Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 To the Sidereal List members: Like I said yesterday, I am not interested at all in losing my time in silly debates with persons who really should not be in this list. I have no idea who is the moderator of this list but since he is reluctant to put some order here and I do not want to lose my patience and good manners,although I am in the verge of doing it, I will have to continue making use of the delete button every time those who characterize by writing stupidities send messages to this list. I only receive a digest so the messages appear in a bunch. If somebody have time you can find that the siderealists practically do not participate, confirming my assertion that the lists end absorbed by just 2 or 3 persons, specially by those do not adhere to the purposes of the list. Now let's go to astrology. Pete Townshend: Just yesterday he was arrested in London under the Protection of Children Act, allegedly by the charge of possessing and transmitting indecent images of children. He is a rock musician, founder of the group " The Who " and was born on May 19/1945 at 3pm BWT in London. Let's see what his chart says. " Voila! " , as the french would say, you will find he has 24 degrees of leo ascending and the " planet of fortune " , Jupiter, exactly in conjunction with the ascendant! According to Rodden, his parents gave him a stormy infancy, since they quarrelled a lot. He even said that he was abused as a child, and this is the reason he gives for why he visited frequently internet places were pictures of nude children appear. He admitted openly to be bi-sexual and also recognizes a drug-addiction problem. Remember my previous posting? What happens then in his life, can astrology gives us some clues of why he has been engaged in so many scandals and why does he had such bad infancy and problems of sexual identity? According to hindu astrology, there are some houses associated with some missfortunes in life, and they are specifically: the 6th, 8th and 12th. So in order to analyze and to see if we can advance the roads he will transit in his life, we have to give a complete look to his chart, analying each house separately, then his rulers and finally their connections. Later, to confirm the diagnostic, it is convenient to refine the analysis, by looking nakshatras and divisional charts. His parents problems are clearly shown by being venus and mars, rulers of the parental axis, in the 8th house, aspected by saturn and neptune. I It does not need the aspect be exact to produce an effect. Like the analogy in physics: a light in the corner of a room can give light to the entere room In order to analyze the chapter of marriage we have to analyze his 7th house and some other points. The ruler of his 7th, equally afflicted, suffers the square of mars and of neptune. I remind you that although hindu astrology excludes outer planets I use them in my analysis. There are additionally other factors that confirm his problems in relationships when we analyze the state of the significator for marriage. I had should started by his ascendant. How promisory it looks for the face of the novice or to the dumb, who thinks that it is needed just jupiter rising to bring you all the blessings in life. Pay attention that he has also moon in his first house. Yeah, but which houses they rule: his 12th of misdoing and the 8th! So the circuit is closed because all his planets are connected with the unfortunate houses, except the planet that rules his finances and money, which receives aspect only from natural benefics. According to this that area of life should show less intermittances. You can see how by applying very old concepts of how to read a chart, we can extract some useful information just by making a juicious analyisis. Another good example: Please calculate the following chart : june 19/ 1939 EST 13'50 40n21 75w18 13:50. Do you notice how jupiter aspects her ascendant? Do any of you adventure to give a pronostic of what happened in her life on december 8 of 1963, when jupiter was again aspecting her ascendant? To those who say that jupiter rising or setting give fortunate things it will be extremely easy! Bush and Gore again: Please compare the above charts with Bush and Gore's. Where is jupiter in their charts? Which planets rise? Gore has in his ascendant(with whole signs domification) 2 planets that traditionally are considered as malefic: mars and saturn. If some of you use Placidus domification, which I stronlgy do not recommend to use, you will find he would have saturn and pluto in his 12th,what is worst. It is my impression that he has lived a good life. So what about mars and saturn in that placement? Well, from hindu perspective, saturn and mars are benefic for cancer lagna. Yes, saturn and mars can act as benefics sometimes. And what about Bush's chart? In my opinion, tropicalists have to stretch their astrological concepts to explain why a person with that chart is the most powerful person of the world. He even can determine if a country can be bombarded just because he wants so.It is clear I do not like Hussein but it is the civilian people that will suffer the consequences of the attack. And so far the ONU mission has not found any evidence of the nuclear reactors. By the way, although USA can easily win that " war " , in the long term it will be adverse for the States, because the eastern countries and specially the muslims and arabs will consider they have more motives to consider it as a permanent enemy.It will polarize and fuel more the antiamericanism. End of political parenthesis. From hindu astrology, his chart has some special features that indicate very good possibilities in his life. A strong conjunction of planets in his ascendant, including venus, that give him some appeal to the american voters or electorate,in close sextile to a gajakesari yoga,etc. But his chart is inferior to Clinton's, from an astrological viewpoint. We have to wait and see if the verdict of history will reflect my comparison. Let me confess you that I was born jupiter in my ascendant but I would undoubtedly change my chart for Bush's or Gore's, even with their saturn there. Alfonso Osorio P.S: My thanks to those who had read with interest my emails. Since I only receive a digest, it is impossible for me to answer the same day. Since God gave me 2 eyes and 2 ears and just one mouth, I had always prefered to read and to listen more than to talk. By this way I avoid to say silly things. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well said Alphonso,yours is the best post I have read on this board in a long while. Best Wishes J. - alfonso osorio Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:44 PM Pete Townshend and 2 examples To the Sidereal List members: Like I said yesterday, I am not interested at all in losing my time in silly debates with persons who really should not be in this list. I have no idea who is the moderator of this list but since he is reluctant to put some order here and I do not want to lose my patience and good manners,although I am in the verge of doing it, I will have to continue making use of the delete button every time those who characterize by writing stupidities send messages to this list. I only receive a digest so the messages appear in a bunch. If somebody have time you can find that the siderealists practically do not participate, confirming my assertion that the lists end absorbed by just 2 or 3 persons, specially by those do not adhere to the purposes of the list. Now let's go to astrology. Pete Townshend: Just yesterday he was arrested in London under the Protection of Children Act, allegedly by the charge of possessing and transmitting indecent images of children. He is a rock musician, founder of the group " The Who " and was born on May 19/1945 at 3pm BWT in London. Let's see what his chart says. " Voila! " , as the french would say, you will find he has 24 degrees of leo ascending and the " planet of fortune " , Jupiter, exactly in conjunction with the ascendant! According to Rodden, his parents gave him a stormy infancy, since they quarrelled a lot. He even said that he was abused as a child, and this is the reason he gives for why he visited frequently internet places were pictures of nude children appear. He admitted openly to be bi-sexual and also recognizes a drug-addiction problem. Remember my previous posting? What happens then in his life, can astrology gives us some clues of why he has been engaged in so many scandals and why does he had such bad infancy and problems of sexual identity? According to hindu astrology, there are some houses associated with some missfortunes in life, and they are specifically: the 6th, 8th and 12th. So in order to analyze and to see if we can advance the roads he will transit in his life, we have to give a complete look to his chart, analying each house separately, then his rulers and finally their connections. Later, to confirm the diagnostic, it is convenient to refine the analysis, by looking nakshatras and divisional charts. His parents problems are clearly shown by being venus and mars, rulers of the parental axis, in the 8th house, aspected by saturn and neptune. I It does not need the aspect be exact to produce an effect. Like the analogy in physics: a light in the corner of a room can give light to the entere room In order to analyze the chapter of marriage we have to analyze his 7th house and some other points. The ruler of his 7th, equally afflicted, suffers the square of mars and of neptune. I remind you that although hindu astrology excludes outer planets I use them in my analysis. There are additionally other factors that confirm his problems in relationships when we analyze the state of the significator for marriage. I had should started by his ascendant. How promisory it looks for the face of the novice or to the dumb, who thinks that it is needed just jupiter rising to bring you all the blessings in life. Pay attention that he has also moon in his first house. Yeah, but which houses they rule: his 12th of misdoing and the 8th! So the circuit is closed because all his planets are connected with the unfortunate houses, except the planet that rules his finances and money, which receives aspect only from natural benefics. According to this that area of life should show less intermittances. You can see how by applying very old concepts of how to read a chart, we can extract some useful information just by making a juicious analyisis. Another good example: Please calculate the following chart : june 19/ 1939 EST 13'50 40n21 75w18 13:50. Do you notice how jupiter aspects her ascendant? Do any of you adventure to give a pronostic of what happened in her life on december 8 of 1963, when jupiter was again aspecting her ascendant? To those who say that jupiter rising or setting give fortunate things it will be extremely easy! Bush and Gore again: Please compare the above charts with Bush and Gore's. Where is jupiter in their charts? Which planets rise? Gore has in his ascendant(with whole signs domification) 2 planets that traditionally are considered as malefic: mars and saturn. If some of you use Placidus domification, which I stronlgy do not recommend to use, you will find he would have saturn and pluto in his 12th,what is worst. It is my impression that he has lived a good life. So what about mars and saturn in that placement? Well, from hindu perspective, saturn and mars are benefic for cancer lagna. Yes, saturn and mars can act as benefics sometimes. And what about Bush's chart? In my opinion, tropicalists have to stretch their astrological concepts to explain why a person with that chart is the most powerful person of the world. He even can determine if a country can be bombarded just because he wants so.It is clear I do not like Hussein but it is the civilian people that will suffer the consequences of the attack. And so far the ONU mission has not found any evidence of the nuclear reactors. By the way, although USA can easily win that " war " , in the long term it will be adverse for the States, because the eastern countries and specially the muslims and arabs will consider they have more motives to consider it as a permanent enemy.It will polarize and fuel more the antiamericanism. End of political parenthesis. From hindu astrology, his chart has some special features that indicate very good possibilities in his life. A strong conjunction of planets in his ascendant, including venus, that give him some appeal to the american voters or electorate,in close sextile to a gajakesari yoga,etc. But his chart is inferior to Clinton's, from an astrological viewpoint. We have to wait and see if the verdict of history will reflect my comparison. Let me confess you that I was born jupiter in my ascendant but I would undoubtedly change my chart for Bush's or Gore's, even with their saturn there. Alfonso Osorio P.S: My thanks to those who had read with interest my emails. Since I only receive a digest, it is impossible for me to answer the same day. Since God gave me 2 eyes and 2 ears and just one mouth, I had always prefered to read and to listen more than to talk. By this way I avoid to say silly things. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 , " Black Cat PC Solutions " <jen@b...> wrote: > Let's see what his chart says. " Voila! " , as the french would say, you will find he has 24 degrees of leo ascending and the " planet of fortune " , Jupiter, exactly in conjunction with the ascendant! Alphonso, Glad to see you are learning that those with fortunate lives and great influence may have Jupiter rising. > I had should started by his ascendant. How promisory it looks for the face of the novice or to the dumb, who thinks that it is needed just jupiter rising to bring you all the blessings in life. Who said that? > Pay attention that he has also moon in his first house. Yeah, but which houses they rule: his 12th of misdoing and the 8th! The novice and dumb always buy into such silly rulership schemes. Best, Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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