Precession and Return Charts

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Kevin,

 

You gave a really good summary here. Then, if you wanted to demonstrate the

sidereal logic, you would do this through return charts? Would you do

mundane returns? Though I'm familiar with the sidereal doctrine of returns,

I've had a bit of trouble in the personal area. The charts don't seem to

work that clearly sometimes. Then there's the birthplace/locale issue. So

mundane charts fixed by location would seem to be better, no? Have you

worked with these?

 

I've thought of casting return charts for peoples' deaths. There a lot of

data in the Rodden/McDonough AstroDatabase.

 

For valid research, you would have to cast all the charts in both zodiacs

and be very precise as to how you delineated them. Up to now siderealists

have stubbornly refused to look at Tropical returns, and Tropical

astrologers ignore the sidereal returns.

 

Therese

 

At 11:50 AM 4/19/03 EDT, Kevin wrote:

>Of course there's only one zodiac, but the problem is choosing between two

>methods of calibrating it. Our preferred method gives the stars fixed

>zodiacal longitudes, while the Tropical measures everything from the points

>where the Ecliptic and Celestial Equator intersect, assigning these points

to

>0*0'0 " Aries and Libra respectively.

>

>And that's where the problem begins. One reference frame is moving relative

>to the other. We say it's the equinox points which move, while the

>Tropicalists say it's the constellations. The reason why we in the west are

>convinced of our viewpoint is Cyril Fagan's discovery of the Sidereal Solar

>Retun: prior to this, astrologers weren't interested in solar return charts

>because they weren't accurate. That's because prior to Fagan no one in the

>west took precession into account.

>

>Imagine a ruler which had the calibration marks slowly rotating around its

>edge instead of staying in place. If you weren't aware of this movement,

>such a ruler would be useless to you. Or imagine living in a neighborhood

>where the local kids like to scramble the street signs -- you'd need other

>landmarks to find your way around. Not doing so would get you lost.

>

>And, astrologically speaking, not compensating for the equinox points'

>movement (a.k.a. precession) turns out to be equally foolish.

>

>Later,

>Kevin