Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Theresa, On the labour of 12 I will have to work, but in the meantime I might point out the more recent fruits of that labour... 12 signs 12 planets 12 aspects (every 30*s)...of course there are more and the most subtle and vexing, 12 houses. The Draconic Zodiac. R. Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 11:11 PM 4/18/03 -0700, Richard wrote: > > >There are various reasons why the number 12 rules over astrology. > > Richard, if you can find the time, I'd like some elaboration on number 12 > and astrology, since this would relate directly to the zodiac as we have it > today. > > What is your third zodiac? > > Therese > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 At 09:17 PM 4/19/03 -0700, Richard wrote: > >The Draconic Zodiac. Oh, yes....searching through vague Tropical memories....What's the book and author? I forget. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 , Richard <erichardg@e...> wrote: > > Theresa, > > On the labour of 12 I will have to work, but in the meantime I might point out the more > recent fruits of that labour... > 12 signs > 12 planets 12 planets? SO, ME, VE, EARTH, MA, JU, SA, UR, NE, PL That's only 10. > 12 aspects (every 30*s)... What about 45*, 72*, 51*, etc? Or, are you just repeating the number of signs? of course there are more > and the most subtle and vexing, 12 houses. 12-house systems are based directly from 12-sign astrology. The original names for " signs " was " houses. " What is missing from this list is the 12-year cycle of Jupiter. When multiplied with the Saturn cycle of 30 years, we get 360. The Chinese calendar is still based on the 12-year cycle, and with the five elements, a longer cycle of 60 years. Best, Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 Ed, Astrology is such less hassle and works so much better if you simply permit the 12 planets to revolve around the Earth...it's really what they want to do: SU, MO, ME, VE, MA, JU, SA, UR, NE, PL, RAHU, KETU Thanks for the 12 x 30 Jupiter, Saturn = 360...best thing I've read all month. I was " repeating the number of signs. " I use the " 12 " main aspects; also the minor 45 and 135 and all the 15*s. I leave the 72* and 51* to folks (no one says people anymore?) who are looking for material to write new books. The Octoscope enjoyed scant usage even by C.Fagan who was always changing his mind about everything...all the way up to the time he slipped in the tub...as befits 4 planets and MC in tropical Gemini. R. Ed Kohout wrote: > > 12 planets? SO, ME, VE, EARTH, MA, JU, SA, UR, NE, PL > > That's only 10. > > > 12 aspects (every 30*s)... > > What about 45*, 72*, 51*, etc? Or, are you just repeating the number > of signs? > > > > Best, > Ed K > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 At 11:37 PM 4/24/03 -0700, Richard wrote: >Ed, >Astrology is such less hassle and works so much better if you simply permit the 12 planets to revolve around the Earth...it's really what they want to do: > >SU, MO, ME, VE, MA, JU, SA, UR, NE, PL, RAHU, KETU > >Thanks for the 12 x 30 Jupiter, Saturn = 360...best thing I've read all month. >I was " repeating the number of signs. " Richard, Better use the Sanskrit term 'graha' for these planets. Graha means 'capable of gripping or seizing.' Sun, Moon, Rahu and Ketu (the Moon's nodes) aren't planets, but we all know that, don't we? Sometimes the old Sankrit concepts come to the rescue. >everything...all the way up to the time he slipped in the tub...as befits 4 planets and MC in tropical Gemini. Is this how our friend Cyril died? Serious question. Sidereal Taurus is the same as Tropical Gemini. It's the exaltation of the fickle Moon, very changeable and socially inclined. Ruled by Venus. Much of the arts in this sign. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , Richard <erichardg@e...> wrote: > > Ed, > > Astrology is such less hassle and works so much better if you simply permit the 12 planets > to revolve around the Earth...it's really what they want to do: > > SU, MO, ME, VE, MA, JU, SA, UR, NE, PL, RAHU, KETU ah, well, if you put it that way, but 12-sign astrology developed millennia before the discoveries of UR, NE, and PL, which still leaves only 9. Eventually you will discover that 12-sign zodiacs and 12-month years come from the same thinking -- lunar cycles. Best, Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Hi Therese, I trace my dislike of Sanskrit to western Hindu astrologers who seem incapable of making a statement without resorting to its jargon. They strut and display it like bower birds courting a mate. Why can't Guru simply be teacher? And the Indians will almost assure you that God was born on the banks of the Ganges speaking it. Would they just give us leave. Cyril knew he was going and spent a couple months visiting around saying his good-byes, but so discreetly that no one knew until it happened. Then, yes, some remembered that he had said, " there is little time " . I was never either/or and like him both ways...in straight sidereal and in tropical drag. With flexibility, knowledge pours in both ears. I would agree that Sidereal Taurus is so creative because ruled by Venus and the exaltation of the Moon. More important, they have heavenly bodies. Fagan was really the first to insist that the Moon is the source of imagination. Others usually advancing Neptune. R. Therese Hamilton wrote: > > Richard, > > Better use the Sanskrit term 'graha' for these planets. Graha means > 'capable of gripping or seizing.' Sun, Moon, Rahu and Ketu (the Moon's > nodes) aren't planets, but we all know that, don't we? Sometimes the old > Sankrit concepts come to the rescue. > > >everything...all the way up to the time he slipped in the tub...as befits > 4 planets and MC in tropical Gemini. > > Is this how our friend Cyril died? Serious question. Sidereal Taurus is the > same as Tropical Gemini. It's the exaltation of the fickle Moon, very > changeable and socially inclined. Ruled by Venus. Much of the arts in this > sign. > > Therese > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 E. I'm not that emotionally involved with the 13 concept and, yeah...12 good solid Full Moons seen every year for millennia might etch themselves into the fore and back brain as sexigesimal. Nine is the number of prophecy...the number of Sibylline books brought before the emperor. Seven planets were quite enough for the 12 signs since they were divvied out so cleverly. We just added the other 3 as they came into view. Just like there was room for them at the top of the Tree of Life. But still arguments about which planet is in its center. The Sun is obvious, but... I don't remember you as Sidereal. It sure makes the star stuff easy, doesn't it? Was this added within the last year to your repertoire? Was there a Eureka transit or a gentle settling in because practiced over time? R. Ed Kohout wrote: > ah, well, if you put it that way, but 12-sign astrology developed > millennia before the discoveries of UR, NE, and PL, which still > leaves only 9. > > Eventually you will discover that 12-sign zodiacs and 12-month years > come from the same thinking -- lunar cycles. > > Best, > Ed K > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Hi Richard: , Richard <erichardg@e...> wrote: > > E. > > I'm not that emotionally involved with the 13 concept and, yeah...12 good > solid Full Moons seen every year for millennia might etch themselves into the > fore and back brain as sexigesimal. > > Nine is the number of prophecy...the number of Sibylline books brought before > the emperor. Seven planets were quite enough for the 12 signs since they were > divvied out so cleverly. We just added the other 3 as they came into view. > Just like there was room for them at the top of the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was not there to anticipate that we would find two more gas giants and a small planetoid called Pluto. The Tree of Life has 10 sepheroth for other more obvious reasons, one being that 10 is the base of our (and their) numbering system -- not because of astrology. If there were 12 sephiroth, you would be claiming that one was for each sign. But still > arguments about which planet is in its center. The Sun is obvious, but... Jupiter is the planet that controls the orbital dynamics of all the other planets, so there is a case for Jupiter too. However, if the Sun is truly the undisputed center of the cosmos, why not use its nodes for fiducials in a zodiac? After all, we would want to know where the Sun and Earth are according to the interactions of their respected planes and rotations, right? > > I don't remember you as Sidereal. It sure makes the star stuff easy, doesn't > it? Was this added within the last year to your repertoire? Was there a > Eureka transit or a gentle settling in because practiced over time? Well, again, I have no desire to play either/or games with zodiacs. Stars align with more than just the ecliptic; they align with the equatorial sphere and the local space shere as well. The local space sphere is what interests me most in studying mundane. All should be given heed. I have learned much on this list, though, and am very happy to have joined and met you. Very best, Ed K > > R. > > > Ed Kohout wrote: > > > ah, well, if you put it that way, but 12-sign astrology developed > > millennia before the discoveries of UR, NE, and PL, which still > > leaves only 9. > > > > Eventually you will discover that 12-sign zodiacs and 12-month years > > come from the same thinking -- lunar cycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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