Guest guest Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 INGRESS CHARTS AND ALDEBARAN/ANTARES IN ANCIENT INDIA There's been some discussion between sidereal and tropical astrologers about the importance of cardinal ingresses. In the Tropical zodiac the ingresses mark the beginnings of the cardinal signs, Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. In the sidereal zodiac, the cardinal signs themselves, especially the Capricorn ingress is taken as paramount. I think maybe the sidereal camp has missed the boat on the importance of the Tropical Ingresses, which doesn't necessarily discount the sidereal ingress charts. (Please don't scream too loud, everyone! Hear me out.) I've just recently bought a book, Kenneth Johnson's MANSIONS OF THE MOON. The second part of this book traces the importance of Aldebaran/Antares in relation to the ancient Indian calendar and Tropical cardinal ingresses. Although India uses the sidereal zodiac, Kenneth Johnson lets us know that the Indian year always began with the vernal equinox. Also it seems that the early Indus Valley sites appear to have been oriented to the four cardinal points. Aldebaran and the Pleiades apparently marked the cardinal points of Mohenjo-Daro, a locale being studied by archaeologist Holder Wanzke. (p. 167) Citing ancient Indian texts which discuss the Red Goddess of Love (Aldebaran) and the Old Wisdom Crone (Antares), and the importance of this polarity, Johnson asks if Aldebaran was the original beginning point of the calendar and of the lunar mansions? He mentions that the Indian epic, the Mahabharata asserts that this is in fact the case, for it speaks of a time before the Pleiadean Calendar when " Rohini was the first. " (p. 168) The vernal equinox occurred in the Rohini mansion (location of Aldebaran) around 3000 BCE. Johnson points out that this date is significant because it marks the virtual beginning of civilization in the Indus Valley. He adds that if Rohini was the original New Year's star, then the lunar mansions date back some 5,000 years before our present era. " Seen as this way, the lunar mansions emerge as a zodiac or calendar of goddesses. " (p. 168) Conclusion: This seems to indicate that the Aldebaran/Antares axis was of great importance at least 5000 years ago in India. These stars seem to have been related to the calendar and the lunar mansions. However, it may be a mistake to believe that these two stars MUST mark the center of SIGNS rather than be markers for lunar mansions. No one argues that the lunar mansions, the stars in the pathway of the Moon, date far earlier than 12 signs of the zodiac. The early zodiac seems to have been something of a hit and miss affair. It's quite logical to assume that the Aldebaran/Antares axis was used as one of the important zodiac markers. However, it's still up to us today to demonstrate the exact zodiacal location of the major fixed stars. As for sidereal ingress into Capricorn, there is no reason why the turning points of the earth in relation to the Sun (Tropical ingresses) shouldn't also be of primary importance. These points don't necessarily have to mark the beginnings of signs, but they are definitely ‘sandhi' or junction/turning points of great importance to those of us who live on the earth. I think that ingress charts need a lot more research and attention. I believe that I mentioned on this list before that if you collect all the charts in which the clairvoyant Edgar Cayce said that the person was born 'on the cusp,' the great majority of these people were born either near an equinox or solstice date. So if considering the Tropical zodiac means only that we shouldn't ignore the cardinal points, then I would agree that this is one way the Tropical perspective can be integrated into the sidereal. This doesn't mean that we have to consider the Tropical signs, only that the key ‘turning points' of the earth are likely to have significance. Indian astrology has always paid attention to these points as they are used as seasonal dividers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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