Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 The RAMC of my progressed Caplunar for Kumbakonam at 11:20 AM, IST, on July 16, 2004: 301d 29m. Cusp of fourth house : 121d 29m. Midpoints of progressed Caplunar Saturn and India's natal planets: PSaturn and NSatrun: 121d 55m. PSaturn and NPluto: 122d 40m. PSaturn and NVenus: 123d 01m. TMars and TSaturn: 123d 06m. The RAMC of the of the Caplunar when it came in on July 3rd was 137d 24m. The midpoint of India's natal Saturn\ Pluto wass conjunct it at 137d 03m, while return Neptune was opposite it at 137d 02m. Transiting Mars on July 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM, IST, was at 136d 55m. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 ________ What coordant system are you using in these mesurments? Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology ltastrology www.ltastrology.com " Where you should be and when you should be there. " - " bobnicewander " <jan61108 Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:46 PM Kumbakonam Fire > The RAMC of my progressed Caplunar for Kumbakonam at 11:20 AM, IST, on > July 16, 2004: 301d 29m. > > Cusp of fourth house : 121d 29m. > > Midpoints of progressed Caplunar Saturn and India's natal planets: > > PSaturn and NSatrun: 121d 55m. > > PSaturn and NPluto: 122d 40m. > > PSaturn and NVenus: 123d 01m. > > TMars and TSaturn: 123d 06m. > > The RAMC of the of the Caplunar when it came in on July 3rd was 137d > 24m. The midpoint of India's natal Saturn\ Pluto wass conjunct it at > 137d 03m, while return Neptune was opposite it at 137d 02m. > Transiting Mars on July 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM, IST, was at 136d 55m. > > Bob " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Sorry for the repeat. - " Bert Fannin " <bwfannin Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:27 AM Re: Kumbakonam Fire > ________ > What coordant system are you using in these mesurments? > > > Bert W. Fannin > Western Sidereal Astrologer > Location and Timing Astrology > ltastrology > www.ltastrology.com > " Where you should be and when you should be there. " > > > - > " bobnicewander " <jan61108 > > Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:46 PM > Kumbakonam Fire > > > > The RAMC of my progressed Caplunar for Kumbakonam at 11:20 AM, IST, on > > July 16, 2004: 301d 29m. > > > > Cusp of fourth house : 121d 29m. > > > > Midpoints of progressed Caplunar Saturn and India's natal planets: > > > > PSaturn and NSatrun: 121d 55m. > > > > PSaturn and NPluto: 122d 40m. > > > > PSaturn and NVenus: 123d 01m. > > > > TMars and TSaturn: 123d 06m. > > > > The RAMC of the of the Caplunar when it came in on July 3rd was 137d > > 24m. The midpoint of India's natal Saturn\ Pluto wass conjunct it at > > 137d 03m, while return Neptune was opposite it at 137d 02m. > > Transiting Mars on July 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM, IST, was at 136d 55m. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Not sure what you want here Bert. Fagan-Bradley Ayanamsa, Lat and Long of Kumbarkonam (10N58, 079E23), angles progressed by the difference in right ascension of the apparent Moon return and transiting, as I always do. Bob Nicewander , " Bert Fannin " <bwfannin@e...> wrote: > ________ > What coordant system are you using in these mesurments? > > > Bert W. Fannin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Bob: I see you expressed the zodiacal longitude in terms of the 360 circle. By the way, the angles move on the Right Ascension of the Apparent Sun. that is a function of the rotation. While the RA Moon might move the angles a full 360 during the period of the return, that is not the way the angles rotate. they do so in the same manner as the rotation sky. That mean that if planets are fairly near angles at the commencement of a lunar return, they will come to the angles, but if they are in the mid-ground or back-ground they will not. I experimented with the RA Moon method and found that it did not give the correct timing of events. While RAAS does in both the Solar and Lunar returns. Sidereally, Bert __________ - " bobnicewander " <jan61108 Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:24 PM Re: Kumbakonam Fire > Not sure what you want here Bert. Fagan-Bradley Ayanamsa, Lat and Long > of Kumbarkonam (10N58, 079E23), angles progressed by the difference in > right ascension of the apparent Moon return and transiting, as I > always do. > > Bob Nicewander > > , " Bert Fannin " > <bwfannin@e...> wrote: > > ________ > > What coordant system are you using in these mesurments? > > > > > > Bert W. Fannin > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Bert, The angles move on the right ascension of the Apparent Sun for you because that is the method you prefer to use. Apparently, you are so invested in trying to make astrology, a non-formal science at best, with its beliefs in sign rulerships, its beliefs in house rulerships (by the way, how many house systems are there?), the scientificaly unprovable point that planets have ANY effect, much less 'cause' anything to happen in the world as it is known, appear to be based on astromically correct fact, that you disavow any method that is not astromically correct. Then I say to you disavow sign rulerships, house rulerships, planetary significance of any kind, in fact forget astrology completely because most of it is not scientifically provable. I am not interested in trying to prove to academia or the scientific community that astrology works. I have accepted for myself that astrology does work, at least and perhaps at most as well, as a tool to indicate the type of situation or state of affairs that may exist or may have existed at a given time and place. While you have 'experimented' with using the arc transcribed by the Moon to progress lunar returns, I have fully embraced that manner of progression for almost 30 years and use it DAILY ! If you want to think me ignorant that is your perogative but I get expected results first time, everytime, using only one method. I stand up for what I believe in because in more than a quarter century of use it has a proven track record that no other method can even remotely aproach. I suggest that you experimenting was cursory at best and if the two methods were judged by an impartial panel the use of the lunar arc would emerge as the far superior tool that it is. I would ask you to take this challenge: Use the method with every event that comes along for a year, or better yet, do not wait for new events but begin as soon as possible by using past events and then report your findings. To do this on one event per week should not take more than perhaps 30 minutes a week enabling you to look at about 50 cases in the course of a year. Not much in comparison to the thousands of returns I have applied the technique to but I hope enough to open your eyes. After that you might have something significant to say regarding the method. I regard the use of the lunar arc to progress lunar returns to be my bailiwick and consider myself the world's sole authority on the method. I have freely shared the methodology on many lists on the internet. I may not be a know astrological personality but I am no " Johhny come lately " to the study and I am no stranger to personal success in several other fields. The astrology connected to this post comes from my progressed natal demi-lunar return which has secondary progressed natal Jupiter conjunct the MC at this time and my progressed demi-anlunar which has natal Venus conjunct the MC, while both also have other indicators ready to apply as well. Robert Nicewander , " Bert Fannin " <bwfannin@e...> wrote: > Bob: I see you expressed the zodiacal longitude in terms of the 360 circle. > By the way, the angles move on the Right Ascension of the Apparent Sun. that > is a function of the rotation. While the RA Moon might move the angles a > full 360 during the period of the return, that is not the way the angles > rotate. they do so in the same manner as the rotation sky. That mean that if > planets are fairly near angles at the commencement of a lunar return, they > will come to the angles, but if they are in the mid-ground or back-ground > they will not. I experimented with the RA Moon method and found that it did > not give the correct timing of events. While RAAS does in both the Solar and > Lunar returns. > > Sidereally, > Bert > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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