Angularity and Election 2000

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At 08:29 PM 5/29/03 -0700, Richard wrote:

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>Therese,

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>No return locale can die out in favor of another return locale...They are

all so hugely beautiful in their operation...a Mercury-Jupiter helps, any

aspect (you probably have a major or minor)...to appreciate their sheer

breadth.

 

Hi Richard,

 

No, I don't have a Mercury-Jupiter contact unless it's hidden away in

obscure midpoints. so let's see what I can do with your post. Digging out

my GW criminal files:

 

>As an example let's take George Bush in the 2000 election:

>1. SSR New Haven...Uranus on MC ~ Gonna be President!

 

I don't think I would interpret Uranus that way, especially since GW and

company KNEW he was going to be president no matter how the American people

voted. However...

 

The New Haven return also has natal Uranus and Rahu on the SR ascendant.

Now with western sidereal rules I'm not sure how this double Uranus would

be interpreted. If you take Jyotish concepts, Rahu (and Uranus) are in the

11th natal house, so this puts the beneficial natal 11th planets on the

ascendant. Rahu is a shady 'planet.' Astrology shows criminal activities,

even if Bush & Co. think they got away with something.

 

The most striking angular planet in this chart is the Moon at the nadir

only 8 minutes from the ascendant degree/minute. This Moon conjoins natal

Mars, 10th lord, but the orb is wider than siderealists might want to

consider important: about 7 degrees.

 

>2. SSR Crawford...Jupiter-Saturn crowd their midpoint ASC.

 

I'm not getting this. I have an 18 Aries asc with Neptune at 12 Capricorn,

and Jup/Sat settling into the 2nd house. This chart looks like a loser to

me, except that all GW's natal 1st house planets are in the 4th, conj. the

nadir/IC. Ketu (loss) is also conjunct the MC. No, I don't read this as a

winning chart.

 

>3. SSR Washington...The tight conjunction of Sun-Mercury-Mars which were

just

>wishy-washy in the 2nd and 2nd,3rd of the other two returns simply must

somehow

>go prominent. Here (Placidian) they fill the 1st house with a royal

sextile from

>Moon in the 4th house ~ Gonna be President!

 

I have that conjunction well into the 2nd house. What I've got is Jupiter

in the foreground (above the asc) opposed by Pluto in partile aspect to the

ascendant (2 minutes). Ah!! Here it is. The Moon is again angular in the

4th conjunct natal Mars, but this time the degree on the nadir is 16Le58.

Natal Mars? 16Le18!! Mars, 10th house natal lord for those who use house

lords. Mars is the greatest benefic for Bush's Cancer asendant since it

also rules the 5th. So here is the lie that benefits don't happen with

angular malefics. I need to organize my few hundred examples of how house

lords work in return charts.

 

I think it was a very early post on this list which said that she (I think

it was a she) found planets conjunct the nadir more telling that those

conjunct the IC. Of course the nadir is a secondary angle, but generally

astrologers give more emphasis to the IC.

 

>Actually even before looking at the above I made preliminary judgement from

>Barbara Bush's chart for the day _after election. Good ol' Barbara couldn't

>conceal her great happiness in knowing the whys and wherefores of

something we

>couldn't possibly know. Yet.

 

Brilliant deduction!! Using Barbara's chart.

 

Thanks for your contribution on return charts, Richard. Strange--if I

question a western sidereal doctrine, there will be some defensive

responses from list members. But if I ask for clarification, the only

response is from astrologers who tend to accept both zodiacs as valid.

 

Thanks!!

Therese