Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 Hello Therese, Diana's time PM 1:10'might be considered;but I favour the official time. (Here in Holland astrologers are shocked, if one doubts an official birthtime for princes and princess), I once did. >> 1:10 PM, at this time Saturn and Jupiter occupy the IVth house: You think,Saturnus: the loss of her mother's presence at home in early years? And Jupiter: born in a castle and originally parented to the Winsor family? Virgo Asc ..... could be considered in technical view, because the VIIth house in Pisces is speaking for Charles' MC in Pisces and her various hospitable friends/lovers (of lower standing, Hades in Diana's VIIth house is symbolized by this).Our Crown Prince Willem Alexander in Holland in his chart house VII is Hades. He is not married with a princes. His former girlfriend was neither. I work with the Meridean houses. It is interesting that Admetos and Hades occupies Charles'Xth house. Moon is midpoint Node/Hades, speaks for feeling uncomfortable in his social duties and meeting the Press.Perhaps he nearly envied his wife's easy manner. Her Gemini Sun loves company and talks.Her Sun in Gemini made her adaptable for social duties despite her shyness (Sun in Gemini). Gemini people have a small face and Cancer a round face. Since I am working with the sidereal zodiac the description/shape of a face and body in studybooks, is in accordance to the birthsun, mixed with the Ascendant. A disappointment for tropicalists meeting in a challenge: a description without ever having met the native before. Once I experimented it and succeeded, with the sidereal zodiac. The antiquair shop stores several of these " Barret-books " . I wonder about Camilla's Kronos (the statesman) conjunct the MC,symbolizes the father or the husband.Maxima, our Prince-Willem-Alexander's young wife her Midheaven is in Leo. Her husband is the future King of Holland. I never doubted, she would marry the crownprince, despite the heavy resistance before. (Arafat's Kronos also conjunct MC too. He always shows he loves Presidenship. In Diana 's original chart Diana the Moon is in Aquarius. She raised her children in democratic view. Moon in Capricornus is different, ambitious and keeping up protocol! Our Queen 's sun is in Capricornus and Queen Elisabeth Capricornus Ascendant. I recall that in Diana's original chart Uranus is conjunct her VIIIth house. Uranus is the ruler of the IIIrd house (fatal streetaccidents in this case). The transit Sun in her Lunar (18 August 1997) was exact opposite her Moon. A personal full Moon lunarchart. Not with the new time. And August 21th (synodic chart) the Tr.Sun is conjunct Diana's Moonnode in VIII, TransPluto tr was conjunct Uranus and Saturnus tr was in III radix.Tr Mc conjunct Neptune in X radix. Admetos and Hades in Charles' chart explains the delai of his Kingship. Admetos is the ruler of Taurus, in the Uranian Astrology. Admetos also declares Charles'interest for gardening and architecture. With Saturn in radix II, he possible loves it more to be a gardener or architect than to become a King. His Ascendant in Cancer. Not that he will refuse the crown. My afterthought is: the Indian man doubted his inspiration. He is not the only who doubts at such a moment. So he did not ask money naturally. Have a nice weekend, Anny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 At 07:39 PM 5/3/03 +0200, Anny wrote: > Diana's time PM 1:10'might be considered;but I favour the official >time. Anny, there was a great deal of controversy over Diana's birth time. Astrologers never did agree as to whether the afternoon or evening time was 'official.' I will post the times after I find them. > > >> 1:10 PM, at this time Saturn and Jupiter occupy the IVth house: >You think,Saturnus: the loss of her mother's presence at home in early >years? And Jupiter: born in a castle and originally parented to the Winsor >family? Here we are running into the house controversy. I have Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon in the 5th house, not the 4th. So right away we have to discuss, " What is a house??!! " > Virgo Asc ..... could be considered in technical view, because the >VIIth house in Pisces is speaking for Charles' MC in Pisces and her >various hospitable friends/lovers (of lower standing, Hades in Diana's >VIIth house I'm not in favor of using trans-Neptunians or any other derived 'planets' on a plain sidereal list. It seems to me that we should first try to find the facts with the standard planets. I think that using these derived planets is just as bad as using the Tropical zodiac. They may work for astrologers, but then discussion of those 'planets' belongs on a board dedicated to their use. So, Anny, can we ignore these derived planets for the time being? I have no idea how to calculate or use them. I don't even know if they are trans-Neptunians or something else. Neither western siderealists nor Hindu astrologers use those planets. They are strictly from Tropical astrology. >Her Gemini Sun loves company and talks. Ah, Anny!! Tropical-Sidereal mix-up here! It's sidereal Taurus (rules the tongue and throat) that likes to talk, not Gemini. That's only in the Tropical zodiac. See, sidereal astrologers are already confused about their signs!! Her Sun in Gemini made her adaptable for social duties despite her >shyness Books on Diana say that she was not shy at all. People only thought she was shy because she tended to look downward. (I know two other people with the ascendant in sidereal mid-Virgo who are tall and lanky like Diana, tend to look down, and have the same mannerisms as she had.) (Sun in Gemini). Gemini people have a small face and Cancer a round >face. Not always. It depends on what planets are aspecting the ascendant. Venus and Moon give roundness, Mars give sharpness, etc. However, the type of eyebrow structure seems to correlate with decanates. > In Diana 's original chart Diana the Moon is in Aquarius. This is controversial. It depends on whether the afternoon or evening birth is correct. She raised her >children in democratic view. Moon in Capricornus is different, ambitious >and keeping up protocol! This is more Tropical/sidereal mixup. Sidereal Sag is the protocoal sign because it's ruled by Jupiter. Sidereal Cap is like Trop Aquarius, democratic, but each lunar mansion is different. Here we would have to see the entire chart to see how the planets were acting. >Uranus is the ruler of the IIIrd house (fatal streetaccidents in this case). > The transit Sun in her Lunar (18 August 1997) was exact opposite her Moon. This would be a good chart to discuss, because it's a western sidereal concept to read the lunar return charts. I forget my dates. Is the 18 August 1997 chart her death chart? > A personal full Moon lunarchart. Not with the new time. And August 21th >(synodic chart) the Tr.Sun is conjunct Diana's Moonnode in VIII, TransPluto >tr was conjunct Uranus and Saturnus tr was in III radix.Tr Mc conjunct >Neptune in X radix. Anny, I cannot follow what you are saying because I don't use TransPluto and all those other points. First to discuss a chart we need to post the full birth information and the planet and sign degrees. Also the house system. See, it is already a lot of trouble to even get started!! This is why astrological lists degenerate into useless arguments and airy-fairy discussions. > My afterthought is: the Indian man doubted his inspiration. How do we know? We have not even begun to compare the two/three charts for Diana with only the standard planets and rules of Hindu astrology. Thank you for your post, Anny, but I would like to use only the standard planets (including Ur/Ne/Pl) and ignore those other planets. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 In a message dated 5/4/2003 12:52:24 AM Central Daylight Time, erichardg writes: > > Princess Diana > July 1, 1961 > Sandringham > England > > The two times are 2:15 pm and 7:45 pm BST > this is so odd. one of the biggest celebrities of our time and not a clue as to the birthtime! /// wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Anny, Princess Diana July 1, 1961 Sandringham England The two times are 2:15 pm and 7:45 pm BST R. Anny van Berckel wrote: > Hello Therese, > > Diana's time PM 1:10'might be considered;but I favour the official > time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Not exactly without a clue ~ The correct map should show a strong tie-in to extraordinary hereditary wealth, a connection to royalty, alliance to (almost) a king but at loggers head with a queen, consorting with unusual folk, gay friends, living in a fantasy world, astrologers being fooled by official sources, being run by dark forces into a tunnel and killed, with heavy planets exactly transiting the angles to spell out a death due to unknown and mysterious causes. Only one map shows all of these..........imo. R. cpwing44 wrote: > In a message dated 5/4/2003 12:52:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > erichardg writes: > > > > > Princess Diana > > July 1, 1961 > > Sandringham > > England > > > > The two times are 2:15 pm and 7:45 pm BST > > > > this is so odd. one of the biggest celebrities of our time and not a clue as > to the birthtime! /// wing > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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