Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 kyuseiki <kyuseiki wrote: , Therese Hamilton wrote: > I had never thought of the night time observation of a star marking the > opposite point to zero sidereal Aries! (The asterisks above are mine.) This fact seems to have escaped the attention of most western sidereal astrologers. It is one of the main reasons as to why I decided to work with the True Ayanamsa (as some call it) rather than the SVP. But this is of course a matter of great debate. I just like the fact that Spica is visible and 'there.' The difference between Spica at 29 degrees Virgo and 0 degrees Libra is insignificant when visually attempting to conceptulize 0 degrees Aires... If you cast a " real-time " chart and see that the Moon is rising at your location you will find that it take the Moon a few degrees of rising before you actually see the Moon at the horizon.... Of course altitude, latitude and landscape alters the perspective as well... So when following Spica rising or setting to define Aires be mindful of the " lag " time. Are you suggesting that one particular ayanamsa is the " true " ayanamsa? Moreover as a student of the metaphysical philosophy of Rudolf Steiner I find it to be profoundly symbolic that the Roman Empire was divided by the Emperor Diocletian into East and West in 285 AD, later leading to the Eastern and Western Christian churches. The tropical and the sidereal zodiacs coincided in the year 285 AD when the Lahiri Ayanamsa was zero. Steiner considered Diocletian an 'initiate' and the division of the Roman Empire predestined. From Steiner's perspective the year 285 AD marks an important development in the historical and spiritual life of world civilization. Ad astra per aspera Andrew Diocletion an initiate? Do you believe in predetermination? IS life as we know it predestined? http://faculty.oxy.edu/jquinn/home/Math490/Timeline/285AD.html http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05007b.htm After reading the above links I didn't get the feeling of 285 AD being significant as a time when sidereal and tropical calculations shared something syncronistic. I did learn that Diocletian and I share similar ancestory... (Dalmatia)...known today as the Croatian Coastline Go Figure!!! All differences of opinion aside.... Glad to see you here Arthur!!!! I'm sure we will find much to agree on..... Jivio PS: Therese, am I reading your quote out of context? I'll look for your previous message..... " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 kyuseiki <kyuseiki wrote: , Juan Oliver > Are you suggesting that one particular ayanamsa is the " true " ayanamsa? Dr. Samuel Sagan of the 'Clairvision School' in Australia refers to the Lahiri ayanamsa as the True Ayanamsa. I would not suggest that there is a 'true ayanamsa' but I would assert it. I would also assert that most western sidereal astrologers would not agree with my assertion any more than they would agree with the assertions of Hindu astrologers like Dr. Choudhry to the effect that the Lahiri ayanamsa is the true ayanamsa. So... you wouldn't suggest Lahiri as the True Ayanamsa however you would assert it..... your arrogance implies ignorance.... does righteousness assert truth? Anyone who would " assert " that their opinion is the only truth is ignorant. I and most western sidereal astrologers would agree with your statement " that most western sidereal astrologers would not agree with my assertion any more than they would agree with the assertions of Hindu astrologers like Dr. Choudhry to the effect that the Lahiri ayanamsa is the true ayanamsa " . > Diocletion an initiate? Do you believe in predetermination? IS life as we know it predestined? I do not know. I have an opinion but an opinion is not knowledge per se. I 'believe' in order and chaos. I 'believe' that the large brush strokes are predestined but the actual details of the picture are not. How is Diocletion an initiate? There is sycronisity within physical and spritual properties. > After reading the above links I didn't get the feeling of 285 AD being significant as a time when sidereal and tropical calculations shared something syncronistic. It is not a matter of feeling but of historical fact. No its not a historical fact.... You want to " assert " that a pararell exists between 285 AD, Lahiri, The reorganization of the Roman Empire and a time when sidereal and tropical calculations shared something syncronistic and you might as well be blowing smoke....Your assertion lahiri is completely hypothetical ..... there is nothing of substance to support your " assertion " . There are several sources which attest to this -- even on the internet. Here is just one: http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/Mediterranean/LaterRome.Chron.html Quote: '285: The Emperor Diocletian Divides the Roman Empire' That is about as simple and straightforward as it gets. Very simple indeed but dividing the Roman Empire is not the issue... Ad astra per aspera Andrew Jivio PS: Rudolf Steiner had an opinion... no more than you or I.... He held no inherent truth..... simply an opinion like the rest of us. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 At my pleasure....... kyuseiki <kyuseiki wrote: The rest of your remarks do not merit any further comment on my part -- now or at any time in the future. Andrew Jivio " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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