Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 The legal scare by Ritalin is still a threat in NY and elsewhere so it is quite contemporary. But there is a radical protocol involving diet and exercise that works. Again, there is no test that signifies ADD, only a doctor's signature is required and his thinking has been shaped, forced by the drug industry. Children are being 'diagnosed' with ADD everyday and will continue to be so. You should know that US News Report publishes approved medical byline Dark*Star Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 10:28 PM 4/27/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote: > > > > >There still is no test which will diagnose ADD and ADHD. > > Not true, as a child in my family has recently been diagnoses with ADHD. > It's very obvious what the behavioral pattern is. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Hello everyone, The Astrodatabank has 10 charts listed in the AA to A birth data category of persons with either ADD or ADHD. Throwing these charts into Jig Saw statistical software and looking at 9 aspects: conjunction, opposition, trine, square, sextile, semi-square, sesquis-square, semi-sextile, and quincunx for planets Moon through Saturn and including the Nodes shows: 1. With a 3* orb across the board--Moon/Mars appears as number 1 (showing in 60% of charts). With the same orb, Mercury/Mars, Sun Uranus, Saturn/Node, Node/Ascendant, Sun/Jupiter, and Moon/Venus appear next in 50% of charts. 2. With a 4* orb--Mercury/Mars is number 1 (showing in 80% of charts), followed by Moon/Mars, Sun/Uranus, and Node/Ascendant in 70% of charts. Taking all planets and angles together, points occupy Sagittarius most often (even if we exclude the outer planets).--50% of charts have Mercury in Sag. Obviously the above can't be taken too seriously as we are only looking at 10 charts, and although I am not one that necessarily believes in a statistical approach to astrology, the results are interesting none the less. Mars may have an effect here on 'over' stimulating the mental faculties and nervous system (represented by the Moon and Mercury). The Node's connection to the ascendant suggests troubles in diagnosis as well as 'other worldly' influences on the body. Exercise may help the condition by way of keeping Mars occupied with the physical body, as opposed to a sedentary life where it may overwork the nervous system. Walks in nature may similarly attract helpful nature 'spirits' that help protect the body on a subtle level as the Node/Ascendant may open a person up to outside negative psychic influence--perhaps aura cleansing, surrounding oneself with plants and burning some sage may help--if the subtle approach to health is considered. Later today I will put out similar results on the question of intelligence and astrologers with a much larger data base. Best., Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Amen, DS. Couldn't agree more. The drug industry profits from the creation of each new malady. Which is not to say that people aren't suffering from sensory overstimulation and consequent distraction, etc -- it's a product on the modern world. But there are ways are addressing it other than pathologizing it. Chris - " Dark Star " <pansophia Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:37 PM Re: Re: ADHD > > The legal scare by Ritalin is still a threat in NY and elsewhere so it is quite > > contemporary. But there is a radical protocol involving diet and > exercise that works. Again, there is no test that signifies > ADD, only a doctor's signature is required and his thinking > has been shaped, forced by the drug industry. Children are > being 'diagnosed' with ADD everyday and will continue to be so. > You should know that US News Report publishes approved > medical byline > > Dark*Star > > Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > At 10:28 PM 4/27/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote: > > > > > > > >There still is no test which will diagnose ADD and ADHD. > > > > Not true, as a child in my family has recently been diagnoses with ADHD. > > It's very obvious what the behavioral pattern is. > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Chris, I sometimes remove the minor aspects to cut down on the background noise, but usually have to re-introduce to catch some elemental connection, i.e., Hitler's Sun semi-sextile Neptune-Pluto...without which not. Dark*Star Christopher Kevill wrote: > You might want to take a time-based orb (+/- 3 days or 1 day, etc) instead > to level the playing field, or omit the minor aspects altogether. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Steve thanks again for tinkering away for our collective benefit. I wonder about applying a 3 orb for all these different aspects. Doesnt' make sense to me why you would equate a 3 degree trine orb with a 3 degree semisextile orb. In your scenario, the minor aspects will be overrepresented because they occur more frequently. You might want to take a time-based orb (+/- 3 days or 1 day, etc) instead to level the playing field, or omit the minor aspects altogether. Chris - " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:25 AM Re: Re: ADHD > Hello everyone, > > > The Astrodatabank has 10 charts listed in the AA to A birth data > category of persons with either ADD or ADHD. Throwing these charts into > Jig Saw statistical software and looking at 9 aspects: conjunction, > opposition, trine, square, sextile, semi-square, sesquis-square, > semi-sextile, and quincunx for planets Moon through Saturn and including > the Nodes shows: > > 1. With a 3* orb across the board--Moon/Mars appears as number 1 > (showing in 60% of charts). > With the same orb, Mercury/Mars, Sun Uranus, Saturn/Node, > Node/Ascendant, Sun/Jupiter, and Moon/Venus appear next in 50% of charts. > > 2. With a 4* orb--Mercury/Mars is number 1 (showing in 80% of charts), > followed by Moon/Mars, Sun/Uranus, and Node/Ascendant in 70% of charts. > > > Taking all planets and angles together, points occupy Sagittarius most > often (even if we exclude the outer planets).--50% of charts have > Mercury in Sag. > > > Obviously the above can't be taken too seriously as we are only looking > at 10 charts, and although I am not one that necessarily believes in a > statistical approach to astrology, the results are interesting none the > less. Mars may have an effect here on 'over' stimulating the mental > faculties and nervous system (represented by the Moon and Mercury). > The Node's connection to the ascendant suggests troubles in diagnosis as > well as 'other worldly' influences on the body. > Exercise may help the condition by way of keeping Mars occupied with the > physical body, as opposed to a sedentary life where it may overwork the > nervous system. > Walks in nature may similarly attract helpful nature 'spirits' that help > protect the body on a subtle level as the Node/Ascendant may open a > person up to outside negative psychic influence--perhaps aura cleansing, > surrounding oneself with plants and burning some sage may help--if the > subtle approach to health is considered. > > Later today I will put out similar results on the question of > intelligence and astrologers with a much larger data base. > > > Best., > > Steve > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Christopher Kevill wrote: > Steve > > thanks again for tinkering away for our collective benefit. > > I wonder about applying a 3 orb for all these different aspects. Doesnt' > make sense to me why you would equate a 3 degree trine orb with a 3 degree > semisextile orb. In your scenario, the minor aspects will be > overrepresented because they occur more frequently. > > You might want to take a time-based orb (+/- 3 days or 1 day, etc) instead > to level the playing field, or omit the minor aspects altogether. Hi Chris, I applied the results of 5* to 2* orbs because Jig Saw shows all aspects together--I could separate out the results I think, but this would be immensly time consuming. Certainly semi-sextiles and others should not be in the same category as oppositons, squares etc as far as orbs. I'll work on it, maybe there is a way to do it--I'm not completely familiar with the software yet and it's capabilities but I can never tire of complimenting the people at Esoteric Technologies who made this and Solar Fire/Solar Maps possible. Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Steve Yeah, it's probably not worth the hassle in any event. Maybe just first run the correlation using major aspects and say 3 degrees orb. Then redo the correlation using minor smaller aspects and look for similarities and differences. The problem with small aspects like 30 and 45 degrees is that a 3 degree orb is going to get way more hits than trines and oppositions and thereby skew the data. So for example, 3* orb for trine = 3/120 = 2.5% 3* orb for semisextile = 3/30 = 10% To make these equal weighting, you would need to reduce the semisextile orb down to 0.75* or expand the trine orb to 12*. Personally, I would reduce the minor aspect. It also follows from the above situation, that for conjunctions you would use 9* orb (3x3). It's all about probability in the end. Chris - " Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:08 AM Re: Re: ADHD > > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > > > Steve > > > > thanks again for tinkering away for our collective benefit. > > > > I wonder about applying a 3 orb for all these different aspects. Doesnt' > > make sense to me why you would equate a 3 degree trine orb with a 3 degree > > semisextile orb. In your scenario, the minor aspects will be > > overrepresented because they occur more frequently. > > > > You might want to take a time-based orb (+/- 3 days or 1 day, etc) instead > > to level the playing field, or omit the minor aspects altogether. > > > Hi Chris, > > I applied the results of 5* to 2* orbs because Jig Saw shows all aspects > together--I could separate out the results I think, but this would be > immensly time consuming. Certainly semi-sextiles and others should not > be in the same category as oppositons, squares etc as far as orbs. > I'll work on it, maybe there is a way to do it--I'm not completely > familiar with the software yet and it's capabilities but I can never > tire of complimenting the people at Esoteric Technologies who made this > and Solar Fire/Solar Maps possible. > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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