Aftermath of Irak invasion- Picture

[Guest guest]

Did anyone besides me catch France 2 Television on C-Span this evening??!!

What a different picture of the invasion--huge disorganized crowds, massive

looting and burning, very, very angry citizens asking for their dictator

back because the U.S. forces were doing nothing to stop the looting and

destruction. I can't help but wonder how this broadcast got past the U.S.

guardians.

 

And does anyone want some evidence for the sidereal foundation of

astrology? Compare the transits of the last few days to the Baghdad

Foundation chart (762). Mars is in 0Gem23 minutes of Gemini in the 7th in

that chart and at the time of Ambassador Al-Douri's peace statment in New

York transiting Saturn had just entered Gemini at 0Deg16 minutes

(Krishnamurti). There's a lot more. I'm going to put it on one of the

Tropical boards. I have to find the URL for the Baghdad chart. It's on the

C.U.R.A. site.

 

Therese

 

At 06:18 PM 4/11/03 -0700, you wrote:

>I think that the majority of the list members are from or live in the

States. So I thought it would be interesting for you to know how the rest

of the world perceive the invasion of Irak. As I said before, although we

didn't like or approved Husseim, most of the people of the world did not

approved that invasion. We always saw that monetary and economical factors

were the real cause of the attack. So far the american troops were not

attacked with missils nor chemical weapons. So what was the threat that

Saddam allegedly represented for the world peace? Isn't this a double moral

of seeing things? And in

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is all fine, Alfonso, but where's the astrology??

 

Just for the record, the MAJORITY of Americans were against this war

from the very beginning, and wanted our leaders to go the UN route so

that everyone was on the same page.

 

Our leaders ignored us, and the UN. This is not our war, but our

politician's.

 

Best,

Ed K

 

 

 

, alfonso osorio

<alfonsoosorio> wrote:

> I think that the majority of the list members are from or live in

the States. So I thought it would be interesting for you to know how

the rest of the world perceive the invasion of Irak. As I said

before, although we didn't like or approved Husseim, most of the

people of the world did not approved that invasion. We always saw

that monetary and economical factors were the real cause of the

attack. So far the american troops were not attacked with missils nor

chemical weapons. So what was the threat that Saddam allegedly

represented for the world peace? Isn't this a double moral of seeing

things? And in relation to the tirannical and brutal way in which

Saddam governed, let's remember that he was already a dictator when

USA decided to back Irak in its war against Iran. But nobody

mentioned his crimes when he was a convenient ally for USA. And the

States did not do anything to prevent or to sanction Saddam when he

killed a lot of kurds, with the use of chemical weapons. So it is

really suspicious that only recently USA learned he was a dictator

and a criminal. This has happened also with Ceaucescu in Rumany,

Noriega in Panama, Stalin, Milosevic, and a lot of dictators,

remember Vietnam?, who were accepted and even aided by USA until they

stop serving or benefiting the american cause. It is really naive to

belief that the countries operate by philantropic reasons. It is the

economical factor that really moves then. In what I was wrong was in

thinking that the americans would stop changing their mind about the

war, as soon as they started seeing the scenes of the bombing in the

TV. Recent polls confirm that all the americans back up fully their

president and consequently Bush'es popularity has increased and will

rise even more, when the money starts flowing from Irak to the States

and specially to the Texan oil companies. Jupiter had been trining

Bush ascendant and also the ascendant of the chart I use for USA. At

least in this there is a little correspondence offered by astrology

to this world event. But of course it will not suprise me if somebody

says that his chart for USA is better because there is a 5 degree orb-

trine between the tertiary progression of an asteroid named Bagh-

Kurdy with the natal kyron of USA. I had seen a lot of arguments of

this sort when they are defending the " exactitude " of their charts.

My picture I had been lurking in astrological lists for some 5 years

and always had tried to imagined the face of the other members with

whom I had exchanged opinions. In case some of you have had the same

concern I decided to show my picture. It is very probable that since

I live in what is called a Third World country, probably you had

thought that we are still living in the caves. Well, although we are

not very developed by economical standards, life here has a lot of

advantages, that you can understand only when you dare to visit our

countries. But I don't know if it is possible to send an attachment.

Anyway I try. Sincerely yours, Alfonso Osorio

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[Guest guest]

Which country do you live in Alphonso ? Jen.

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alfonso osorio

Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:18 AM

Aftermath of Irak invasion- Picture

 

 

I think that the majority of the list members are from or live in the States.

So I thought it would be interesting for you to know how the rest of the world

perceive the invasion of Irak. As I said before, although we didn't like or

approved Husseim, most of the people of the world did not approved that

invasion. We always saw that monetary and economical factors were the real cause

of the attack. So far the american troops were not attacked with missils nor

chemical weapons. So what was the threat that Saddam allegedly represented for

the world peace? Isn't this a double moral of seeing things? And in relation to

the tirannical and brutal way in which Saddam governed, let's remember that he

was already a dictator when USA decided to back Irak in its war against Iran.

But nobody mentioned his crimes when he was a convenient ally for USA. And the

States did not do anything to prevent or to sanction Saddam when he killed a lot

of kurds, with the use of chemical weapons. So it is really suspicious that only

recently USA learned he was a dictator and a criminal. This has happened also

with Ceaucescu in Rumany, Noriega in Panama, Stalin, Milosevic, and a lot of

dictators, remember Vietnam?, who were accepted and even aided by USA until they

stop serving or benefiting the american cause. It is really naive to belief that

the countries operate by philantropic reasons. It is the economical factor that

really moves then. In what I was wrong was in thinking that the americans would

stop changing their mind about the war, as soon as they started seeing the

scenes of the bombing in the TV. Recent polls confirm that all the americans

back up fully their president and consequently Bush'es popularity has increased

and will rise even more, when the money starts flowing from Irak to the States

and specially to the Texan oil companies. Jupiter had been trining Bush

ascendant and also the ascendant of the chart I use for USA. At least in this

there is a little correspondence offered by astrology to this world event. But

of course it will not suprise me if somebody says that his chart for USA is

better because there is a 5 degree orb- trine between the tertiary progression

of an asteroid named Bagh-Kurdy with the natal kyron of USA. I had seen a lot of

arguments of this sort when they are defending the " exactitude " of their charts.

My picture I had been lurking in astrological lists for some 5 years and always

had tried to imagined the face of the other members with whom I had exchanged

opinions. In case some of you have had the same concern I decided to show my

picture. It is very probable that since I live in what is called a Third World

country, probably you had thought that we are still living in the caves. Well,

although we are not very developed by economical standards, life here has a lot

of advantages, that you can understand only when you dare to visit our

countries. But I don't know if it is possible to send an attachment. Anyway I

try. Sincerely yours, Alfonso Osorio

 

 

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[Guest guest]

To Ed: Although this is an astrological list,I think it is

appropiate we occasionally give some comments about events that have

a great importance for us as citizens and that affect our lives.

 

Since I lack of data for Irak and Husseim, I can't make astrological

comments. But even if I had them I don't like to practice POSTMORTEM

astrology. Once the events happen, all is seen " clearly " .

 

I made a slight reference for the july 4th chart, which always gives

some clue.

 

And finally, the polls prove that the majority of the americans back

up what Bush did. And what is worst, they liked it so much, that even

think Siria could deserve the same destiny since allegedly was aiding

Irak.

 

I never saw huge antiwar protests in the States, just a bunch of

women and youngsters, usually from campus that like Berkeley had

shown always a liberal trend.

 

I live in Colombia. A country that has really suffered terrorism due

to the presence of the only guerrilla group that remaiins in the

world, when communism ended long ago. But these guerrillas do not

even have idealistic purposes, they kidnap people for money and they

trafic with arms and drugs. They are heavily armed and are very

difficult to exterminate because they hide in the jungles, where no

airplane can detect them.

 

Fortunately it seems Bush will provide us some technical assistance

to combat them.

 

Alfonso Osorio

 

 

 

 

 

, " Ed Kohout " <crumpo@e...>

wrote:

> This is all fine, Alfonso, but where's the astrology??

>

> Just for the record, the MAJORITY of Americans were against this

war

> from the very beginning, and wanted our leaders to go the UN route

so

> that everyone was on the same page.

>

> Our leaders ignored us, and the UN. This is not our war, but our

> politician's.

>

> Best,

> Ed K

>

>

>

> , alfonso osorio

> <alfonsoosorio> wrote:

> > I think that the majority of the list members are from or live in

> the States. So I thought it would be interesting for you to know

how

> the rest of the world perceive the invasion of Irak. As I said

> before, although we didn't like or approved Husseim, most of the

> people of the world did not approved that invasion. We always saw

> that monetary and economical factors were the real cause of the

> attack. So far the american troops were not attacked with missils

nor

> chemical weapons. So what was the threat that Saddam allegedly

> represented for the world peace? Isn't this a double moral of

seeing

> things? And in relation to the tirannical and brutal way in which

> Saddam governed, let's remember that he was already a dictator when

> USA decided to back Irak in its war against Iran. But nobody

> mentioned his crimes when he was a convenient ally for USA. And the

> States did not do anything to prevent or to sanction Saddam when he

> killed a lot of kurds, with the use of chemical weapons. So it is

> really suspicious that only recently USA learned he was a dictator

> and a criminal. This has happened also with Ceaucescu in Rumany,

> Noriega in Panama, Stalin, Milosevic, and a lot of dictators,

> remember Vietnam?, who were accepted and even aided by USA until

they

> stop serving or benefiting the american cause. It is really naive

to

> belief that the countries operate by philantropic reasons. It is

the

> economical factor that really moves then. In what I was wrong was

in

> thinking that the americans would stop changing their mind about

the

> war, as soon as they started seeing the scenes of the bombing in

the

> TV. Recent polls confirm that all the americans back up fully their

> president and consequently Bush'es popularity has increased and

will

> rise even more, when the money starts flowing from Irak to the

States

> and specially to the Texan oil companies. Jupiter had been trining

> Bush ascendant and also the ascendant of the chart I use for USA.

At

> least in this there is a little correspondence offered by astrology

> to this world event. But of course it will not suprise me if

somebody

> says that his chart for USA is better because there is a 5 degree

orb-

> trine between the tertiary progression of an asteroid named Bagh-

> Kurdy with the natal kyron of USA. I had seen a lot of arguments of

> this sort when they are defending the " exactitude " of their charts.

> My picture I had been lurking in astrological lists for some 5

years

> and always had tried to imagined the face of the other members with

> whom I had exchanged opinions. In case some of you have had the

same

> concern I decided to show my picture. It is very probable that

since

> I live in what is called a Third World country, probably you had

> thought that we are still living in the caves. Well, although we

are

> not very developed by economical standards, life here has a lot of

> advantages, that you can understand only when you dare to visit our

> countries. But I don't know if it is possible to send an

attachment.

> Anyway I try. Sincerely yours, Alfonso Osorio

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more

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[Guest guest]

Alfonso, it's true that if we saw accuracy in the polls, that more than

half of U.S. citizens--50 to 75 percent--supported their president. (I

question the polls, but that is another story.) However, it isn't true that

there were few demonstrators that were mainly women and children near

college campuses. Many demonstrations in the big cities numbered hundreds

of thousands, as reported in the newspapers and on television. Hundreds

were arrested by police, mostly for blocking busy streets. There was some

vandalism, however. Even the small towns like the one I live in have a few

hundred people turning out for peace demonstrations.

 

We have a valid historical chart for the foundation of Baghdad. Why not

make your predictions?

 

http://cura.free.fr/xxv/25hold3.html

 

Spelling in English: Iraq Syria

 

Sincerely,

Therese

[Guest guest]

Therese:

I would like to believe that polls are inexact or that the majority

of the americans were against the war, but I always pledge to

reality, and by the way, when the polls are made under scientific

procedure, they can reflect exactly what people think.

 

Another different thing is that another war is being celebrated in

the media, the informative war.

 

You all appreciated that many times the news were influenced by

depending on which side they were supporting or based on their

political color.

 

For example the tv was lying when they said all the iraqis were

celebrating when Saddam's statue was thrown down. Besides the

american soldiers, there were only some few curious people and the

reporters, but it was not true that all the Baghdad population went

to the street to celebrate it.

 

And finally, I had not read the article that gives the data for

Baghdad's foundation. I doubt it reflects the real birth of the city,

but even conceding it is accurate, it is important to differentiate a

city than of a nation or a political regime.

 

Although the city of Baghdad is under anarchy and have no rulers and

consequently its population is the victim of vandalism, what was at

stake was Irak's system of government.

 

And astrologically this could be reflected only in the chart for

Irak and for the moment when Saddam grabbed the power. These were and

are the key data, which we all lack.

 

So I don't understand what predictions could be made from the city's

chart, in case it exists.

 

Alfonso Osorio

 

 

 

, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> Alfonso, it's true that if we saw accuracy in the polls, that more

than

> half of U.S. citizens--50 to 75 percent--supported their president.

(I

> question the polls, but that is another story.) However, it isn't

true that

> there were few demonstrators that were mainly women and children

near

> college campuses. Many demonstrations in the big cities numbered

hundreds

> of thousands, as reported in the newspapers and on television.

Hundreds

> were arrested by police, mostly for blocking busy streets. There

was some

> vandalism, however. Even the small towns like the one I live in

have a few

> hundred people turning out for peace demonstrations.

>

> We have a valid historical chart for the foundation of Baghdad. Why

not

> make your predictions?

>

> http://cura.free.fr/xxv/25hold3.html

>

> Spelling in English: Iraq Syria

>

> Sincerely,

> Therese

[Guest guest]

At 10:57 PM 4/12/03 -0000, Alfonso wrote:

 

And finally, I had not read the article that gives the data for

>Baghdad's foundation. I doubt it reflects the real birth of the city,

>but even conceding it is accurate, it is important to differentiate a

>city than of a nation or a political regime.

 

Since Baghdad is the capital city of Iraq and the seat of government, I

believe that predictions can be made from that chart. If you read the

article, you will see that the time was purposely chosen and recorded. Also

the current transits to the chart check out.

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 10:57 PM 4/12/03 -0000, Alfonso wrote:

>

> And finally, I had not read the article that gives the data for

> >Baghdad's foundation. I doubt it reflects the real birth of the

city,

> >but even conceding it is accurate, it is important to

differentiate a

> >city than of a nation or a political regime.

 

 

Alfonso,

 

How can you say that this was not the foundation without reading the

article? Guessing (in this case wrongly!) is afoul of good deduction.

 

 

 

 

>

> Since Baghdad is the capital city of Iraq and the seat of

government, I

> believe that predictions can be made from that chart. If you read

the

> article, you will see that the time was purposely chosen and

recorded. Also

> the current transits to the chart check out.

 

Yes, indeed. Notice how it jives with the Sibly chart, and the

current Saturn transit to both charts' Mars.

 

While such a city chart is poor for predicting the war, it is

indicitave of the fortunes of the city in general. Right now, I

would say that things are going poorly.

 

- Ed K

 

 

 

 

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> Therese