Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/2004 3:17:57 PM Central Standard Time, eastwest writes: > K.N. Rao uses the Lahiri ayanamsa which was determined by the Indian > government. As a matter of fact, Donald Bradley/Garth Allen used Spica as > the fiducial star in SOLAR AND LUNAR RETURNS frist published in 1948. The > Lahiri value uses Spica as the fiducial star Therese: As usual, a knowledgeable and farily-put contribution. Happy new year! /// wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 At 06:35 PM 1/1/04 +0000, HariOm Tatwari wrote: >...Neither...Dr. B. V. Raman or Mr. Krishnamurthi or K.N.Rao holds any authority in determining ayanamsa degree! K.N. Rao uses the Lahiri ayanamsa which was determined by the Indian government. As a matter of fact, Donald Bradley/Garth Allen used Spica as the fiducial star in SOLAR AND LUNAR RETURNS frist published in 1948. The Lahiri value uses Spica as the fiducial star. >Sh Nirmal Chandra Lahiri, M.A. had been undoubtedly holding an authority...Former Member, International Astronomical Union (Paris), Former Secretary, Calendar Reform Committee (Government of India), Former Office-in-charge, Nautical Almanac Unit (Government Of India) for determining acceptable Ayanamsa but, in a country like India Astrologers are busy with prediction, and are not sincere in coming together and be ready with their predictive instict to participate in the cause of computing a universal value of Ayanamsa for the welfare of comming generations! Everyone knows that we need some way to test and verify the ayanamsa. You have pointed out the problem. Now what solution and techniques do you advise to accomplish this test? How would you test and verify an ayanamsa? At this time the Lahiri ayanamsa has the most scholarly research backing it up, which is why the majority of Indian astrologers have adopted that ayanamsa. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Thanks, Chris! And a Happy New Year to you! (Now if I could only get the 'happy' part down...) Blessings, Therese At 06:50 PM 1/2/04 EST, cpwing wrote: > >Therese: As usual, a knowledgeable and farily-put contribution. Happy new >year! /// wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hi Therese, Nothing would be accomplished. Don't you know that every village in India has it's own ayanamsha?...I was told that by a Hindu who had written some books...it must be admitted that we had a little wine first. What we could do is go over and sink wells for a good supply of fresh water for countless little villages -- there, but especially in Africa where most cases of so called AIDS are nothing more than poor nutrition and bad health resulting from drinking bad water that mimic the same symptoms The medical authorities know this but they stand to receive larger grants for the inflated figures.The French as bad as the Americans. In stateside AIDS chart the first thing I look for is anguish --often Saturn-Neptunes. What do you find in yours? We will never be able to check out just how Bradley 'proved' Fagan's Spica fiducial was just slightly 'wrong' because all that has been lost. So let's run with the ayanashas we got. Charts are begging, crying to be read! Dark*Star Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 06:35 PM 1/1/04 +0000, HariOm Tatwari wrote: > > >...Neither...Dr. B. V. Raman or Mr. Krishnamurthi or K.N.Rao holds any > authority in determining ayanamsa degree! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Determining a value of ayanamsa must not be reliable if it comes from the end of any predictive astrologer ! It is a very delicate matter to be decided by research work from a genuine group of Astronomical-mathematicians only ! Beware & don't invite those believing in trail & error methods, that too, unscietifically ! " Until 1957, when the government decided to put an end to this colossal confusion, about 30 different calendars were being used for arriving at the dates of various religious festivals among Hindus, Buddhist and Jains. These calendars were mostly based on the astronomical practices of local priests and " kalnirnayaks " or calendar makers. In addition, the Muslims followed the Islamic calendar, and the Gregorian calendar was used for administrative purposes by the government. India's National Calendar The current national calendar of India was set up in 1957 by the Calendar Reform Committee that formalized a lunisolar calendar in which leap years coincide with those of the Gregorian calendar, and the months are named after the traditional Indian months [see table]. This reformed Indian calendar began with Saka Era, Chaitra 1, 1879, which corresponds to March 22, 1957. " average_man_of_average-caliber ============================== Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: As a matter of fact, Donald Bradley/Garth Allen used Spica as the fiducial star in SOLAR AND LUNAR RETURNS frist published in 1948. The Lahiri value uses Spica as the fiducial star. Everyone knows that we need some way to test and verify the ayanamsa. You have pointed out the problem. Now what solution and techniques do you advise to accomplish this test? How would you test and verify an ayanamsa? At this time the Lahiri ayanamsa has the most scholarly research backing it up, which is why the majority of Indian astrologers have adopted that ayanamsa. Sincerely, Therese Enjoy some peaceful moment by visiting <http://www.godsadvice.com> India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 At 11:00 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >Hi Therese, > >Nothing would be accomplished. Don't you know that every village >in India has it's own ayanamsha?...I was told that by a Hindu who had >written some books...it must be admitted that we had a little wine first. Hi Dark*Star, Maybe it was true once that every Indian village had its own ayanamsa, but in the last few years computers have made their way into even the smaller villages. With the all-to-common illegal copying of astrological software, I expect that the majority of Indians who call themselves astrologers are using one of the standard ayanamsas. >...there, but especially in Africa where >most cases of so called AIDS are nothing more than poor nutrition and >bad health resulting from drinking bad water that mimic the same >symptoms... I'm not sure about that since promiscuity is so common in Africa. Wouldn't those AIDS like symptoms have been around for a long time, long before AIDS was discovered, since bad drinking water and poor nutrition are common in India, Africa, and many other countries as well? >In stateside AIDS chart the first thing I look for is anguish --often >Saturn-Neptunes. What do you find in yours? I've concentrated on the physical causes and symptoms rather than the emotional trauma. That would be the immune system and the depleted condition of the body. I have a lot of AIDS charts. I pulled them out of my files, but they're in a format that is now difficult for me to read--some hand drawn charts and some charts from older astrological programs like NOVA. (How did we ever read those charts?) I'll have to print out some charts from ADB as a way to remember what I found. I'll get back to this topic later. Sorry about the delay. I believe that I studied the condition of the Moon. >We will never be able to check out just how Bradley 'proved' Fagan's >Spica fiducial was just slightly 'wrong' because all that has been lost. Do you mean that all his research is nowhere to be found? If we're talking weather research, we have that at our fingertips every day. For example, we've just had about five feet of snow here in the mountains. That should be high precipitation, no? Before that there were seveal weeks of heavy rainfall. Then other areas of the world are suffering from no rainfall at all. But I don't know of a single astrologer who is studying weather patterns at different locales on the earth. >So let's run with the ayanashas we got. Charts are begging, crying to be read! Yes, but how much can we be sure of without the divisional charts? There are only two ways to differentiate between births taking place at approximately the same time or horoscopes that have many similarities between them: divisional charts like the navamsa (novien) and midpoints. Personally I can't get with the midpoints. The divisional charts and how they interact with the natal chart will be wrong if the ayanamsa is wrong. Actually AIDS charts are a wonderful way to compare ayanamsas. I'll see what I can do. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > Actually AIDS charts are a wonderful way to compare ayanamsas. Two somewhat better methods come to mind: 1) Find people with significant objects--the luminaries or angular planets--in the first or last degree of a sign, and see whether their personality and behavior are more consistent with one sign or the other. 2) For natural disasters (and even mundane weather), take the solar and lunar ingress charts and see which ayanamsa demonstrates the most significant correlation between planet angularity and the event. (This is how the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa was developed, as you no doubt know.) Using GRID charts would depend on finding a clear-cut astrological signature for the disease; the correlation between angular planets at the cardinal ingresses and natural disasters and the correlation between Sun/Moon signs and personality have been demonstrated far more significantly. Jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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