Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > >Sexually active ok, not necessarily athletic and very seldom > >transparent, extroverted, or grounded. Scorpio is a water sign, it's > >subtle and mystical. > > In the Tropical zodiac this is correct. Not in the sidereal. Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do with sex? The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements out there and one the most secretive. There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of course Pluto gets closely involved. > Are you > getting your zodiacs mixed up?? It appears to me that someone is getting the zodiacs mixed up. I think the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal experience. > Sidereal Scorpio mystical??? No way! My > husband has Moon-Jupiter on a Scorpio ascendant. He loves to be out > and > about, joining groups, socializing, taking long hikes on the mountain > here. > Belongs to a church, too. Probably owing to an angular Jupiter--but certainly a good combination for deep religious experience and spiritual intelligence as lords of 5 and 9 converge in the ascendant. This combination by itself would generally produce a wise person with spiritual intelligence. If he were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. > > > >Aries has always jived more with competition and athletics than > Scorpio > >(to me). > > You must have started out in astrology as a Tropoical astrologer?? For a very short time.... > > > > Scorpio is also ruled by Pluto. Scorpions, like Plutonians have > >secrets and need their privacy. > > Not in the sidereal....Pluto co-rules Aries. Pluto ruling Aries is only one theory, and one to which I certainly don't . Strong angular Plutos are nothing like Arians as I know them--and I have known plenty of both. > >Neptune at the MC is a fish out of water in the practical > world--there's > >always a certain amount of escapism that goes with this placement. > > I'm not sure about that. My brother's wife has Neptune at the M.C. and > > she's been a manager of medical organizations all her life. Kerry's > Neptune > gives him a sense of the spiritual, but doesn't make him impractical. Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a creative principle. > > Mars-Moon will give him a practical grounding. Not exactly in my book--Moon/Mars just keeps him busy in a manic sort of way--Saturn provides the grounding. > > > >I don't think we are going to even be close on this one--Libra, ruled > by > >the socialite Venus, is one of the most social and relationship > oriented > >signs in the zodiac. > > My dear Steve--I have Sun and Moon in sidereal Libra, and all my life > I've > been a hermit type. Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and Venus is a social entity. Your Libra planets for instance may be in strong relation to Saturn, as perhaps your lagna lord is also. Or perhaps Sun and Moon are in strong relationship to Pluto--the real hermit of the zodiac. > Long time married, however, so I had someone to mediate > between the world and myself. That includes grocery shopping and > earning > most of the money. Very mystical--yes. I stay home, meditate, read, > write, > work in the garden and research astrology. My main life orientation is > God > (or Goddess) centered. My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > > Sidereal Scorpio is a joiner of groups, sports teams, political > parties, > whatever... You might want to ask Bob Dylan, Marlon Brando and perhaps Ted Bundy about that....:>)) > > > I see that I'd better get the rest of my zodiac sign articles posted. > The > zodiac sign mixup is totally out of control. Yes it appears to be........ > > > Very surprised I am, Steve, at your interpretation of the sidereal > signs. It has served me and many fellow siderealist, teachers, clients and friends quite well for many years now---very sad to find out I've had it all bass ackwards for so long. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Based on the people I've known with heavy placements in Scorpio, I'd have to agree with Therese. They are usually extroverted, active, restless and not in the least subtle. If Mercury is there, they can be brusque and tactless. I'm not basing this on anything theoretical or what I've read, but only on my own observations. And I don't see Venus as social, except that it has to do with one on one relationships. A strong Venus often indicates shyness. Mars is much more social, in the sense that it likes to be with groups. Mars/Scorpio/8th house have to do with group energy. .... Bettina Steven Stuckey [shastrakara] Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:00 PM Re: Re: Kerry and Scorpio Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > >Sexually active ok, not necessarily athletic and very seldom > >transparent, extroverted, or grounded. Scorpio is a water sign, it's > >subtle and mystical. > > In the Tropical zodiac this is correct. Not in the sidereal. Are you saying that Scorpio is not a water sign and has nothing to do with sex? The angular Scorpio Moon is one of the most psychic placements out there and one the most secretive. There is nothing secretive or diabolical at all about Libra, unless of course Pluto gets closely involved. > Are you > getting your zodiacs mixed up?? It appears to me that someone is getting the zodiacs mixed up. I think the idea of moving so called tropical descriptions of signs back one sign in sidereal does not work--at least it doesn't work for me. This seems to be a very subjective area--based on your own personal experience. > Sidereal Scorpio mystical??? No way! My > husband has Moon-Jupiter on a Scorpio ascendant. He loves to be out > and > about, joining groups, socializing, taking long hikes on the mountain > here. > Belongs to a church, too. Probably owing to an angular Jupiter--but certainly a good combination for deep religious experience and spiritual intelligence as lords of 5 and 9 converge in the ascendant. This combination by itself would generally produce a wise person with spiritual intelligence. If he were advising me, I would take his advice seriously. > > > >Aries has always jived more with competition and athletics than > Scorpio > >(to me). > > You must have started out in astrology as a Tropoical astrologer?? For a very short time.... > > > > Scorpio is also ruled by Pluto. Scorpions, like Plutonians have > >secrets and need their privacy. > > Not in the sidereal....Pluto co-rules Aries. Pluto ruling Aries is only one theory, and one to which I certainly don't . Strong angular Plutos are nothing like Arians as I know them--and I have known plenty of both. > >Neptune at the MC is a fish out of water in the practical > world--there's > >always a certain amount of escapism that goes with this placement. > > I'm not sure about that. My brother's wife has Neptune at the M.C. and > > she's been a manager of medical organizations all her life. Kerry's > Neptune > gives him a sense of the spiritual, but doesn't make him impractical. Neptune at the MC of course can mean different things for different charts--if requisite grounding is there, it can naturally bring out a creative principle. > > Mars-Moon will give him a practical grounding. Not exactly in my book--Moon/Mars just keeps him busy in a manic sort of way--Saturn provides the grounding. > > > >I don't think we are going to even be close on this one--Libra, ruled > by > >the socialite Venus, is one of the most social and relationship > oriented > >signs in the zodiac. > > My dear Steve--I have Sun and Moon in sidereal Libra, and all my life > I've > been a hermit type. Every chart is an individial unto itself--my experience with many charts leads me in the direction that Libra is a Venusian constellation and Venus is a social entity. Your Libra planets for instance may be in strong relation to Saturn, as perhaps your lagna lord is also. Or perhaps Sun and Moon are in strong relationship to Pluto--the real hermit of the zodiac. > Long time married, however, so I had someone to mediate > between the world and myself. That includes grocery shopping and > earning > most of the money. Very mystical--yes. I stay home, meditate, read, > write, > work in the garden and research astrology. My main life orientation is > God > (or Goddess) centered. My experience with women who worship the Goddess, is that they have strong placements like Libra, Aries and Sag. > > > Sidereal Scorpio is a joiner of groups, sports teams, political > parties, > whatever... You might want to ask Bob Dylan, Marlon Brando and perhaps Ted Bundy about that....:>)) > > > I see that I'd better get the rest of my zodiac sign articles posted. > The > zodiac sign mixup is totally out of control. Yes it appears to be........ > > > Very surprised I am, Steve, at your interpretation of the sidereal > signs. It has served me and many fellow siderealist, teachers, clients and friends quite well for many years now---very sad to find out I've had it all bass ackwards for so long. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Bettina wrote: > > > And I don't see Venus as social, except that it has to do with one on > one > relationships. A strong Venus often indicates shyness. Mars is much > more > social, in the sense that it likes to be with groups. > Mars/Scorpio/8th > house have to do with group energy. Hi Bettina, Venus is a fine wine at an art show, and Mars is a beer at a football game. Mars is social because he is bold and his brazen attitude can take him anywhere--like spring break in Miami. " Right on dude, let's party " .... Venus has esthetic tastes, likes fine clothing and jewelry, and wants flowers at table. She won't be going to the bar with the boys..... So if she is shy, then something is not quite refined enough for her more delicate disposition..... Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Bettina, I'm happy that your observations agree with mine! Women--we're the true observers of the human species. T. At 07:45 PM 7/10/04 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Based on the people I've known with heavy placements in Scorpio, I'd have to >agree with Therese. They are usually extroverted, active, restless and not >in the least subtle. If Mercury is there, they can be brusque and tactless. >I'm not basing this on anything theoretical or what I've read, but only on >my own observations. > >And I don't see Venus as social, except that it has to do with one on one >relationships. A strong Venus often indicates shyness. Mars is much more >social, in the sense that it likes to be with groups. Mars/Scorpio/8th >house have to do with group energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 ....who share the planet with the other half of true observers of the human species M E N................... Therese Hamilton wrote: > Bettina, I'm happy that your observations agree with mine! Women--we're the > true observers of the human species. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Dear Therese I always attributed my shyness to the Venus in the 3rd...being rather weak. Mine in Revati is pretty shy and really very content being shy. (on line you see my Mercury Mars) But I will cook for you. smiles c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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