birth certificate to biography). > > A simple tabulation shows Moon in Scorpio as occuring most often (in 24 > of the charts). Sun is Pisces occurs most often (in 24 of the charts). > > Moon is highest in the water signs (occuring in 61 charts) and Sun is > highest in water signs (occuring in 55 of the charts). > All points together from Moon to Mars and Asc/MC show the water signs > are highest. > > Taking all points together, Moon to Mars and Asc/Mc: highest total > appears in Scorpio and next highest in Cancer. > > Looking at aspects in the 196 charts-- the 6th harmonic aspects, > including conjunction, sextile, trine and opposition and giving a 3* orb > to all: in Moons aspects to all points Sun to Pluto, Nodes and > Asc/MC--Moon to MC is highest. > > > > > Best, > > Steve > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 According to Fagan, Bert. I go with the standard mallitheasea. Best, Therese At 01:54 AM 7/12/04 -0700, you wrote: >Theresa: > According to Fagan, Scorpio ruled the throat area. In the Egyptian >system, the scorpion goddess was " She who relived the Windpipe. It is Taurus >that rules the genital. That is the natural order of body >ruler-ships.Mallitheasea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Steve, I've seen a lot of Goddess worshipers. While the few men are gentle usually gay the women tend toward clipped boyish masculine (but not army boots) with the very feminine turning out to be on watching closely, the girl friends of the masculine ones. I once attended a large Goddess gathering that was a birthday party for anthropologist Marija Gimbutas who gave me her birth data and her blessings. Dark*Star ----------------------- > Steve wrote: > --------------- > I must wonder...then surely in minor aspect? > Therese wrote: > No relationship between Venus and Saturn. > ---------------- > >My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have > >strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > Interesting, but I don't worship the goddess, but I do believe that the > female energy pervades nature. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Yes, and that is why astrology = Moon (psychic) + Mercury (calculation). Nothing more elemental can be said on the subject. Dark*Star ----------------------- Steven Stuckey wrote: > > > > Steve wrote: The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic > > placements..... > > Psychic abilities in my experience are a product of Moon, Neptune and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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