Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Dark Star, Therese, Bettina, Sateesh, Chris et al, To add a bit to the discussion on intelligence, I thought I would add an additional two cents worth. Many years ago I was reprimanded strongly by a spiritual teacher after I made a remark about a person's intelligence, stating something like; " He seems like a very intelligent person " . My teacher asked me exactly what I meant by that statement and I naturally fumbled around for an answer. His answer to me was, " Intelligence is the ability to distinguish spirit from matter--so now do you still think he is intelligent " ? Without going into a very boring discussion, I think it is fairly obvious that intelligence can be defined very differently by different people. Below are some results of 365 members of Mensa, found in the Astrodatabank, with a birth record rating of AA or A i.e, from the birth certificate or from memory. Looking at aspects between planets, angles and Moon's nodes, here are some results. I am excluding the outer planets in this except in their relationship to angles. Aspects include conjunction, opposition, trine, square, sextile, semi-square, sesqui-square, semi-sextile, and quincunx. At a 5 degree orb: highest was Mercury/Ascendant @ 51.2% of charts, or in other words of the 365 members, 51.2% had Mercury in some relation to the Ascendant. Next in line was Moon/Ascendant @ 48.2%. This was followed by Uranus/Midheaven @ 47.7%, Mercury/Neptune and Moon/Midheaven both at 47.4% and Moon/Uranus @ 47.1%. At a 4 deg orb: Mercury/Ascendant comes in 1st again @ 42.5% followed by Moon/Ascendant @ 41.4%. At 3 deg: Mercury/Ascendant again @ 33.2% followed by Node/Midheaven @ 31.8%, Moon/Ascendant @ 31.5%, and Moon/Midheaven, Jupiter/Node and Jupiter/Ascendant tied @ 30.4%. At 2 deg.: Moon/Ascendant comes in 1st at 24.1%, Jupiter/Saturn next @ 22.7%, Node/Midheaven @ 22.5%, Mercury/Ascendant @ 22.2 %. Mercury/Ascendant had it's highest hits by Sextile and Moon/Ascendant highest by Sesqui-square. The three top placements of Mercury by sign were Libra, Aquarius and Gemini in that order (for Fagan) and Aquarius, Libra, Gemini in order for Krishnamurthi. The house most often occupied by Mercury for either Whole Signs, Porphory, Hindu Bhava or Placiidus was house #2 followed by house #11 and #10. Much of the above speaks for itself I think--more coming in Part II Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Steven, Your post has awoken me for a week. What no exalted Mercury Virgo? D*S Steven Stuckey wrote: > " Intelligence is the ability to distinguish spirit > from matter--so now do you still think he is intelligent " ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Dark Star, A week could be an eternity.......... Mercury in Virgo and Pisces tied for 4th place for members of Mensa--however amongst 1803 astrologers, Mercury in Sag gets the prize. Any combinations you could mention for capering " above and beyond " ?----excluding your recipe for Rhubarb pie of course. Steve Dark Star wrote: > > Steven, > > Your post has awoken me for a week. What no exalted Mercury Virgo? > D*S > > Steven Stuckey wrote: > > > " Intelligence is the ability to distinguish spirit > > from matter--so now do you still think he is intelligent " ? > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Steven, Fourth place? I am peeved if not pissed. The LAPD says Moon-Uranus for caper. All recipes start with, " First catch your hare " from _The Art ofCookery Made Plain and Simple_ by Hannah Glasse 1776. A very good year for lots of things, wasn't it? Dark*Star Steven Stuckey wrote: > Dark Star, > > Mercury in Virgo and Pisces tied for 4th place for members of > Mensa-Any combinations you could mention for capering " above and > beyond " ?----excluding your recipe for Rhubarb pie of course. > > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 At 04:47 PM 4/29/04 -0700, Steve wrote: > (...) >Many years ago I was reprimanded strongly by a spiritual teacher after I >made a remark about a person's intelligence, stating something like; " He >seems like a very intelligent person " . My teacher asked me exactly what >I meant by that statement and I naturally fumbled around for an answer. >His answer to me was, " Intelligence is the ability to distinguish spirit >from matter--so now do you still think he is intelligent " ? This may be the only REAL definition of intelligence! Which means that not very many of us are intelligent. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Below are some results of 365 members of Mensa, found in the >Astrodatabank, with a birth record rating of AA or A i.e, from the birth >certificate or from memory. >Looking at aspects between planets, angles and Moon's nodes, here are >some results. I am excluding the outer planets in this except in their >relationship to angles. >Aspects include conjunction, opposition, trine, square, sextile, >semi-square, sesqui-square, semi-sextile, and quincunx. > >At a 5 degree orb: highest was Mercury/Ascendant @ 51.2% of charts, or >in other words of the 365 members, 51.2% had Mercury in some relation to >the Ascendant. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I remember many years ago I did a study of high ingelligence charts--these would be defined as people who learned easily, then called 'gifted.' Mercury-ascendant was one of the signatures. Also the position of Mercury's dispositor was important. >Next in line was Moon/Ascendant @ 48.2%. I also found the Moon important, plus the Moon's dispositor. (...) Thanks, Steve, for a post we can keep! I do have trouble restricting orbs to small values, probably because of my Jyotish training. This is why ultimtely I want to see each horoscope rather than lists of numbers. But I tabulate those numbers all the time myself! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Therese Hamilton wrote: > > Thanks, Steve, for a post we can keep! I do have trouble restricting orbs > to small values, probably because of my Jyotish training. This is why > ultimtely I want to see each horoscope rather than lists of numbers. > But I > tabulate the numbers anyway. Hi Therese, Yes I know what you mean--I essentially do the same thing. I'm more inclined to give larger orbs for natal charts (also from Jyotish training) and often follow the Tajika rules for orbs. These numbers are, as you stated, a tabulation rather than statistical anaylsis The results are rarely statistically significant but can sometimes be helpful for finding a general signature--although obviously the larger number of charts the better. I use dispositors as well and aspects to dispositors. The 5th house and it's lord, and aspects to both of these are significant for intelligence (from Jyotish), as well as 5th from the 5th (or 9th house), and 5th from the 5th lord. The 5th from the Sun and Moon is also useful. A good example of the efficacy of these techniques can be found in the chart of Albert Einstein. Best wishes, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Thanks for the report Steve. Looking forward to any future info on this topic. Maybe you could compare those totals to various control groups -- like astrologers... Chris > At 2 deg.: Moon/Ascendant comes in 1st at 24.1%, Jupiter/Saturn next @ > 22.7%, Node/Midheaven @ 22.5%, Mercury/Ascendant @ 22.2 %. > > Mercury/Ascendant had it's highest hits by Sextile and Moon/Ascendant > highest by Sesqui-square. > > The three top placements of Mercury by sign were Libra, Aquarius and > Gemini in that order (for Fagan) and Aquarius, Libra, Gemini in order > for Krishnamurthi. > > The house most often occupied by Mercury for either Whole Signs, > Porphory, Hindu Bhava or Placiidus was house #2 followed by house #11 > and #10. > > Much of the above speaks for itself I think--more coming in Part II > > > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Christopher Kevill wrote: > Thanks for the report Steve. > > Looking forward to any future info on this topic. > > Maybe you could compare those totals to various control groups -- like > astrologers... > Hi Chris, Astrologers was my next group and persons also of 'low' IQ--coming within the next two days or so. I agree we should have some sort of control group. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 At 03:02 AM 5/4/04 -0700, Steve wrote: > >Astrologers was my next group and persons also of 'low' IQ--coming >within the next two days or so. I agree we should have some sort of >control group. One kind of easy control group is to use the opposite to what you are studying. Compare high IQ with 'low' IQ. I did this years ago and came up with interesting restults, but I used all hand drawn charts. Now I have to go back and repeat it all with ADB. I'll reply to your other post as soon as I can. I'm trying to finish up articles for the Lost Zodiac site. I promised some members on another site, and due to technical difficulties with our server and lack of time on my part, the articles are way overdue. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Therese Hamilton wrote: > > One kind of easy control group is to use the opposite to what you are > studying. Compare high IQ with 'low' IQ. Hi Therese, Yes ,this is what I had in mind--since we have looked at Mensa members first. Unfortunately there are much fewer 'low IQ' charts in the databank. There seems to be a plethora of these charts however amongst modern politicians--perhaps they could make up the deficit. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 There are a whole lot of data for people with Down's syndrome on AstroData Bank. Do you have that? .... Bettina Steven Stuckey [shastrakara] Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:51 AM Re: Re: Moon-Mercury/Intelligence? Therese Hamilton wrote: > > One kind of easy control group is to use the opposite to what you are > studying. Compare high IQ with 'low' IQ. Hi Therese, Yes ,this is what I had in mind--since we have looked at Mensa members first. Unfortunately there are much fewer 'low IQ' charts in the databank. There seems to be a plethora of these charts however amongst modern politicians--perhaps they could make up the deficit. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 At 10:51 AM 5/4/04 -0700, Steve wrote: >Yes ,this is what I had in mind--since we have looked at Mensa members >first. Unfortunately there are much fewer 'low IQ' charts in the >databank. > >There seems to be a plethora of these charts however amongst modern >politicians--perhaps they could make up the deficit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, let's use them! (Did you try a category like 'low performance?' I don't know if that category is in ADB or not. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Bettina wrote: > There are a whole lot of data for people with Down's syndrome on > AstroData > Bank. Do you have that? > > > Hi Bettina, I can's find any Down's Syndrome people in the data bank--what am I doing wrong? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Just scroll down to Down's Syndrome or type in dow in the find thingie. .... Bettina Steven Stuckey [shastrakara] Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:05 PM Re: Re: Moon-Mercury/Intelligence? Bettina wrote: > There are a whole lot of data for people with Down's syndrome on > AstroData > Bank. Do you have that? > > > Hi Bettina, I can's find any Down's Syndrome people in the data bank--what am I doing wrong? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Bettina wrote: > Just scroll down to Down's Syndrome or type in dow in the find > thingie. > > Hi Bettina, Thanks, I was trying to access them by the 'filter' method---there is no category for Down's, but it appears they are all under 'low IQ' category. Unfortunately, more than 75% of the charts are a C rating--where either the time or place cannot be verified. I'm only using AA to A ratings, so I can be fairly certain of planetary relationships to angles. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Dang! That's so frustrating. ..... Bettina Steven Stuckey [shastrakara] Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:56 PM Re: Re: Moon-Mercury/Intelligence? Bettina wrote: > Just scroll down to Down's Syndrome or type in dow in the find > thingie. > > Hi Bettina, Thanks, I was trying to access them by the 'filter' method---there is no category for Down's, but it appears they are all under 'low IQ' category. Unfortunately, more than 75% of the charts are a C rating--where either the time or place cannot be verified. I'm only using AA to A ratings, so I can be fairly certain of planetary relationships to angles. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Not to worry, maybe we can rescue some of those " Cs " to show and tell. I used to read them much better when we called them by their rightful name ....Mongoloids. It might take a sec. Dark*Star Bettina wrote: > Dang! That's so frustrating. > > > Just scroll down to Down's Syndrome or type in dow in the find > > thingie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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