Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Why the new moon in just Pisces? Why not of some other constellation? Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " My pgp public key is on the MIT pgp server at http//pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/ ___ - " Christopher Kevill " <christopher.kevill Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:06 PM Re: Mount Pelee > Dear Steve, > > Some very compelling hits there. While I don't know much about some of the > techniques you outline, I am always most impressed with techniques that > can be used ahead of time to predict events, ie. preceding astronomical > events rather than configurations at the time and place of an event. The > charts of the eclipse, Capsolar and Caplunar fulfill this requirement well. > > Here's an old mundane Hindu technique that appears to work fairly well for > this event. > > To see the year upcoming for a nation or city, use the chart for the last > new moon in Pisces. Set for > Martinique on April 8 1902, a month before the explosion, you get: > > Asc 27Taurus > Pluto 24 Taurus > Uranus 28Scorpio > Sun/Moon 25Pisces > Mars 23 Pisces > Ketu/SN 12 Aries (this exactly semisquare Asc from the > 12th house) > > One problem with this technique is that it isn't very location-specific. > The Pisces new moon chart for Washington, DC for example has an ascendant of > 24 Taurus -- not that big a difference. A more promising approach would be > to use the parallax corrected Moon which is more location-sensitive. That > chart is also troubled, although you have to dig a little deeper: > > Asc 11 Taurus > Ketu 11Aries (on the 12th cusp, as it were) > Sun/Moon 25Pisces > Mars 23 Pisces > Asc 20N51 > Saturn 20S42 > MC 13S45 > Pluto 13N55 > > NB. the declinations of the angles move quite quickly -- between 1-8 > minutes for every clock minute of time (less movement the closer to the 23 > degree limit and more movement when it is crossing the 0 line). > > Like all these astronomically-based charts, these can checked beforehand for > predictive purposes. So imagine an inhabitant of St Pierre checking his > Pisces New Moon chart in the spring interested to know the year upcoming in > his homeland. He would rightly conclude that it would be pretty nasty year > ahead I'm sure, although perhaps not nasty enough to hire a boat to leave. > Maybe with the aid of a western sidereal friend, they might figure it all > out before it was too late. > > cheers, > Chris > ps who were those 2 people who survived? Hope they cleaned up on the movie > rights. > > - > " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara > > Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:46 PM > Mount Pelee > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I was watching a TV program this evening on the eruption of Mt Pelee > > that occurred on May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM near the city of St. Pierre on > > the island of Martinique. > > (14N45) (61W11). > > > > The eruption completely destroyed the village of St. Pierre and all of > > it's 30,000 inhabitants (2 survivors only) in a matter of about 3 > > minutes. > > > > > > A few observations: The natal chart of the event has 27Tau11 rising > > (Fagan) with Uranus at 27Sco11 and Pluto at 24 Tau 04. > > > > The total Solar Eclipse preceding the event (excluding all partial > > eclipses) occurred on May 18, 1901 @ 1:33:11 AM at St. Pierre.. > > Asc=22Aqu, MC=25Sco, > > Uranus=22Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > > > Progressing the Solar Eclipse using the PSSR rate (from Solar Fire) to > > the event date and time of the eruption (May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM) gives: > > Asc=20Tau, MC=10Aqu, Pluto=23Tau, Uranus=22Sco, Mars=9Leo. > > > > The Sun's ennead (9th harmonic or 40* increments of the Sun) prior to > > the eruption occurred on April 7, 1902. > > Asc=21Aqu, MC=25Sco, Uranus=27Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > > > The Cap Lunar preceding the event occurred on April 29, 1902: Asc=4Can, > > MC=2Aries, Saturn=4Cap, Mars=8Aries, Node=10Aries > > > > The Cap Solar preceding the event occurred on Jan 14, 1902: Asc=6Cap, > > MC=16Lib, Mars=16Cap, Node=16Lib, Merc=7Cap. > > > > Mars and Pluto were nearly exact by declination: +13* 57' and +14* 03'. > > > > Uranus was at -00* 02' of latitude, Saturn at +00* 01', and Mars at -00 > > 19'. > > > > (Uranus was at 00* 00' latitude on the day of the Hiroshima bomb) > > > > > > Best, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Christopher Kevill wrote: > > Here's an old mundane Hindu technique that appears to work fairly well > for > this event. > > To see the year upcoming for a nation or city, use the chart for the > last > new moon in Pisces. Set for > Martinique on April 8 1902, a month before the explosion, you get: > > Asc 27Taurus > Pluto 24 Taurus > Uranus 28Scorpio > Sun/Moon 25Pisces > Mars 23 Pisces > Ketu/SN 12 Aries (this exactly semisquare Asc from the > 12th house) > > One problem with this technique is that it isn't very > location-specific. > The Pisces new moon chart for Washington, DC for example has an > ascendant of > 24 Taurus -- not that big a difference. Hi Chris, Good example. I often forget to look at the New Moon in Pisces. This chart harkens back many ages to ancient cultures that used the first nisan Moon to mark the beginning of the year. I pursued the question of this chart for a while via Indain astrologers and never received a satisfactory answer as to why the New Moon in Pisces. It was Fagan's research on the exaltations that tipped me off as to the chart's true origins. The first thin crescent of the Moon, that became visible on the horizon, just after sunset, in the Spring, marked the beginning of the year (this was called the first nisan I believe). The Moon here, became visible after separating from it's conjunction with the Sun, and moving out of combustion--about 14 degrees. It was this amount of separation between the Sun and Moon that gave Fagan the original idea that the exaltations (at least of the Sun and Moon initially) may have been in fact based on this simple separation (the Sun at 19 Aries and the Moon at 3 Taurus are 14 degrees apart). Back in 786/85 BC, the year Fagan claims the exaltation degrees of all planets arose, the New Moon in the spring was in Aries. Due to precession that occurs at the rate of about 1* every 72 years, this has gradually shifted back into Pisces. If you put this chart up on Solar Maps, you will find the Pluto/Uranus lines cross just north of the West Indies--puttng it much closer to Martinique than Washington. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Dear Steve, Some very compelling hits there. While I don't know much about some of the techniques you outline, I am always most impressed with techniques that can be used ahead of time to predict events, ie. preceding astronomical events rather than configurations at the time and place of an event. The charts of the eclipse, Capsolar and Caplunar fulfill this requirement well. Here's an old mundane Hindu technique that appears to work fairly well for this event. To see the year upcoming for a nation or city, use the chart for the last new moon in Pisces. Set for Martinique on April 8 1902, a month before the explosion, you get: Asc 27Taurus Pluto 24 Taurus Uranus 28Scorpio Sun/Moon 25Pisces Mars 23 Pisces Ketu/SN 12 Aries (this exactly semisquare Asc from the 12th house) One problem with this technique is that it isn't very location-specific. The Pisces new moon chart for Washington, DC for example has an ascendant of 24 Taurus -- not that big a difference. A more promising approach would be to use the parallax corrected Moon which is more location-sensitive. That chart is also troubled, although you have to dig a little deeper: Asc 11 Taurus Ketu 11Aries (on the 12th cusp, as it were) Sun/Moon 25Pisces Mars 23 Pisces Asc 20N51 Saturn 20S42 MC 13S45 Pluto 13N55 NB. the declinations of the angles move quite quickly -- between 1-8 minutes for every clock minute of time (less movement the closer to the 23 degree limit and more movement when it is crossing the 0 line). Like all these astronomically-based charts, these can checked beforehand for predictive purposes. So imagine an inhabitant of St Pierre checking his Pisces New Moon chart in the spring interested to know the year upcoming in his homeland. He would rightly conclude that it would be pretty nasty year ahead I'm sure, although perhaps not nasty enough to hire a boat to leave. Maybe with the aid of a western sidereal friend, they might figure it all out before it was too late. cheers, Chris ps who were those 2 people who survived? Hope they cleaned up on the movie rights. - " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:46 PM Mount Pelee > > > Dear Members, > > I was watching a TV program this evening on the eruption of Mt Pelee > that occurred on May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM near the city of St. Pierre on > the island of Martinique. > (14N45) (61W11). > > The eruption completely destroyed the village of St. Pierre and all of > it's 30,000 inhabitants (2 survivors only) in a matter of about 3 > minutes. > > > A few observations: The natal chart of the event has 27Tau11 rising > (Fagan) with Uranus at 27Sco11 and Pluto at 24 Tau 04. > > The total Solar Eclipse preceding the event (excluding all partial > eclipses) occurred on May 18, 1901 @ 1:33:11 AM at St. Pierre.. > Asc=22Aqu, MC=25Sco, > Uranus=22Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > Progressing the Solar Eclipse using the PSSR rate (from Solar Fire) to > the event date and time of the eruption (May 8, 1902 @ 7:52 AM) gives: > Asc=20Tau, MC=10Aqu, Pluto=23Tau, Uranus=22Sco, Mars=9Leo. > > The Sun's ennead (9th harmonic or 40* increments of the Sun) prior to > the eruption occurred on April 7, 1902. > Asc=21Aqu, MC=25Sco, Uranus=27Sco, Pluto=23Tau. > > The Cap Lunar preceding the event occurred on April 29, 1902: Asc=4Can, > MC=2Aries, Saturn=4Cap, Mars=8Aries, Node=10Aries > > The Cap Solar preceding the event occurred on Jan 14, 1902: Asc=6Cap, > MC=16Lib, Mars=16Cap, Node=16Lib, Merc=7Cap. > > Mars and Pluto were nearly exact by declination: +13* 57' and +14* 03'. > > Uranus was at -00* 02' of latitude, Saturn at +00* 01', and Mars at -00 > 19'. > > (Uranus was at 00* 00' latitude on the day of the Hiroshima bomb) > > > Best, > > Steve > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Bert, Here are two possible reasons for the New Moon in Pisces... 1. Pisces at the end of the cycle has already one leg in the future and its representatives are already half way there, so these *stars* give a natural attraction to the future and are often found in the nati of good predictors. 2. The Hindus translated the Tropical Aries New Moon back into the Sidereal and the borrowing was lost through the passage of time, hastened by their ready predilection to deny owing anything to anyone. The whole world and everything in it was born on the banks of the Ganges, or so they would have you believe. Dark*Star ------------------- Bert Fannin wrote: > Why the new moon in just Pisces? Why not of some > other constellation? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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