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I really don't understand why I write correctly my posting and the

paragraphs are separated, but when I send it to the list it appears

all together. Maybe I need technical assistance in this matter.

 

 

I deliberately chose tropical and placidus domification because they

are the most used.

 

 

My thanks to Therese for rewriting it but it seems she does not read

clearly my writing, something that happens oftenly in the list.

 

 

I had said nth times that a person has the right to use the tropical

zodiac and to be more liberal, even to not believe that astrology

works. I respect and accept that. In my family few persons believe in

it! And many friends that studied with me neither believe in

astrology but anyway they are and will be my friends for the whole

life. I also am not totally sure that it works.

 

But going back to the posting,what I am saying is that there is a

PLACE for doing that, which is the tropical lists. And sorry but in

my case I don`t have any doubst of which zodiac is better so why

should I continue reading all the same days the same blah-blah of how

the zodiac originated or if precession must apply?.

 

And there is also a MOMENT for doing that. When? When you are just

beginning to practice astrology, but once you had made your choice,

you must move on. Otherwise you will stagnate.

 

It is like finishing kindergarden and instead of advancing to first

grade they continue teaching you the same.

 

 

This is one of the main reasons why this list is so static and very

little dynamic. Practically none charts are analyzed here and when

they are mentioned, people refer to tropical and revaluated concepts

such as saying that if a person is tropical gemini changes opinions

frequently, all the legacy of Liz Greene.

 

 

I think there should be a minimum rule here , to accept and analyze

sidereal charts. Otherwise we will continue seeing the same with the

consequent decay of the list.

 

 

Alfonso Osorio

 

 

 

, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> Oh, Sorry, Alfonso. I see that you did say you were using Placidus

for the

> Tropical chart.

>

> T.

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At 12:12 AM 4/28/03 -0000, Ed wrote:

>Join ACT.

 

I did, but there haven't been any posts since I joined.

 

>No, what happened was that you were unable to demonstrate it

>properly.

 

As I remember, the discussion got so antagonistic that everyone left

including me.

 

>I again would point out the absurdity of claiming that one

>chart is Marslike becuase the ascendant is 29*30' Aries and another

>is Venusian becuase it is 00*30' Taurus.

 

Of course that is true. No rising sign has any particular character without

a planet being there. The real question is, " Do rulers exist, and if so,

how do we demonstrate that they work? " It's the placement of rulers that

would be important, not the character of the sign.

 

>> >If Mars and Venus are square in your natal chart, they are square no

matter which damn zodiac you use.

>

>> This is true as far as the planets themselves go. But depending on

>the signs and houses the planets are in, they will express in different

areas of

>life.

 

>Well, how?

 

I've been working on this today. Maybe I'll be able to post something

tonight. One thing is very obvious and that is that you can't take one

planetary configuration out of chart without considering at the rest of the

chart. Alfonso will be interested how the Hindu rules play out here.

 

>This only makes sense in the Tropical zod anyhow, becuase we can show

harmonic aspects to >the cardinal points. The " cusps " of sidereal signs

are not based on any such rationale.

 

Well, then it's up to people like Alfonso and me to show that there are

indeed sidereal cusps. Have you read John Addey's work? There is an entire

wave theory of the zodiac, and the initial points of signs don't

necessarily have to be at an equinox point. Rob Hand also has a good (if

difficult to understand) article on the wave theory in 'Essays on Astrology.'

 

>> How would you use the cardinal points in the horoscopes of

>individuals?

>

>Progressions, my dear!

 

Do you mean it would be significant if a planet progressed into a cardinal

sign in a person's chart? If so, please give an example from your own chart

files.

 

>Also, if midpoints fall on 0 Aries, we know of a mundane connexion.

 

And if an astrologer doesn't use midpoints, would the cardinal points

matter? And I'm not sure what a 'mundane connextion' is.

 

>> Precession vs. non-precession isn't a false dilemma. Over time a

>planet can't be in two different locations at once, as demonstrated in the

>Baghdad Foundation chart.

>

>You are confusing " place " with " measured value. "

 

I don't understand what you mean here ('place' and 'measured value.') You'd

have to give an example.

 

>I honestly know of no astrologer who uses Tropical and has such angst

>against sidereal.

 

It's kind of how I feel about the square Indian charts. They are

meaningless to me, so I don't try to read them. The sidereal is another

language to Tropical astrologers, but they are too polite to say they don't

want to bother studying it.

 

>Love you, Ed K

 

My astrology and I are one. Can't hate one and love the other!

 

Therese

 

P.S. The problem with this list is that the diehard western sidereal

astrologers don't seem to want to discuss horoscopes and those of us who

would like to talk about actual charts don't use the western sidereal

system. So I'm wondering why this list even exists?? What do the list owner

and oldtimers want to see here?

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