RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

[Guest guest]

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the will of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare. I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted " and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question to

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the people as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or angry as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter. Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who loses is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the will of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare. I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted " and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question to

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the people as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or angry as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter. Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who loses is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oops. I meant " anybody's guess "

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 11:14 AM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the will of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare. I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted " and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question to

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the people as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or angry as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter. Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who loses is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is always the XIIth trump of the Major Arcana

which Il Duce made popular for a very brief spell in the middle 1940s.

 

Dark*Star

 

--------------------

cynthianovak wrote:

 

> but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

> inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter. Looks

> pretty lucky to me!

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track. Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different, I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare. I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Though his intelligence is normal, he always had tremendous difficulty in

school, mostly an ADDish thing, but not hyperactive. He has a hard time with

concentration and understanding directions. He feels overwhelmed easily and

deals with it by retreating into himself. He's very low energy, both

physically and mentally. He doesn't mess with drugs or alcohol, except for

an occassional beer, so that's not the problem. He's also shy and has a

hard time making friends. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. He's never had

anything but low paying jobs.

 

On the positive side, he's verbal, witty, has a great sense of humor, and

has a gift for cooking. He's pretty insightful and perceptive. He's very

honest and has good morals, but not in a goody-two-shoes way.

 

He's interested in starting a business on the internet, selling novelty

items, tee shirts and such.

 

He tends to not follow through with what he starts.

 

I think part of the problem is his angular Saturn/Moon square, not just kala

sarpa.

 

Thanks for your interest!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track. Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different, I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare. I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Bettina

Saturn is often a late bloomer. I know I was! HAs he had his SAturn return

yet? Sometimes a low-paying job is a big motivator. I will tell you that I

had them, although I had degrees. At age 35 I changed dashas just as SAturn

came of age and I started to bloom.

 

I've seen KSY follow something for a while then lose interest. When

something ultimately grabs them it is very different. THey often have huge

turnabouts in their lives. Some of the stories are truly amazing. Of

course, the hard thing is to watch SAturn come of age when you love someone

with a tough SAturn placement. Does he have any planets in mrigashira?

I've seen several buyers with planets there...hunting takes many forms

 

I wish him luck

c

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 4:08 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Though his intelligence is normal, he always had tremendous difficulty in

school, mostly an ADDish thing, but not hyperactive. He has a hard time

with

concentration and understanding directions. He feels overwhelmed easily

and

deals with it by retreating into himself. He's very low energy, both

physically and mentally. He doesn't mess with drugs or alcohol, except

for

an occassional beer, so that's not the problem. He's also shy and has a

hard time making friends. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. He's never had

anything but low paying jobs.

 

On the positive side, he's verbal, witty, has a great sense of humor, and

has a gift for cooking. He's pretty insightful and perceptive. He's very

honest and has good morals, but not in a goody-two-shoes way.

 

He's interested in starting a business on the internet, selling novelty

items, tee shirts and such.

 

He tends to not follow through with what he starts.

 

I think part of the problem is his angular Saturn/Moon square, not just

kala

sarpa.

 

Thanks for your interest!

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very

successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track.

Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are

between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different, I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons

has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in

this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the

will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the

nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he

would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and

began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare.

I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he

didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well

SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer

and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question

t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so

rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the

people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or

angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still

don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for

the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then

lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who

loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia ...

 

 

I was going to give you his BD but forgot. It's Aug. 17, 1967 / 6:06 Am /

Walnut Creek, CA. He's almost due for his Saturn Return. Yes, I think for

people with Saturn ang, that's a big time! I have it 2 degs. from asc. and

it was for me. Where's yours?

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:08 PM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

Saturn is often a late bloomer. I know I was! HAs he had his SAturn return

yet? Sometimes a low-paying job is a big motivator. I will tell you that I

had them, although I had degrees. At age 35 I changed dashas just as SAturn

came of age and I started to bloom.

 

I've seen KSY follow something for a while then lose interest. When

something ultimately grabs them it is very different. THey often have huge

turnabouts in their lives. Some of the stories are truly amazing. Of

course, the hard thing is to watch SAturn come of age when you love someone

with a tough SAturn placement. Does he have any planets in mrigashira?

I've seen several buyers with planets there...hunting takes many forms

 

I wish him luck

c

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 4:08 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Though his intelligence is normal, he always had tremendous difficulty in

school, mostly an ADDish thing, but not hyperactive. He has a hard time

with

concentration and understanding directions. He feels overwhelmed easily

and

deals with it by retreating into himself. He's very low energy, both

physically and mentally. He doesn't mess with drugs or alcohol, except

for

an occassional beer, so that's not the problem. He's also shy and has a

hard time making friends. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. He's never had

anything but low paying jobs.

 

On the positive side, he's verbal, witty, has a great sense of humor, and

has a gift for cooking. He's pretty insightful and perceptive. He's very

honest and has good morals, but not in a goody-two-shoes way.

 

He's interested in starting a business on the internet, selling novelty

items, tee shirts and such.

 

He tends to not follow through with what he starts.

 

I think part of the problem is his angular Saturn/Moon square, not just

kala

sarpa.

 

Thanks for your interest!

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very

successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track.

Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are

between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different, I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons

has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in

this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the

will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the

nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he

would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and

began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare.

I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he

didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well

SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer

and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question

t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so

rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the

people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or

angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still

don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for

the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then

lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who

loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mine's in the 10th in the Vedic chart, fortunately in Libra...not very close

to the MC though.

 

I'll look at his chart tomorrow

 

Thanks for sharing his infor

c

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:31 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Cynthia ...

 

 

I was going to give you his BD but forgot. It's Aug. 17, 1967 / 6:06 Am /

Walnut Creek, CA. He's almost due for his Saturn Return. Yes, I think

for

people with Saturn ang, that's a big time! I have it 2 degs. from asc. and

it was for me. Where's yours?

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:08 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

Saturn is often a late bloomer. I know I was! HAs he had his SAturn

return

yet? Sometimes a low-paying job is a big motivator. I will tell you that

I

had them, although I had degrees. At age 35 I changed dashas just as

SAturn

came of age and I started to bloom.

 

I've seen KSY follow something for a while then lose interest. When

something ultimately grabs them it is very different. THey often have

huge

turnabouts in their lives. Some of the stories are truly amazing. Of

course, the hard thing is to watch SAturn come of age when you love

someone

with a tough SAturn placement. Does he have any planets in mrigashira?

I've seen several buyers with planets there...hunting takes many forms

 

I wish him luck

c

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 4:08 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Though his intelligence is normal, he always had tremendous difficulty

in

school, mostly an ADDish thing, but not hyperactive. He has a hard time

with

concentration and understanding directions. He feels overwhelmed easily

and

deals with it by retreating into himself. He's very low energy, both

physically and mentally. He doesn't mess with drugs or alcohol, except

for

an occassional beer, so that's not the problem. He's also shy and has a

hard time making friends. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. He's never had

anything but low paying jobs.

 

On the positive side, he's verbal, witty, has a great sense of humor,

and

has a gift for cooking. He's pretty insightful and perceptive. He's

very

honest and has good morals, but not in a goody-two-shoes way.

 

He's interested in starting a business on the internet, selling novelty

items, tee shirts and such.

 

He tends to not follow through with what he starts.

 

I think part of the problem is his angular Saturn/Moon square, not just

kala

sarpa.

 

Thanks for your interest!

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very

successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen

these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is

a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or

alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track.

Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are

between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different,

I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons

has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in

this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some

people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes

for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the

will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the

nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he

would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and

began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon,

Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might

run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare.

I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he

caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the

big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he

didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well

SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For

a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer

and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they

" wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now,

how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger

question

t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so

rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the

people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is

a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back

in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close

as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or

angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still

don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for

the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then

lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who

loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Cynthia!!!

 

 

I made a boo-boo. It's not 1967, it's 1976. My oldest was born in 1967.

Sorry!

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:31 PM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Cynthia ...

 

 

I was going to give you his BD but forgot. It's Aug. 17, 1967 / 6:06 Am /

Walnut Creek, CA. He's almost due for his Saturn Return. Yes, I think for

people with Saturn ang, that's a big time! I have it 2 degs. from asc. and

it was for me. Where's yours?

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:08 PM

 

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

Saturn is often a late bloomer. I know I was! HAs he had his SAturn return

yet? Sometimes a low-paying job is a big motivator. I will tell you that I

had them, although I had degrees. At age 35 I changed dashas just as SAturn

came of age and I started to bloom.

 

I've seen KSY follow something for a while then lose interest. When

something ultimately grabs them it is very different. THey often have huge

turnabouts in their lives. Some of the stories are truly amazing. Of

course, the hard thing is to watch SAturn come of age when you love someone

with a tough SAturn placement. Does he have any planets in mrigashira?

I've seen several buyers with planets there...hunting takes many forms

 

I wish him luck

c

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 4:08 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Though his intelligence is normal, he always had tremendous difficulty in

school, mostly an ADDish thing, but not hyperactive. He has a hard time

with

concentration and understanding directions. He feels overwhelmed easily

and

deals with it by retreating into himself. He's very low energy, both

physically and mentally. He doesn't mess with drugs or alcohol, except

for

an occassional beer, so that's not the problem. He's also shy and has a

hard time making friends. I'm pretty sure he's depressed. He's never had

anything but low paying jobs.

 

On the positive side, he's verbal, witty, has a great sense of humor, and

has a gift for cooking. He's pretty insightful and perceptive. He's very

honest and has good morals, but not in a goody-two-shoes way.

 

He's interested in starting a business on the internet, selling novelty

items, tee shirts and such.

 

He tends to not follow through with what he starts.

 

I think part of the problem is his angular Saturn/Moon square, not just

kala

sarpa.

 

Thanks for your interest!

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear Bettina

What exactly is his difficulty? I've seen a lot of folks be very

successful

with this, but the trick is to be at peace. That usually means that you

find a calling or purpose that in some way is of service. I've seen these

folks focus on a financial goal and perservere intensely. There are no

oppositions, so it is often difficult for them to see another's point of

view. Very simplistic, I know, but that does seem to be a pattern. They

succeed when they can see something greater than self.

 

I read those descriptions too. Then they started coming in and I saw

wonderful and often successful people. Often, a transit to the nodes is a

trigger. If the person is really lost in self, like on drugs or alcohol,

they might have a big event to shake them up and get them on track.

Often,

there is help waiting.

 

What is your son's birth data....if you don't mind.

 

BTW, I have not seen them work significantly differently if they are

between

NN and SN or SN and NN. I know, they are supposed to be very different, I

just haven't seen it.

 

c

Bettina [chiria]

Friday, July 09, 2004 1:14 PM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Cynthia ...

 

 

Yes, W does have Jupiter on Moon at that time, but Kerry has it trine

Moon!

So, anybodies guess.

 

Could you tell me a little more about what you've observed about kala

sarpa?

That's when all plantets are contained withing nodes? One of my sons

has

that, and he has had a very difficult time getting off the ground in

this

life. Light on Life makes it sound absolutely dreadful, but some people

must do all right with it.

 

 

... Bettina

 

 

 

 

cynthianovak [cynthianovak]

Friday, July 09, 2004 9:37 AM

RE: Election 2004: From the Jyotish List

 

 

Dear THerese

W's chart does seem to give him success when you would think he would

fail.

I have a way of looking at the lal sarpa charts: If the person goes for

desire he loses, if he goes for purpose or a sense of fulfilling the

will

of

god or the universe he succeeds.

 

I know this sounds really odd, but they are very destined charts: all

planets on one side of the nodes. For them, transits of and to the

nodes

are unusually significant. Many Vedic astrologers presumed that he

would

lose last time because he is in

Saturn MD and Saturn seems to be weak for his chart. Yet at the very

beginning of his SAturn MD he stopped drinking, had an epiphany and

began

doing public service. When Saturn last triggered his Sun and Moon, Karl

Rove approached him and they began the committee to see if he might run

for

president.

 

I live in TX and he was a pretty good governor here. The governor has

very

little power and really doesn't work that hard. W. managed to get our

politicians to work together...something in this state is pretty rare.

I

always felt that he would have been happy in this job and not going

further.

He always seemed happy here. I know that folks will say that he caused

all

sorts of problems here in education, but he actually stirred up the big

teachers unions to call for accountability. Something long overdue.

Anyway, the point I'm making is as we have talked about before, he

didn't

pursue the presidency out of ego, but something else.

 

That makes all the difference in a kala sarpa chart and in how well

SAturn

performs even for the average person (my opinion and observation) For a

while, I swear I had several kala sarpas a week in my practice. OVer

and

over they told stories of how they had failed at something they " wanted "

and

succeeded when they did what was needed.

 

I suspect that if W. is what we need in the US he'll succeed. Now, how

might the nation act if we did not " need " him? That's a bigger question

t

o

me.

 

Yes, I see John Edwards with light too! When he speaks he is so

rational

and open. He doesn't blurt things out but does want to see we the

people

as

responsible, not victim like. The latter I see in Kerry.

 

I suspect you are right about the VP playing a strong role. Cheney is a

tough guy to get a " feel " for. He seems very tough and guarded. He

certainly had to be strong on 9-11-2001. I live near Dallas and back in

2000 a woman I knew saw all the personal sercurity guards at a local

gourmet

food restaurant. She went in and saw Cheney dining and got as close as

she

could. To her surprise, he felt very calm and not at all " evil " or

angry

as

she has expected.

 

I also agree with Rao, the voters will make the difference. I still

don't

" know " who will win, but if you look at the transits in W's chart for

the

inaugurationl you'll see Jupiter returning to his natal Moon Jupiter.

Looks

pretty lucky to me! But if the president will be assasinated, then

lucky

may be that he loses.

 

 

Ooooh this is so frustrating! Who wins is really the loser and who

loses

is

the loser too!

 

smiles

rambling again, now heading out to my garden

cynthia