Multiple Births

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" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

 

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:24 AM

Re: Multiple Births

 

 

> At 11:51 AM 12/2/03 -0800, Chris wrote:

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> >Right, I follow a mostly vedic method so I do this too. I think D60 is

the

> >most common varga chart used to these cases -- I try to avoid it myself

due

> >to the inexactness of the birth time. Trouble is most astrologers (vedic

or

> >otherwise) don't bother to use these methods when twins AREN'T involved

and

> >yet if the same karmic rules are in place for all births, then surely

they

> >ought to be followed.

>

> Perhaps the only way to attempt to study these divisional charts is with

> groups of charts, all of which share something similar in life. If they do

> indeed work, eventually they could be used for rectification.

 

Right. And yet even with well-timed births such as twins, where at least

the second time will likely be very accurate, it is so easy to get the time

wrong. And if the time is wrong even by a minute, then the ascendant of the

D60 chart is thrown into doubt. I find the that situation to be unworkable

since no time is that accurate. And even if it is, one still enters into

the thorny issue of when karma starts. In some cases, I think the soul may

not enter the person at the time of the first breath. Nobody can prove this

sort of thing either way, so that is another source of error.

 

>

> >And even when one consults divisional charts, one has

> >to increase the importance of the vargas to account for the often huge

> >differences in life trajectories. Normally, divisionals are considered a

> >supplementary technique. Maybe that approach needs revising.

>

> In my own experience, I don't think it's possible to correctly interpret a

> natal chart without at least the navmasa. The navamsa 'houses' (signs) and

> aspects do seem to matter a lot, and also how exact the natal to navamsa

> crossovers are. Somehow the relevant divisional charts have to fit

> correctly into the natal chart. How can the natal chart tell us everything

> when one ascendant lasts for approximately two hours, not to mention the

> positions of the Moon and other planets? Everything is compounded by the

> inexactness of birth times.

>

 

I agree navamsha is important and often it DOES reveal critical differences

in the lives of twins. While I have been playing around with the notion of

the cross-over or overlay charts, I have yet to find a systematic template

for them. There are usually appropriate hits in charts of extremes (no

kids, no marriage, or super high status careers of celebrities), but finding

a methodical approach to them to assess planetary and house strength remains

elusive. What is your experience with them?

 

> >It's funny how awareness of the twin problem is often brought about by

the

> >closeness of it in our lives. Close friends of mine are twins so I've

had

> >to think carefully about their charts. they are very different people on

> >different paths but share the same natal chart. they were born 25

minutes

> >apart, which although large by twin standards, still gives them the same

> >natal chart. One is forced to go into the divisionals, or midpoints, etc

to

> >ferret out some significant differences. My question is: should we only

be

> >going to this Plan B for twins? I don't think so.

>

> We need Plan B at the beginning... I see the natal chart as only a very

> broad brush stroke. It all brings us back to the inevitable--astrology is

> still in its infancy.

 

Hear, hear!

 

Chris

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> Therese

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