Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 List Members: Because sidereal astrologers continue to point to Donald Bradley's weather research to support the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa and sidereal ingress charts (Jupiter near the angles for greater rainfall), I decided to perform a simple exercise this morning. Here in the mountains in the last two weeks we've had record precipitation, several feet of snow and cold, with nighttime temperatures dropping to around 10 degrees F. So I set up four cyclic charts for this location: The Fagan-Bradley Libra ingress, the Krishnamurti Libra ingress, the New Moon chart in December and the Tropical Capricorn Ingress--that is, the exact time of the winter solstice. Here are the results from worst to best: (1) Fagan-Bradley Libra Ingress: Ascendant 0 53 Libra; Sun 00 00 Libra (Sun is hot and dry); Jupiter is in the middleground at 15 Leo 57. (2) Krishnamurti Libra Ingress: Ascendant 1 44 Libra; Sun 00 00 Libra; Jupiter 16 Leo 45. (This chart is just as bad as #1.) (3) New Moon chart, December 23, 2003: Ascendant 25 49 Virgo; Jupiter 24 52 Leo; (Here Jupiter is rising on the cusp of the equal 12th house. Jupiter would have been visible in the eastern sky since this is a night chart (1:42:54 a.m.) There are no other planets close to the ascendant. Saturn is in the 10th squaring the ascendant. This could indicate greater than usual cold but has nothing to do with precipitation. (4) Tropical Capricorn Ingress Chart (Winter Solstice): Ascendant 23 36 Leo; Jupiter 24 50 Leo!! This chart wins hands down. Confirmed siderealist (Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa) Matthew Quellas has said that these Tropical ingress charts seem to work, though he wouldn't expect them to. Remember--these charts are for the cyclic positions of the earth in relation to the Sun and have nothing at all to do with signs of the zodiac per se. If every astrologer who regularly reads posts on this list would experiment with the four ingress charts above (perhaps substituting the Lahiri ingress for Krishnamurti) for the weather conditions in their own locale, we'd learn a great deal! This would be some very easy cooperative research which should interest everyone. We could also track extreme weather conditions in other parts of the world. All in retrospect, of course. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Therese, The attitude you are presenting here is most admirable. Thumbs up for your suggestion for open-minded research! Risto V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Therese, Jupiter's name in Latin tells it all: JUPPITER PLUVIUS (rain). but we shall indulge your request ~ let's just don't blinker tropical janus always looked both ways so that gives us 25 more days Dark*Star Therese Hamilton wrote: > List Members: > > Because sidereal astrologers continue to point to Donald Bradley's weather > research to support the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa and sidereal ingress charts > (Jupiter near the angles for greater rainfall), I decided to perform a > simple exercise this morning. Here in the mountains in the last two weeks > we've had record precipitation, several feet of snow and cold, with > nighttime temperatures dropping to around 10 degrees F. > > So I set up four cyclic charts for this location: The Fagan-Bradley Libra > ingress, the Krishnamurti Libra ingress, the New Moon chart in December and > the Tropical Capricorn Ingress--that is, the exact time of the winter > solstice. > > Here are the results from worst to best: > > (1) Fagan-Bradley Libra Ingress: Ascendant 0 53 Libra; Sun 00 00 Libra (Sun > is hot and dry); Jupiter is in the middleground at 15 Leo 57. > > (2) Krishnamurti Libra Ingress: Ascendant 1 44 Libra; Sun 00 00 Libra; > Jupiter 16 Leo 45. (This chart is just as bad as #1.) > > (3) New Moon chart, December 23, 2003: Ascendant 25 49 Virgo; Jupiter 24 52 > Leo; (Here Jupiter is rising on the cusp of the equal 12th house. Jupiter > would have been visible in the eastern sky since this is a night chart > (1:42:54 a.m.) There are no other planets close to the ascendant. Saturn is > in the 10th squaring the ascendant. This could indicate greater than usual > cold but has nothing to do with precipitation. > > (4) Tropical Capricorn Ingress Chart (Winter Solstice): Ascendant 23 36 > Leo; Jupiter 24 50 Leo!! > > This chart wins hands down. Confirmed siderealist (Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa) > Matthew Quellas has said that these Tropical ingress charts seem to work, > though he wouldn't expect them to. Remember--these charts are for the > cyclic positions of the earth in relation to the Sun and have nothing at > all to do with signs of the zodiac per se. > > If every astrologer who regularly reads posts on this list would experiment > with the four ingress charts above (perhaps substituting the Lahiri ingress > for Krishnamurti) for the weather conditions in their own locale, we'd > learn a great deal! This would be some very easy cooperative research which > should interest everyone. We could also track extreme weather conditions in > other parts of the world. All in retrospect, of course. > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > List Members: > > Because sidereal astrologers continue to point to Donald Bradley's weather > research to support the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa and sidereal ingress charts > (Jupiter near the angles for greater rainfall), I decided to perform a > simple exercise this morning. Here in the mountains in the last two weeks > we've had record precipitation, several feet of snow and cold, with > nighttime temperatures dropping to around 10 degrees F. ------------------ Therese and List members: I think it's important to point out here that Bradley's rainfall studies used the sidereal CapLunar ingresses, not the solar ingresses. If you look at the two Rainfall articles in the sidereal.zip file, you can get the bones of what he was doing. Sidereal.zip is available at the Western Sidereal Netwook site http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html He points out the angular contacts of Jupiter for above average precipitation, Venus particularly at the MC, and Moon particularly at IC -- the " wet " planets. But he also points out that each geographical area has its own weather characteristics, so his statistics may not be applicable elsewhere in the world. Bradley did mention use of the equinox and solstice charts as temperature charts for the season. Traditional astrometeorology looks at the fourth house and its ruler, planets therein, aspects to them; then the first house; thirdly angular planets; and finally the Sun itself and its aspects. Of course, most of the traditional material is tropical. Timing of temperature changes are supposedly marked by partile transits to the Ascendant for locale. I've worked with the sidereal Cardinal solar ingresses for over a decade, with emphasis on the CapSolar as the framework for the year. A couple of articles can be seen at www.astrologyworldonline.com for an outline of techniques I have found useful with them. Sidereally yours, Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 At 12:06 AM 1/8/04 -0000, Matthew Quellas wrote: > >I think it's important to point out here that Bradley's rainfall >studies used the sidereal CapLunar ingresses, not the solar ingresses. Matthew, Hi!! We finally got your attention! Caplunar ingresses: This then is the entry of the Moon into sidereal Capricorn each month? (Several list members who post here seem to know more about Jyotish than the western sidereal system.) >If you look at the two Rainfall >articles in the sidereal.zip file, >you can get the bones of what he was doing. Matthew, could you possibly copy these articles and post them on this site? We're not all into downloading and unzipping files. I didn't know those articles were there. >He points out the angular contacts of Jupiter for above average >precipitation, Venus particularly >at the MC, and Moon particularly at IC -- the " wet " planets. But he >also points out that each geographical area has its own weather characteristics, so his >statistics may not be applicable elsewhere in the world. What locale did Bradley use for his research? The research would have had to be location specific. This is the first time I've heard of Bradley using Venus and the Moon along with Jupiter. That makes sense. The (Tropical) Capricorn ingress chart for my own heavily wet mountain area this month does have the Moon at the nadir, about three degrees from squaring the ascendant. This is the chart that has Jupiter a degree from the ascendant. Jupiter and the ascendant happen to be in a lunar mansion (27 Indian nakshatra division) of Venus. >Bradley did mention use of the equinox and solstice charts as >temperature charts for the season. That's encouraging because they seem to work. However the solstice chart for this area doesn't have a cold indication planet (Saturn and/or ??) aspecting an angle. >I've worked with the sidereal Cardinal solar ingresses for over a >decade, with emphasis on the CapSolar as the framework for the year. A couple of articles can be seen at www.astrologyworldonline.com for an outline of techniques I have >found useful with them. I'd like to discuss these articles and your techniques in a separate post. Matthew, we'd all appreciate seeing Bradley's weather articles if you can post them. They'd give us a basis for discussion. Thanks, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > At 12:06 AM 1/8/04 -0000, Matthew Quellas wrote: > Caplunar ingresses: This then is the entry of the Moon into sidereal > Capricorn each month? (Several list members who post here seem to know more > about Jyotish than the western sidereal system.) ------------- Yes, Moon entering sidereal Capricorn each month. ------------- > >If you look at the two Rainfall > >articles in the sidereal.zip file, > >you can get the bones of what he was doing. > > Matthew, could you possibly copy these articles and post them on this site? > We're not all into downloading and unzipping files. I didn't know those > articles were there. -------------- The two Rainfall files are _long_, Therese. Also am not sure about posting copyrighted material. The sidereal.zip file contains about four dozen files of classic sidereal material by Fagan, Bradley, Gleadow. It's well worth the trouble of a download and unzipping. Many files contain more than one article. One of the best sources of sidereal information around. Would also recommend looking at the articles on Sidereal Astrology Home Page www.magee.demon.co.uk/ You would be particularly interested in the Ayanamsha file. Bradley's own comments on determining the SVP are there, along with a historical article by Gary Duncan,another early mathematical siderealist who has not received the attention of Bradley or Fagan. -------------- > > >also points out that each geographical area has its own weather > characteristics, so his > >statistics may not be applicable elsewhere in the world. > > What locale did Bradley use for his research? The research would have had > to be location specific. ------------ The rainfall data came from weather stations all across the US, literally thousands of single entries. ------------ Dark*Star, don't be snide. Sidereally yours, Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 At 11:10 AM 1/8/04 -0000, Matthew Quellas wrote: >(Bradley's) rainfall data came from weather stations all across the US, >literally thousands of single entries. I am still not clear on what Bradley did with this data. He could not have set up thousands of horoscopes. Can you tell us in simple English (which you are good at without resorting to Bradley's emotionally flavored rhetoric) how he managed this data? One interesting point that Bradley made in one of the articles you recommended is that there will be plenty of times when the weather picture won't show up in the ingress charts. Instead he noted that statistical probablility over many cases was higher than chance with the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa. So it's the same problem astrologers are still facing: One case or several cases does not prove much of anything. An entire field of cases needs to be studied and then other studies have to replicate the findings before they're considered to be solid. It's too bad we can't try to replicate Bradley's research as it's not right out there for us to study. Matthew, I hope you understand it all better than I do! One or two of Bradley's articles mentioned a graph, but it wasn't in the articles. Do you happen to have the graph(s)--the diagrams--Bradley was talking about? Thanks, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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