Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 >> The astrologers, who attend this sidereal list, have thrown overboard the tropical zodiac long before they joined sidereal list... *******Nonsense. That's just as intolerant as any other practitioner of some system of astrology declaring that his is the " only correct one. " I don't believe either the 12 " Steps of the Sun " or seasonal increase & decrease in the Sun's light that causes the 12 months of the year, or the various stars that move through those 12 zones over 25,000 years, are the whole truth by themselves, much less that ONLY the understanding of them from Cyril Fagan or from the ancient Vedas, or from this person or that person, is the only correct one. I think that it's likely that both tropical astrology and sidereal astrology may be of use on different levels. I'd be just as interested in hearing about Ebertin's Cosmobiology or John Addey's harmonics or Gauquelin's work (which had no reference to EITHER tropical or sidereal astrology, only to the planets). I'm open to seeing demonstrations of any system that someone thinks is good; I will not swear blind faith to any to the degree that I refuse to look at any other. If that's required here I'll happily go elsewhere, but I hate to think about where the list will go, which is nowhere. Closed-mindedness and Internet discussion lists don't go together, unless you're religious fanatics. Dr. Starman http://www.DrStarman.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Dr. Starman, I just looked in on your site. You've got Sri Yukteswar's yugas messed up. You've transposed Dwarpara and Treta Yuga. The order is: Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali. Each yuga has an ascending and descending cycle, including Kali. So the entire Kali cycle is 2400 rather than 1200 (actually 1290 x 2 or 2580 by modern calculations). Sri Yukteswar's book, THE HOLY SCIENCE is easily ordered through any book store and inexpensive. Why not buy a copy and get it right? Also the end of Kali depends on the ayanamsa used in the sidereal zodiac. The end of Kali in this system should probably be adjusted somewhat from the date given in THE HOLY SCIENCE. Sri Yukteswar used the ayanamsa commonly used when he was alive. Currently I have the end of Kali at 1580, after which the 'electrical age' (Dwapara) began. Terese Dr. Starman wrote: >*******Nonsense. That's just as intolerant as any other practitioner of some >system of astrology declaring that his is the " only correct one. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 My girlfriend told me that Terese interpreted my chart before we went into our holiday activities but I haven't gotten through enough of my 300 emails to read it yet. Thanks Terese I did however read this " Closed-mindedness and Internet discussion lists don't go together, unless you're religious fanatics. " Come on Dr. Starman don't you think you are getting a little out of hand with these thinly disguised insults and dehumanizing remarks of yours? It almost sounds like you are jealous of anyone that speaks with an air of certainty. Its nice that you want to hear about the theories of others but as Chris, my girlfriend(who is speaking as I type this) and I have said before this is a Sidereal club so all of the discussions will favor that point of view. Your manner is reminiscent of a hostile corporate takeover only they are usually furtive about it. Meaning you want to change this to a tropical astrology group or start your own like Panu did with Sidereal Star. Feel free to regress into your usual name-calling I will just go back on hiatus like I have been for the past few weeks DRStarman2001 wrote: >> The astrologers, who attend this sidereal list, have thrown overboard the tropical zodiac long before they joined sidereal list... *******Nonsense. That's just as intolerant as any other practitioner of some system of astrology declaring that his is the " only correct one. " I don't believe either the 12 " Steps of the Sun " or seasonal increase & decrease in the Sun's light that causes the 12 months of the year, or the various stars that move through those 12 zones over 25,000 years, are the whole truth by themselves, much less that ONLY the understanding of them from Cyril Fagan or from the ancient Vedas, or from this person or that person, is the only correct one. I think that it's likely that both tropical astrology and sidereal astrology may be of use on different levels. I'd be just as interested in hearing about Ebertin's Cosmobiology or John Addey's harmonics or Gauquelin's work (which had no reference to EITHER tropical or sidereal astrology, only to the planets). I'm open to seeing demonstrations of any system that someone thinks is good; I will not swear blind faith to any to the degree that I refuse to look at any other. If that's required here I'll happily go elsewhere, but I hate to think about where the list will go, which is nowhere. Closed-mindedness and Internet discussion lists don't go together, unless you're religious fanatics. Dr. Starman http://www.DrStarman.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Message: 4 Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:36:34 -0800 Terese Hamilton <eastwest Part 1: Moon-Venus in AR/TA/GE in 1st I suppose some people on this board wonder why I reply to Ed's posts, which sometimes seem to be geared up for argument or even a fight. (O.K. maybe that's an understatement...) I am indeed interested in your posts about the Parkinson's diseases. I have a few more charts of people with Parkinson disease saved for study. I see in M.Fox's tropical chart, that Mars is in Leo. Mars in Leo is not so badly damaged, because Mars is a fireplanet, Leo is a fire sign. Sidereal Mars is also opposite Ascendant (in Capricornus). I am pleased with Terese mentionning the midpoints. I think the others too. I save them for further study. I assume that Parkinson disease has anything to do with VENUS 45 degr Sun, conjunct with Moon in reception with Mars. Sun in Taurus is very fond of sugar. Sugar needs Vitamine B complex to digest succesfully and so stop the continual trilling. In my eldest sun's chart is Sun also in Taurus and semi/square Venus ruler (not well placed) He is very fond of sugar too only he is lucky, because his Jupiter conjunct Sun and Ascendant in Taurus; so the sugar is for him not bad. He exercises very much too. Jupiter, in my chart is square Neptune, conjunct VI, I am taking Vitamine B Complex in 100 mg, started with 10 mg, later 25 mg and am fairly happy am not teased so much by the trill. Sidereal Mars is the ruler of III (Michael Fox) Meridean house system. My Jupiter is conjunct III too and III is Gemini's house (nervous system)and square Neptune conjunct VI in my chart. As I already told you I practice the Meridean houses. Michael Fox VIth house is occupied by Pluto: Mc..... The value of the sidereal signs is obvious when I am casting a chart for an interview or a talkshow. Usually I see Gemini in top;sometimes Ascendant. Yesterday night I followed a debat of 5 captains of Governments parties in' Holland. (next January 22 we have to vote) They were discussing their program. The financial situation in Holland is in question; how to spend the money on social courses and to so save money too. During the time of debat Mc stayed in Taurus and the captain, who won the debat was the most moderate in spending money. I appreciate Terese's tryout to explain Ed; I have no energy left. He can do it himself by casting events, if he does not reject astrology. Put the computer beside the television. The value of the sidereal signs will soon be obvious to him. The tropicalistes reduce their plaisure in research only by considering the aspects between planetes. I thought this list was to exchange experiences and information. It is such a mass in the list by using two zodiacs. My experience is, from alt astrology, that certain people are not to convince. Probably you all know Paul Schlyter, though I enjoyed the stories which are told to him. Sidereal Anny ______________________ ______________________ ______________________ My Home Page http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ Mission Astrology Group http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html Jack Sirildo Contreras Western Sidereal Astrologer ============================================================================ ______________________ Anny: I agree 100%. Thanks for putting it so well. /// chriswing Thank you Chriswing> > Ed K I have explained here above my way of working. I do not understand what you mean by discarding both zodiacs. I suspect that you are anti astrology. Dear Terese I have not yet missed anything goods from Fagan and Bradley. Maybe you are far in progress, but I am not that far in the technique of astrology; I am learning every day more and quite happy with that. I am delighted for their being courageous to start the process of change. A real Christian deed! It is a very slow process of awakening to consciousness. Have a nice Sunday! Sidereal Anny ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Peace, can you please elaborate on the stars traveling 12 zones every 25,000 years. How would we see this in our daily lives and where can I learn more on this. I have never heard of this concept in astrology before but I saw something on the discovery Civilization channel about the pyramids and 25,000 years. Thanks. DRStarman2001 wrote:>> The astrologers, who attend this sidereal list, have thrown overboard the tropical zodiac long before they joined sidereal list... *******Nonsense. That's just as intolerant as any other practitioner of some system of astrology declaring that his is the " only correct one. " I don't believe either the 12 " Steps of the Sun " or seasonal increase & decrease in the Sun's light that causes the 12 months of the year, or the various stars that move through those 12 zones over 25,000 years, are the whole truth by themselves, much less that ONLY the understanding of them from Cyril Fagan or from the ancient Vedas, or from this person or that person, is the only correct one. I think that it's likely that both tropical astrology and sidereal astrology may be of use on different levels. I'd be just as interested in hearing about Ebertin's Cosmobiology or John Addey's harmonics or Gauquelin's work (which had no reference to EITHER tropical or sidereal astrology, only to the planets). I'm open to seeing demonstrations of any system that someone thinks is good; I will not swear blind faith to any to the degree that I refuse to look at any other. If that's required here I'll happily go elsewhere, but I hate to think about where the list will go, which is nowhere. Closed-mindedness and Internet discussion lists don't go together, unless you're religious fanatics. Dr. Starman http://www.DrStarman.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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