Gandhi, Michael Jackson and zodiac signs

[Guest guest]

Gosh Terese,

 

Thanks for such an informative response! I guess I am a little

behind the times (in terms of this board). About all I

know...seriously, is that tropical astrology doesn't place the

planets in the astronomically-correct position. I have been studying

astology (tropical) very, very intensely for about 2 years (reading

Jeff Green's stuff of all things since I have pluto transiting the

12th house of all places; it is 1* from my Asc presently! Yay " me,

myself and I " LOL).

 

So all I really know is is TROPICAL, and with my discovery of where

the planets are REALLY........I just apply all tropical concepts,

beliefs, and theories but with a diffent interpretation of where the

planets are (ie their signs). For instance, went to a lecture a few

months ago (before I knew anything about sidereal) about Uranus

moving into Pisces via tropical. During that lecture, which

basically covered history and it's profound events via all the Uranus

in Pisces transitions. I kept wondering.........it doesn't seem like

these innovations that occur during such a pisces transition appear

to be Piscean. After I discovered sidereal.......I thought about

it......with every tropical transition of Uranus into Pisces, there

have been major movements of society, medicine, politics into a very

New Way of being. Like new vaccines. Or new political parties. That

sort of thing. After I discovered sidereal.......it just appeared

taht these things were very Uranian (ie, innovative, ingenious).

 

So, that being said.........I would surely LOVE to look at your

book. How might I find it? I am starting to understand, from this

board, that there is soooooooooooo much more to this than I can even

fathom at this point, but I would love to investigate it further.

(That's what I LOVE about astrology.......sidereal, tropical,

whatever; it is just a never ending trail of information for

exploration!).

 

Aside from really delving into Western Sidereal and all that entails

(I can't believe the elements have no place!!!), I wonder if there

is place in the astrology community for people like me, who seem to

just deal with Tropical concepts but with the astronomical placements

that sidereal offers. I can't tell you how many questions have been

answered and confusions cleared up just by studying my chart with

sidreal/Lahiri calculations and applying the basic tropical theories

about signs and elements. and my chart.........MAN......Pluto on the

Asc by transit (rough experiences) and natally all my planets in the

1st (no objectivity!) and the 9th (a real

calling ......somewhere......somehow but I can't figure it out) and

then these lonely planets/asteroids in the 3rd and 11th (Neptune in

the 11th and chiron in the 3rd). Just trying so hard to understand

my life purpose or save that, my next move........but finding the

sidereal signs sooooooo appropriate I can't even believe it.

 

So.......do ya think I should study Vedic and the dasas??!!!!

 

Have a wonderful day.......from this newbie! Seriously, where might

I find your book? I read your posts and even though I don't have the

foundation to draw conclusions, I do follow you every step of the way!

 

Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Terese,

 

I totally agree. Pluto in Sag? I don't think it could be.....given

the events that we are faced with. The ENTIRE issue that confronts

the world over right now is sharing/usurping POWER....through oil,

political tyranny. Basically POWER STRUGGLES. And it seems all

related to Pluto in Scorpio, as you say. The thing is.....I would

imagine Pluto in Sag would result in people practicing the VERY best

principles and ideals for the common good. In fact, I look forward

to when Pluto DOES enter sag! Then we might see some real heros come

forward to make the world a more equitable place.

 

And I totally agree.....Uranus seems to be more aquarian right now.

Or moving that direction. Yes, we have seen a lot on the front of

computer-related advancements......but in the next 7 years.....I

can't even imagine what the landscape will be like! We have merely

begun. I will try to scan the document I got at that lecture

on " uranus moving into pisces " from that lecture and post it here for

you. The astrologer basically went through history and logged all

the signficant social, political, medical, theological and

technological advances that occurred throughout history whenever

Uranus was in PISCES (as per tropical measurements). All sorts of

SUDDEN, innovative advancements, one after the other. Like vaccines

being discovered; that sort of thing. Seemed rather Aquarian to me!

And, yes, these things I suppose could be construed as

Piscean........but not really. Not at all. I would think Uranus in

Pisces advancements on these fronts would be more holistically and

spiritually oriented.

 

All I can say is........I think that Pluto in Scorp and Uranus in

Aqua are symbiotic. The Scorpio energy will get us into loads of

TROUBLE! And Uranus in Aqua will give us the MEANS to really, really

mess things up here on earth. But when Pluto goes into principl-

driven, courageous Sag.......we will have the FIRE to set things

right again. And when Uranus moves into Pisces, that fire to battle

the evils and non-equities of society will be tailored to a more

compassionate level. As in........we may have the courage and

compassion to not seek " an eye for an eye. "

 

It's kind of interesting because I have a very similar house system

as the USA. Our ascendants are just a few degrees apart. So when I

read analyses about what's happening in the USA.......many of the

energies are the same in MY chart. As in.....pluto at or near the

Ascendant! All I can say.......is if the USA doesn't get the lesson

that it must transform for the good of all......we will be on the

side of the slope that the Romans were during their fall

from " grace. " With Pluto on the ascendant.......the power struggles

should be more internally rather than this external manifestation

that we see going on each day in the news. I am pretty much learning

these lessons for myself (the hard way at times, I admit). Having to

reinvent myself in an authentic manner that will serve not just

myself, but my community. Bridging the needs of both. And, just as

the USA is doing, I continue to just really, really want to rely on

OLD ways of doing things and seeing the world and being in the

world...whether those ways worked or not. A daily battle to

transform. And I know......if I don't continue to do internal

examinations and exercises, I am toast. And I see our country doing

the very same thing. The scary thing is.......this Bush

administration is totally working on the same premises that the

Reagan/Bush Sr. folks did......even down to this new " financial

stimulus package " based on the proven to be a MESS theory of the

Trickle Down concept of economic stimulus! Give to the rich.....and

the middle class will benefit. Right! It's incredible watching the

Bush Jr. Admin just wield it's illegitimate power and " dictate " who

shall have and who shall " have not " so blatantly. It's so ultra

Plutonian........in a very Scorpionic manner.

 

Oh, we will have some healing to do come Pluto in Sag and Uranus in

Pisces! Indeed we will.

 

Okay, got on a bit of a soap box!!!

 

Will anticipate seeing some of your book when you get it put

together. IF I ever html (which I plan to learn), perhaps down the

road I could help out. Granted, you should get to know me better

before handing over your goods!! And time can perhaps allow for that.

 

Yes, I just don't understand how tropicalist astrologers can just

forge their path without really, and seriously, listening to what

they are saying! It seems soooooo obvious to me. A mere novice!

And perhaps it is just the fact that I am a novice that makes me less

invested in what I have been taught. Sometimes the BEST and most

fruitful learning occurs right at the beginning of a study of a

subject. Oh well!

 

Have a GREAT day! Thanks for the dialogue!

 

Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Terese,

 

You say even if what you write turns out to be even a shade or two

from the truth...........well, we are all pretty much in the dark,

striving to shine light on the truth. Doing the very best we can as

HUMANS. So, please carry on!!!

 

I would love for you take a look at my chart.........but I really

don't want to inconvenience you. I try not to give my birth details

on public message boards, and really tried to determine your email

address here to send you such info. If you have some time.......can

you please email me at flyfishergal2001 and I can return my

birth info to you. But, seriously, I know you are busy, busy, busy,

and I don't want to inconvenience you. I will say, however, that

just a look at my chart from your perspective will definitely answer

a lot of questions about this sidereal theory. And for that, I would

be very grateful!! Perhaps I can return a favor!!!

 

All the best to you. And I am serious......ignore what you don't want

to give energy to.......and it will become a moot point!!

 

Robin a/k/a Marie Antoinette

 

, Terese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 10:41 AM 1/11/03 -0000, Robin wrote:

> >Gosh Terese,

> I can't tell you how many questions have been

> >answered and confusions cleared up just by studying my chart with

> >sidreal/Lahiri calculations ***and applying the basic tropical

theories

> >about signs and elements.***

>

> Hmmmm...this (part set off by ***) bugs me a bit. If you want to

send me

> your birth data I'll look at your chart in light of what you say

about

> yourself. In public on this board or in private. Your chice. But I

won't

> talk about asteroids. And I try to keep my posts short because I

have a lot

> of work I'm trying to finish up...like research and getting some

articles

> on a web page. And then there's Real Life. That needs time too.

>

> >So.......do ya think I should study Vedic and the dasas??!!!!

>

> I'd get your sign and planet theory worked out first. And the

square Indian

> charts are the pits.

>

> >I do follow you every step of the way!

>

> Thank you, Robin. I strive to be clear in what I say, even if it

turns out

> later to be a shade (or more) from the truth.

>

> Terese

[Guest guest]

At 09:54 AM 1/13/03 -0000, Robin wrote:

 

>I would love for you take a look at my chart.........but I really

>don't want to inconvenience you. I try not to give my birth details

>on public message boards, and really tried to determine your email

>address...

 

My e-mail is:

 

eastwest