Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 At 04:06 PM 9/8/04 -0000, Andrew wrote: >I just like the fact that Spica >is visible and 'there.' I like Spica for the same reason and am not especially happy that the Krishnamurti ayanamsa seems to give better results for solar ingress charts. > >Moreover as a student of the metaphysical philosophy of Rudolf Steiner >I find it to be profoundly symbolic that the Roman Empire was divided >by the Emperor Diocletian into East and West in 285 AD, later leading >to the Eastern and Western Christian churches. The tropical and the >sidereal zodiacs coincided in the year 285 AD when the Lahiri Ayanamsa >was zero. This does seem very significant. This is new information to me--the date of the division of the Roman Empire. I'm all in favor of using the Lahiri ayanamsa up to an advanced stage of research (ingress and precise dasa/bhukti timing). If I were teaching classes as I used to do, I'd suggest that students use Lahiri. >Steiner considered Diocletian an 'initiate' and the division >of the Roman Empire predestined. From Steiner's perspective the year >285 AD marks an important development in the historical and spiritual >life of world civilization. Thanks for this information. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > I like Spica for the same reason and am not especially happy that the > Krishnamurti ayanamsa seems to give better results for solar ingress charts. Maybe there are different ayanamsas for different techniques? Or might they all simply be 'variations' on the same theme? Or are measurement techniques open to interpretation? Or is the ingress itself subject to a different perspective? Are the results of our research dependent on the measurements we use to obtain them? Would different measurements produce relatively valid results? What degree of precision is truly necessary in order to obtain the results we are seeking? > This does seem very significant. This is new information to me--the date of > the division of the Roman Empire. I'm all in favor of using the Lahiri > ayanamsa up to an advanced stage of research (ingress and precise > dasa/bhukti timing). If I were teaching classes as I used to do, I'd > suggest that students use Lahiri. Steiner always tied his insights to cultural epochs and events and he encouraged his students to do likewise -- he warned against developing a mode of thought based upon purely abstract, conceptual or empirical lines. I notice on your web site that you are a follower of the Yogananda spiritual tradition -- have you ever experimented with the ayanamsa given by Sri Yukteswar? Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 At 11:53 PM 9/8/04 -0000, Andrew wrote: >Maybe there are different ayanamsas for different techniques? I rather doubt it, except that I think it's possible that the Moon might march to a different 'zodiac,' since lunar mansions existed long before the 12 sign zodiac. Or are measurement techniques open to interpretation? Or is the ingress itself subject to >a different perspective?... Not the way I use it. Aspects linked to the angles, and they've got to be close. Also the chart of an event must tie in with the ingress chart in certain ways. I have some examples on my site, but haven't posted the commentary. There are some charts and commentary posted here on the sidereal site (earthquake charts). >Steiner always tied his insights to cultural epochs and events and he >encouraged his students to do likewise -- he warned against developing >a mode of thought based upon purely abstract, conceptual or empirical >lines. I like this approach. >I notice on your web site that you are a follower of the Yogananda >spiritual tradition -- have you ever experimented with the ayanamsa >given by Sri Yukteswar? Yes, it's very close to the Raman ayanamsa. Sri Yukteswar and Raman used the ayanamsa commonly popular in India before the Lahiri research project. This ayanamsa doesn't work for dasa/bhukti timing. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > I rather doubt it, except that I think it's possible that the Moon might > march to a different 'zodiac,' since lunar mansions existed long before the > 12 sign zodiac. Is it possible that the different ayanamsas might represent different harmonics? > Not the way I use it. Aspects linked to the angles, and they've got to be > close. Also the chart of an event must tie in with the ingress chart in > certain ways. I have some examples on my site, but haven't posted the > commentary. There are some charts and commentary posted here on the > sidereal site (earthquake charts). In erecting the chart of an event -- how does one determine when the event actually begins? Can one even identify a first moment? Or is the moment one selects to erect the chart of an event itself part of the interpretation process? I know this sounds rather metaphysical -- it is just a thought. > This ayanamsa doesn't work for dasa/bhukti timing. There are some Hindu astrologers who argue that different dasa/bhukti systems work for different people depending on sect -- for example the Vimsottari dasas for day births and Ashtottari dasas for night births. Others argue that only Lagna Kendradi dasas or Kalachakra dasas really 'work.' Perhaps the different ayanamsas are designed to work for these different dasas. Ad astra per aspera Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 At 04:33 PM 9/9/04 -0000, Andrew wrote: > >> I rather doubt it, except that I think it's possible that the Moon might >> march to a different 'zodiac,' since lunar mansions existed long >before the >> 12 sign zodiac. > >Is it possible that the different ayanamsas might represent different >harmonics? I suppose it might be possible that the Moon's 'harmonic' is the 27 fold lunar house harmonic. But India has this harmonic lined up exactly with the solar zodiac. > >In erecting the chart of an event -- how does one determine when the >event actually begins? An earthquake is an earthquake, often timed to the second by the quake scientists. >There are some Hindu astrologers who argue that different dasa/bhukti >systems work for different people depending on sect -- for example the >Vimsottari dasas for day births and Ashtottari dasas for night births. Yes, but these don't relate to the ayanamsa per se. Perhaps the different ayanamsas are designed to work for these >different dasas. Astrologers could drive themselves crazy thinking like this. Too much thought, not enough research with actual horoscopes. All over the world astrologers love to 'talk' and spin ideas. And where is astrology now?? Not a science, just hundreds of techniques, thousands of passing thoughts, few of them tested even a little. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > Yes, but these don't relate to the ayanamsa per se. The article linked to below might prove of interest to you: http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/Shyama_site/what_is_jyotish/pdf_versions/how_lo\ ng_is_year_eng.pdf Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Andrew, that paper wouldn't print, and I have a really hard time reading on the computer screen. But I gather that the paper had to do with timing-360 and 365 day years. I've followed these arguments for some time and experimented with Fagan/Lahiri/Krishnamurti 360-365 day years. I'd like to read the paper in full. Is there a way to print it that I don't know about? Therese At 06:18 PM 9/9/04 -0000, you wrote: > >The article linked to below might prove of interest to you: > >http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/Shyama_site/what_is_jyotish/pdf_versions/h ow_long_is_year_eng.pdf > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > Andrew, that paper wouldn't print, and I have a really hard time reading on > the computer screen. But I gather that the paper had to do with timing-360 > and 365 day years. I've followed these arguments for some time and > experimented with Fagan/Lahiri/Krishnamurti 360-365 day years. I'd like to > read the paper in full. Is there a way to print it that I don't know about? Go to: http://www.shyamasundaradasa.com/Shyama_site/what_is_jyotish.htm This page provides a list of the articles he has written including the article 'How Long is the Year in Vimshottari Mahadasa.' It may be a bit easier to read and/or print this article in HTML format. I suggested it because he discusses the use of ayanamsas in determining length of year. He is very insistent on his point of view -- unlike me, for example... Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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