sidereal expression through tropical signs

[Guest guest]

I've been hearing a lot in here lately about how sidereal qualities

have become associated with the tropical signs due to the discrepency

between the two. It's possible that i'm reading things wrong, but

i'm not quite understanding how that could be.

 

The way i figure it there are roughly two possibilities here. Either

over the time that the gap between sidereal and tropical signs has

been growing, the tropical astrologers have associated the traits of

the sidereal signs into their readings of the tropical ones. Thus

sidereal cancer becomes tropical leo, not only mathematically but in

expression as well. If this were the case then I would think that

the readings of tropical astrologers over time would have remained

accurate over this span which i do not believe to be true.

 

The other possibility is that for the tropical astrologer leo is still

leo and they are not influenced by the sidereal cancer underlying the

tropical leo. So the same qualities assigned to leo in a.d. 1 are

those which you would read in tropical texts today. I believe this

to be more the case, such that it is possible to get a more or less

accurate reading of a sidereal position by reading the tropical text.

 

Of course the truth is probably somewhere in between. But I think it

is closer to the latter. I'd love to hear comments on this.

[Guest guest]

People always have a way of twisting things to sound the way they want them

to be. Astrologers are no exception. For example, because the Sun is

radiant and bright, Tropical Leos get the rep of liking attention and being

(in extreme cases) ostentatious. But as the ruler of Sidereal Leo, the Sun

is self sufficient and autonomous and doesn't really need encouragement or

praise from others to feel whole. Those are the traits of the pure Sidereal

Leo. The Moon, on the other hand, feels insecure without praise and

encouragement.

 

I've read in Tropical astrology books that folks with Cancer rising have

round faces because the Moon is round. Like the other planets aren't round

too? I've never known a person with Tropical Cancer rising with a perfectly

round face. It's just a case of expecting or hoping that reality will fit

into a preconceived notion.

 

The only thing you or anyone can do is observe the people you know so that

conclusions can be drawn. If you know, say, 12 people with Sun in Leo, note

what traits they have in common.

 

 

....Bettina

 

 

sheeptribe1 [sheeptribe1]

Monday, April 12, 2004 5:47 AM

sidereal expression through tropical signs

 

 

 

I've been hearing a lot in here lately about how sidereal qualities

have become associated with the tropical signs due to the discrepency

between the two. It's possible that i'm reading things wrong, but

i'm not quite understanding how that could be.

 

The way i figure it there are roughly two possibilities here. Either

over the time that the gap between sidereal and tropical signs has

been growing, the tropical astrologers have associated the traits of

the sidereal signs into their readings of the tropical ones. Thus

sidereal cancer becomes tropical leo, not only mathematically but in

expression as well. If this were the case then I would think that

the readings of tropical astrologers over time would have remained

accurate over this span which i do not believe to be true.

 

The other possibility is that for the tropical astrologer leo is still

leo and they are not influenced by the sidereal cancer underlying the

tropical leo. So the same qualities assigned to leo in a.d. 1 are

those which you would read in tropical texts today. I believe this

to be more the case, such that it is possible to get a more or less

accurate reading of a sidereal position by reading the tropical text.

 

Of course the truth is probably somewhere in between. But I think it

is closer to the latter. I'd love to hear comments on this.

 

 

 

 

 

" How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

 

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[Guest guest]

At 12:46 PM 4/12/04 -0000, Sheeptribe wrote:

>...

>The other possibility is that for the tropical astrologer leo is still

>leo and they are not influenced by the sidereal cancer underlying the

>tropical leo. So the same qualities assigned to leo in a.d. 1 are

>those which you would read in tropical texts today... such that it is

possible to get a more or less accurate reading of a sidereal position by

reading the tropical text.

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This doesn't make a whole lot of sense because if you view signs as

measurements of ecliptic space, each degree or each sign having its own

influence, this would be sort of double-talk or 'double-space,' as if the

ecliptic would hand out traits in whatever zodiac you're looking into. That

would mean that each zodiac area would have two contradictory meanings.

" You want Pepsi? Great, here's some Pepsi. You want cherry soda? O.K.

Here's some cherry soda. " What's actually in the vending machine? Pepsi or

cherry soda?

 

The logical truth has to be that each area of the ecliptic has certain

influences on the planets, so the real question is, " In which area of the

ecliptic does the Sun behave more like itself, Tropical or Sidereal Leo? "

But first you have to get a handle on what the Sun is like. The same for

the Moon and all the other planets. Starting with what they observe about

the signs, Tropical astrology has made the mistake of attaching some bogus

meanings to the planets. I've tried to show this here:

 

http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/apolar1.htm

 

The oldest Hellenistic texts didn't give meanings to areas of the eclptic.

They simply noted that a planet would be influenced in such-and-such a way

by being in a particular sign of the zodiac. So is the Moon more like

itself in sidereal or Tropical Cancer, for example? But first....Just how

does the Moon mannifest in astrology? How do we isolate how the Moon

behaves? For starters, we can take the Moon on an angle in the horoscope

for real people. That's what I've done in the article above.

 

Sincerely,

Therese