Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 P.S. The problem with this list is that the diehard western sidereal astrologers don't seem to want to discuss horoscopes and those of us who would like to talk about actual charts don't use the western sidereal system. So I'm wondering why this list even exists?? What do the list owner and oldtimers want to see here? I am surprised, why did not I get any respons when I send you something to read last week? There are several other groups for tropical astrology such as moderate astrology.Why not choose for them Ed? Such list as this I consider to exchange ideas and getting any further in delination and technique, certainly I have no interest for the " talks " produced by Ed Kohout. I have thrown out the tropical zodiac for once and for always as far as possible and have no patience anymore to discuss a zodiac.Farewell! I have to recuperate from the distress to loose a nice opportunity to work together with siderealists. I am tired. For you " happy few " a nice chat together. I quitte. Anny ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Anny Anny Anny! Stop complaining about me and just ignore me if you don't like me!! If you want to discuss charts, go for it! No one is stopping you from doing what you want, and your incessant complaining is pointless and unproductive. Be positive and contribute something of value for chrissake! And, if you have to from a Group, you must do it yourself by following the instructions at the home page. - Ed , " Anny van Berckel " > Why not choose for them Ed? > I have no interest for the " talks " > produced by Ed Kohout. > I have thrown out the tropical zodiac for once and > for always as far as possible and have no patience anymore to discuss a > zodiac.Farewell! I have to recuperate from the distress to loose a nice > opportunity to work together with siderealists. I am tired. > For you " happy few " a nice chat together. I quitte. Anny > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2003 Report Share Posted May 2, 2003 1. The NEW astrology of Ed Kohout " alfonsoosorio " <alfonsoosorio 2. avbdk ______________________ Message: 1 Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:23:07 -0000 " alfonsoosorio " <alfonsoosorio The NEW astrology of Ed Kohout Frankly I have to confess I am perplex after reading the sort of things that are written in this list. >> I agree When I d to this list I thought it was a place to analyze ............... >>I agree; tropicalist would be as much troubled with our remarks at them alike we are now by the remarks of Ed Kohout. The first thought is he never studied astrology ....... He is probably a Paul Schlyters' friend, from Stockholm, but Ed would have known that at the other list " Alt Astrology " , astrologers are calling names at siderealists " rotten fish " . But we siderealists understand it would rebuff them in their imagination of the person's radix concerned discussing them.Astrologers have various charts in mind/memory.It is easier, joining discussions, about the technique of delineation. Never astrologers consider themselves finished with the study. But to differentiate apples and pears, although it is both fruit cost me too much of my energy.I guess also tropicalists'. So we are silent. Maybe I should look for masonic , because probably that can be the place where sidereal charts are discussed. We are living now in the weird world of Garp. >>Masonic groups might be interesting, but I doubt, it will become a succes, because few know about the sidereal zodiac. A friend, a lady astrologer, was a pupil of them and she is a tropicalist.Helas, I discovered that the Institute of Edgar Cayce,who practice astrology, do not know of sidereal zodiac. I thought so, because once I read in his book, that during his precious state of mind, he stated, that the right astrology comes from Perzie. The tropical zodiac they practice and also their retort was as theoretical as always. You probably know. It is quite obvious that Ed Kohout hasn`t take the time to study in depth the hindu astrology and not even the sidereal approach. The way he writes and his simplistic arguments shows his lack of knowledge of both systems. To study them require a long and painstaking intellectual journey. >> Very few in the West start a study in hindu astrology. Neither me to be honest. Indeed I am studying Harmonics and Mooncharts etc etc, but in my way. Indeed they are famous for their delineation, I know, but I approach a sidereal figure as I have taught myself before,with the original concepts, which tropicalists also practice,only they wonder why it is does not work sufficiently, to meet the challenges in research. Thats why faithful and honest astrologers stopped. Just in time I discovered the sidereal approach of astrology.It was just accidently. I entered a bookshop for a certain book to buy, an occasion. It was already sold, so I searched between the new books and discovered a book " interpreting Solarreturns " . Later at home I discovered it was sidereal. However I payed the money for it, so I studied the subject. I joined once the Yottish list, but I could not follow the discussion, because I do not know anything of the terminology. I bought once a book of Hindu astrology;for me I like that better. It is quite a long study and another friend, who a few times had a few lessons, was intensely upset about the differences. One needs to grow into the stuff. A study for many years it is. For youngsters to start with. What I never suspected was that I was going to be a witness of a new astrological theory. >> I guess, Ed is searching for a model to try us in the middle of the road, but it is not possible!!! In astrology a technic is good or not good. My Scorpio Moon is speaking now, I think so. He is skipping everything what causes a dispute between us. " So, now we are seeing each other again, throw away the tools to build the wall between us! " . Ed would better apply for himself the rules once applied the famous humorist Groucho Marx: " I would never belong to a club where they accept me as a member " . >> Yes Groucho Marx. An interesting chart he may have. >> Indeed I know only one sort of technique for astrology. They are the tools of cast a chart (in former times) + the delineation of the chart. Never heard of another model. Can he or somebody use a chart to show how they work? Where are the analysis and predictions made my him with the devices he mentions? >> Did he ever mention a date + time + place? Regards, Anny ---------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 At 06:56 PM 5/2/03 +0200, Anny wrote: > But we siderealists understand it would rebuff them in their >imagination of the person's radix concerned discussing them. It does seem that discussing actual birth charts would be a lot more informative than arguments about the principles of delineation or zodiacs. >Never astrologers consider themselves finished with the study. This is SO true. We learn something new with every new horoscope. Sometimes I think I knew more ten years ago than I know now. >>>Masonic groups might be interesting, but I doubt, it will become >a success, because few know about the sidereal zodiac. Ed Kohout uses the Tropical zodiac on his Masonic site. Masonic astrology isn't so much about zodiacs. It's about the position of actual stars in the sky (rising, setting, culminating, etc.) > It is quite obvious that Ed Kohout hasn`t take the time to study in >depth the Hindu astrology and not even the sidereal approach. Probably not. He can't be blamed, as here in American there is so much snobbery and cult language among the Hindu/Vedic astrologers. When students ask me where they can learn Hindu astrology, I recommend two or three books, but tell them to draw up the charts in the Western style with glyphs. It makes the study much easier. >Just in time I discovered the sidereal approach to astrology. It's been said many times that when an astrologer changes from the Tropical to the Sidereal zodiac, they never switch back, but no one has ever heard of a Sidereal astrologer changing to the Tropical system. I bought once a book of Hindu astrology;for me I like that better. It is quite a long study....One needs to grow into the stuff. A study for many years it is. Yes, it takes a lot of time and the student must wade through all the unfamiliar terminology and mentally change it to English. A lot of trouble. > Can he or somebody use a chart to show how they work? Where are the >analysis and predictions made my him with the devices he mentions? Yes, Anny, practical astrology using REAL horoscopes avoids much of the theoretical conflict. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 , " Anny van Berckel " <avbdk@x> wrote: > >> I guess, Ed is searching for a model to try us in the middle > of the road, No, I am not. >> ...but it is not possible!!! Exactly, which is why I'm not. One more time: Three spheres -- ecliptic, equatorial, local space. Planets and fixed stars tranist within all three. They rise, culminate, set. They make aspects. Now, I have ONE question for y'all: What makes one sidereal zodiac better than another? If any of you are worth your salt, you can explain to me how all of these different " sidereal " zodiacs can be equally useful and valid. (My guess is that you have no idea how *arbitrary* your zodiac's sign- cusps are.) And, then, maybe you can tell me why the Babylonians changed thier zodiac's fiducial a few times over the centuries. My guess is that they wanted it to be closer to the tropical/cardinal reality. - Ed K > >> Yes Groucho Marx. An interesting chart he may have. One would hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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