Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Hey!! Tell me.......tell me true. You aren't the JUAN from that cool Centaur site (astronomical!!!) where you offer people the free software: Riyal for Windows. Are you him? Well, if you are.......let me tell you. I totally admire you (and I got that cool calculation software). Up until that moment, I was completely tropical.......until your message board (a discussion about finding the exact location of Lilith) illustrated to me that tropical has nothing to do with astronomy! I was aghast! Thinking,........but if I am born Dec 28, how can I be a cappy if the sun was really in Sag?!! At any rate......one thing led to another......and I now use sidereal calculations and life makes sense!!! Now......concerning your comment, " Does ambition exist within the group to collectively develop a process of discovery... " There is no doubt in mind that this group......or any other group we can muster together.......SHOULD sit down and study the astrology/astronomy of the current times.......to perhaps come to some conclusions that will benefit future generations. We are living in interesting time, to say the least. The lessons " for the USA are incredible (and I do believe that our present and future actions will give much FODDER to our history lessons in the very far future!) Anyways, Yes, let's study. But, honestly, there is so much debate and stuff going on here.......I think we should start a new message board with very specific boundaries about what we are studying!!! Oh...........YES, as a novice, and as a HUMAN BEING just watching the Theater of War progress.............YES.........MARCH is the key month. Can't back that up with anything, but there is no doubt in my mind (or heart) that we are in deep doo doo coming MARCH! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 , " flyfishergal2001 <horizons@p...> " <horizons@p...> wrote: > until your message board (a discussion > about finding the exact location of Lilith) illustrated to me that > tropical has nothing to do with astronomy! I was aghast! Robin, Whoever told you this was either ignorant or lying, All modern stellar positions are measured in Right Ascension, which is tropical by its very definition. Very best, Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Oh Ed.......you don't know me from Adam (or Eve for that matter). Trust me, I am not an easy sale for anyone or any concept. I don't change my colors lightly or frivously. If something hits me like a ton of bricks, I know.......being a very, very BRIGHT intelligent person that there's some truth to it. I don't think he was lying. He made sense to me. But the GOOD news is......we (you, I and this Juan guy with the Centaur site) can believe anything we want! That " site " was only a precursor in the illumination of the VERY real astronomical concept of precessesion. Which ultimately led me to the sidereal studies. And boy am I glad! That article on this site, in fact, talking about sidereal Sag's.....where they give the example of the person who was made out to be a Cap Sun......but their life experience was totally Sag? Well, that's me in a nutshell! I choose to believe concepts and ideas based on factual realities but also on personal experience and observations. Are you saying that I am also ignorant? Heck, tell that to the multitudes of people I help out on a daily basis with their very real problems. I am an Ace investigator and thinker. And I trust my gut and my brain. I don't know.......I just wonder why you spend time on this board trying to convince the very few people who want to study sidereal. It's much like a drinking man who chooses to drink right on the sidewalk outside an AA meeting and begrudging all the fools who go to the meetings and stay sober......but really, all that guy wants to do is GO IN and be a part of the sober life that so many enjoy. That's a bona fide question, Ed. I don't understand......given that there are 1000s of sites and millions of people who share the tropical view every single day, why you (and a few others) just want to debate this when it really doesn't matter what any of us think? You are a member of the majority class when it comes to astrology. And as far as I can tell, there is little likelihood that us few siderealists (or siderealists " becoming " ) can or will ever want to remove the foundation from which you base your beliefs. What's the threat? I just don't understand. But I will say......that the fodder you give certainly HELPS us to become more entrenched in sidereal. Which ultimately REALLY well help give us a leg up to keep sidereal alive. It seems that you are pretty much CREATING the very threat to your belief system that you feel soooooooo passionate about defending and preserving. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy! Oh well.......let me leave in my dream world. At least I really WILL be in the constellation that I say I am in! Don't mean to ruffle any feathers here.......but, gosh.....calling ANYONE ignorant is just mean-spirited. And that doesn't jive with any reasonable philosophy or science or anything. There's no justification for it. I mean, do you maybe want to SEE this guy's site before making such a rash judgment. He's pretty darned bright. And you should just SEE the astronomy program he wrote AND gives away for free. Ignorant doesn't seem to fit for this guy. Robin , " Ed Kohout <crumpo@e...> " <crumpo@e...> wrote: > , " flyfishergal2001 > <horizons@p...> " <horizons@p...> wrote: > > > > > until your message board (a discussion > > about finding the exact location of Lilith) illustrated to me that > > tropical has nothing to do with astronomy! I was aghast! > > Robin, > > Whoever told you this was either ignorant or lying, > > All modern stellar positions are measured in Right Ascension, which > is tropical by its very definition. > > Very best, > Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Robin, FYI: I know Juan " the Centaur Guy " Revilla, and he is the antithesis of Juan Oliver, who is a hack. That you didn't know the difference shows that you have much to learn, and I wish you well. However... Your comments below are so rediculous as to be laughable. What you or I believe should not even be part of the debate, as it is a cold, concrete fact that NASA, JPL, and all other modern astronomical societies measure the sky in RIGHT ASCENSION, which is by its very definition TROPICAL. I challenge you to prove otherwise. You may want to believe differently, and you have that right as a free person in the 21st Century. You have the right to believe you are the King of France as well. Or perhaps the King of France's Court Astrologer/Magician. Your ad-hominems are worthless and many, but I would like to address some other follys: , " flyfishergal2001 <horizons@p...> " <horizons@p...> wrote: > Oh Ed.......you don't know me from Adam (or Eve for that matter). > Trust me, I am not an easy sale for anyone or any concept. I don't > change my colors lightly or frivously. If something hits me like a > ton of bricks, I know.......being a very, very BRIGHT intelligent > person that there's some truth to it. I don't think he was lying. > He made sense to me. > > But the GOOD news is......we (you, I and this Juan guy with the > Centaur site) can believe anything we want! That " site " was only a > precursor in the illumination of the VERY real astronomical concept > of precessesion. Which ultimately led me to the sidereal studies. > And boy am I glad! That article on this site, in fact, talking about > sidereal Sag's.....where they give the example of the person who was > made out to be a Cap Sun......but their life experience was totally > Sag? Well, that's me in a nutshell! I choose to believe concepts > and ideas based on factual realities but also on personal experience > and observations. > > Are you saying that I am also ignorant? Heck, tell that to the > multitudes of people I help out on a daily basis with their very real > problems. I am an Ace investigator and thinker. And I trust my gut > and my brain. > > I don't know.......I just wonder why you spend time on this board > trying to convince the very few people who want to study sidereal. Open discussion of the topic is the ONLY way to learn about it properly. Ignoring voices of reason and fact is what the Bin Ladens of the world do, not the seekers of truth. > It's much like a drinking man who chooses to drink right on the > sidewalk outside an AA meeting and begrudging all the fools who go to > the meetings and stay sober......but really, all that guy wants to do > is GO IN and be a part of the sober life that so many enjoy. How silly. I'm sorry if you have trouble with my attempts at rational discourse and logic, but you should look within for why this upsets you. > That's a bona fide question, Ed. I don't understand......given that > there are 1000s of sites and millions of people who share the > tropical view every single day, why you (and a few others) just want > to debate this when it really doesn't matter what any of us think? I happen to love astrology. I don't much agree with the so- called " tropicalists " as well; this should be apparent to you if you have read my posts. I have said repeatedly that both zodiacs need to be marginalized, and returned to the original use as a simple form of measurement, not glamorized and puffed up as some sort of key to divinatory astrology. > You are a member of the majority class when it comes to astrology. > And as far as I can tell, there is little likelihood that us few > siderealists (or siderealists " becoming " ) can or will ever want to > remove the foundation from which you base your beliefs. What's the > threat? I just don't understand. I'm not threatened in the least. It is you who is threatened, which is obvious by this rambling post full of red-herring arguments and personal attacks on me that are meant to take focus away from the facts. Why you are doing this is beyond me, but I would hazzard to guess it has to do with your own lack of self-assuredness on the topic at hand. > But I will say......that the fodder you give certainly HELPS us to > become more entrenched in sidereal. Which ultimately REALLY well > help give us a leg up to keep sidereal alive. It seems that you are > pretty much CREATING the very threat to your belief system that you > feel soooooooo passionate about defending and preserving. It's like > a self-fulfilling prophecy! What system am I defending?? Tropical?? I don't think so. I am a devout Cosmobiologist when it comes to astrology (though I was at first a 12-signer), but my goal as an astro-historian is to separate the wheat from the chaff. > Oh well.......let me leave in my dream world. At least I really WILL > be in the constellation that I say I am in! Don't mean to ruffle any > feathers here.......but, gosh.....calling ANYONE ignorant is just > mean-spirited. Ahh, so that's it! You are one of those ultra-sensitive list lurkers who get all upset when someone uses a certain word you don't like. If you came to an internet discussion group thinking it was some coffee-clutch of polite society, you are in for a rude awakening. Besides, where were you when others on this list (many others) were using the foulest of language?? Your selective criticisms of me are quite the double standard of bitching. > And that doesn't jive with any reasonable philosophy > or science or anything. There's no justification for it. I mean, do > you maybe want to SEE this guy's site before making such a rash > judgment. He's pretty darned bright. And you should just SEE the > astronomy program he wrote AND gives away for free. Ignorant doesn't > seem to fit for this guy. Robin, I have known Mr. Revilla for about two years now, albeit on the internet. Ask him if you don't believe me. His email is: jar He is a brilliant man, and the leading expert on the " Centaurs. " If he thinks that " tropical " has nothing to do with " astronomy, " he is simply wrong. Brilliant people can often be wrong. Best, Ed K > Robin > > , " Ed Kohout <crumpo@e...> " > <crumpo@e...> wrote: > > , " flyfishergal2001 > > <horizons@p...> " <horizons@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > until your message board (a discussion > > > about finding the exact location of Lilith) illustrated to me > that > > > tropical has nothing to do with astronomy! I was aghast! > > > > Robin, > > > > Whoever told you this was either ignorant or lying, > > > > All modern stellar positions are measured in Right Ascension, which > > is tropical by its very definition. > > > > Very best, > > Ed K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Aldebaran is visually in the Constellation of Taurus. http://www.e-z.net/~haworth/constel/constel/taurus.html As for Saturn currently at 28 Taurus 49 http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/planets/article_304_4.asp All celestial objects are defined by three values. Right Ascension, Declination and distance. http://www.draco.scsu.edu/coordinates.html This may induce a rationale for perspective. http://www.draco.scsu.edu/yoursign.html In the world of discovery. There is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Then there is the exception of human conditioning. Jivio --- " Ed Kohout <crumpo " <crumpo wrote: > , > " flyfishergal2001 > <horizons@p...> " <horizons@p...> wrote: > > > > > until your message board (a discussion > > about finding the exact location of Lilith) > illustrated to me that > > tropical has nothing to do with astronomy! I was > aghast! > > Robin, > > Whoever told you this was either ignorant or lying, > > All modern stellar positions are measured in Right > Ascension, which > is tropical by its very definition. > > Very best, > Ed K > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: > - > Un: > - > List owner: > -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 , Juan Oliver <jivio> wrote: > Aldebaran is visually in the Constellation of Taurus. > http://www.e-z.net/~haworth/constel/constel/taurus.html Yes, this is the Bull's Eye, the metaphysical center of the constellation, the alpha star. It is also on the path of the Moon. > As for Saturn currently at 28 Taurus 49 > http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/planets/article_304_4.asp Current IAU boundaries make Taurus about 36 degrees long at the ecliptic, with xi Taurii actually reaching underneath Aries, which is only 24 degrees in ecliptic length. Before the IAU established these boundaries, some of what is not in Taurus was in Orion, and also Eridandus. The Westernmost edge of Taurus has advanced past the solstical point that is the cusp of Cancer in the Trop Zod. But, I guess you can safely say that " Saturn is in Taurus " for the time being, given that graphic you cited. > All celestial objects are defined by three values. > Right Ascension, Declination and distance. > http://www.draco.scsu.edu/coordinates.html No Altitude? Azimuth? Hour Angle? Rise, transit, set? Proper motion? Brightness? Color? Thanks for backing me up on the tropical nature of RA and Declination. - Ed K > This may induce a rationale for perspective. > http://www.draco.scsu.edu/yoursign.html > > In the world of discovery. > There is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but > the truth. Then there is the exception of human > conditioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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