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Robin...

 

I don't really understand so let me say this...

 

If you are gonna do Sidereal... Do it without going

through the process of doing charts in tropical and

then switching them to Sidereal.... That is confusing

and keeps you somewhat in a tropical mindset.

 

Use software that does sidereal or use a sidereal

ephemeris.

 

cast and follow transits to return charts. The moon is

one to follow on a regular basis...

I watch three lunar return charts myself.

they all speak from a " Different " perspective.

1) the straight lunar... your moon position at your

birth was a particular degree and minute within a

" sign " . Every month the moon returns to that position

and a new cycle begins.

2) there are various methods of progresing the moon.

The progressed lunar return is utilized by " some "

siderealists but not all.

3 then there is the lunar phase return. I like this

one (also not recommended by all siderealists). This

is a cycle which begins when the moon and the sun

return to the same position as it was when you were

born (in terms of phase).

 

As for the " new " moon... do a chart for the new moon

as that is the beginning of a new cycle... But do it

in the Sidereal...

 

Jivio

 

--- " flyfishergal2001 <horizons "

<horizons wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the this group, and to the study of

> Sidereal Astrology.

> Been looking into it for about 2 months or so. It

> sure has answered

> a lot of questions for me; that's for sure. Now

> that I have

> discovered it, I realize, of courrse my chart is

> fire oriented (7

> planets/luminaries in fire signs) as opposed to

> earth-heavy, as I

> have believed for years! No wonder I dash about

> through life, never

> creating the standard life foundations of more

> " grounded "

> folks.....and the freer and more independent I am,

> the happier. Very

> un-earth like indeed!

>

> At any rate, I have always paid attention to the

> moon phases......by

> sign and whether it is void of course. The question

> now seems to be

> HOW to follow the Moon by sign and VOC. In

> sidereal.....shall I just

> subtract the 23 degrees and figure the sign THAT

> way, or do we

> calculate the Moon as we do in Tropical? Seems that

> even if we do it

> with the Sidereal.....that it will be very difficult

> to determine

> when it is void of course?

>

> A more tangible question is.......how do we know

> when it's the New

> Moon? If the tropical world says the new moon in

> Sag was Dec. 4, and

> in Sidereal.....we believe the Sun is in

> Scorpio.......shall we

> subtract 23 degrees from the tropical moon and find

> WHEN the Moon

> first hits Scorpio to discover when the New Moon is?

>

> Basically.........because the Moon is so close to

> the Earth and

> orbits the Earth (not the Sun, like most every other

>

> planet)........how does Sidereal really apply

> measurement and sign

> interepretation to the Moon? I guess I have a blind

> spot on this

> subject, and any links or articles that talk of this

> would be most

> appreciated.

>

> Hope this makes sense!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Robin

>

>

>

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Thank you Juan for your very informative reply to my pretty blurry

question! I appreciate it, and understand what my blind spot seems

to be with moving from tropical to sidereal!

 

Will give it a whirl!!!!!!

 

Thanks again!

 

Robin

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" flyfishergal2001 <horizons " <horizons

Question on MOON sign

Hi,

I am new to the this group, and to the study of Sidereal Astrology.

Been looking into it for about 2 months or so. It sure has answered

a lot of questions for me; that's for sure. Now that I have

discovered it, I realize, of courrse my chart is fire oriented (7

planets/luminaries in fire signs) as opposed to earth-heavy, as I

have believed for years! No wonder I dash about through life, never

creating the standard life foundations of more " grounded "

folks.....and the freer and more independent I am, the happier. Very

un-earth like indeed!

At any rate, I have always paid attention to the moon phases......by

sign and whether it is void of course. The question now seems to be

HOW to follow the Moon by sign and VOC. In sidereal.....shall I just

subtract the 23 degrees and figure the sign THAT way, or do we

calculate the Moon as we do in Tropical? Seems that even if we do it

with the Sidereal.....that it will be very difficult to determine

when it is void of course?

 

*******That apparently depends, it seems, on which sidereal zodiac you wish

to use -- -- -- the actual stars, or a sort of " idealized " sidereal zodiac

where the constellations are divided into 12 equal zones of 30 degrees each,

which apparently some sidereal astrologers want to use, according to what

I've heard here. If you want to use the actual stars, I guess you would turn

to the listing of where the stars currently are by longitude. So you would

have to figure out when the Moon was actually leaving one constellation and

when it was entering the next.

 

 

> A more tangible question is.......how do we know when it's the New

> Moon? If the tropical world says the new moon in Sag was Dec. 4, and

> in Sidereal.....we believe the Sun is in Scorpio.......shall we

> subtract 23 degrees from the tropical moon and find WHEN the Moon

> first hits Scorpio to discover when the New Moon is?

> Basically.........because the Moon is so close to the Earth and

> orbits the Earth (not the Sun, like most every other

> planet)........how does Sidereal really apply measurement and sign

> interepretation to the Moon? I guess I have a blind spot on this

> subject, and any links or articles that talk of this would be most

> appreciated.

> Hope this makes sense!

> Thanks,

> Robin

 

*******When it's new moon and full moon is completely unaffected by the

debate between tropical and sidereal astrology. The moon is conjunct the sun

or opposed to the sun at the same moment, regardless of what is in the

background astronomically. All of the aspects of the planets, in fact, like

Mercury squaring Mars or the sun opposed Saturn or Venus trine Jupiter or

what ever, are exactly the same in either system. The only thing that changes

is what we picture being behind them.

 

Dr. Starman

http://www.DrStarman.net

 

 

 

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At 09:51 AM 12/23/02 -0800, Robin wrote:

> At any rate, I have always paid attention to the moon phases......by

>> sign and whether it is void of course. The question

>> now seems to be HOW to follow the Moon by sign and VOC...that it will be

very difficult

>> to determine when it is void of course?

 

The times and date of the void of course Moon will be different in the

Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs. Obviously, since the Moon's degree position

will be different. A planet in say 28 degrees of Tropical Aries (and

perhaps void-of-course) will be in early Aries in the sidereal zodiac.

 

>> A more tangible question is.......how do we know

>> when it's the New Moon?

 

The new Moon is the New Moon, that is when it's exactly conjunct the Sun.

Any sign in any zodiac.

 

>>shall we subtract 23 degrees from the tropical moon and find WHEN the Moon

>> first hits Scorpio to discover when the New Moon is?

 

It sounds here as if instead of 'new moon' you mean when the Moon enters an

astrological sign. The western sidereal astrologers used to have a really

neat way of changing from the Tropical to sidereal zodiac (before

computers). Instead of SUBTRACTING 23 degrees (or whatever the amount is)

from Tropoical positions, they would ADD the difference between 23 and 30

degrees to the Tropical signs and GO BACK ONE SIGN. This is SO much easier

than working with the 23 degree figure. Usually the conversion is somewhere

between 5 and 8 degrees (adding that to the Tropical figures.) Usually this

simple conversion can be done mentally.

 

Terese

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Thanks Terese!

 

Yes, I later found that article about the EASY way to convert --

probably in the Sidereal.zip files. Soooooo much easier!

 

Also in the zip files......I loved the Fagan explanation of the cappy

who was really all Saggy.....which was my experience. Fun to see

yourself used as an example!

 

Thanks for everything. I look forward to further discussions with

you.....I appreciate what you said during the Great Debate last week.

 

Robin

 

, Terese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 09:51 AM 12/23/02 -0800, Robin wrote:

> > At any rate, I have always paid attention to the moon

phases......by

> >> sign and whether it is void of course. The question

> >> now seems to be HOW to follow the Moon by sign and VOC...that it

will be

> very difficult

> >> to determine when it is void of course?

>

> The times and date of the void of course Moon will be different in

the

> Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs. Obviously, since the Moon's degree

position

> will be different. A planet in say 28 degrees of Tropical Aries (and

> perhaps void-of-course) will be in early Aries in the sidereal

zodiac.

>

> >> A more tangible question is.......how do we know

> >> when it's the New Moon?

>

> The new Moon is the New Moon, that is when it's exactly conjunct

the Sun.

> Any sign in any zodiac.

>

> >>shall we subtract 23 degrees from the tropical moon and find WHEN

the Moon

> >> first hits Scorpio to discover when the New Moon is?

>

> It sounds here as if instead of 'new moon' you mean when the Moon

enters an

> astrological sign. The western sidereal astrologers used to have a

really

> neat way of changing from the Tropical to sidereal zodiac (before

> computers). Instead of SUBTRACTING 23 degrees (or whatever the

amount is)

> from Tropoical positions, they would ADD the difference between 23

and 30

> degrees to the Tropical signs and GO BACK ONE SIGN. This is SO much

easier

> than working with the 23 degree figure. Usually the conversion is

somewhere

> between 5 and 8 degrees (adding that to the Tropical figures.)

Usually this

> simple conversion can be done mentally.

>

> Terese

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At 11:35 PM 12/27/02 -0000, Robin wrote:

 

>Thanks for everything. I look forward to further discussions with

>you.....I appreciate what you said during the Great Debate last week.

 

And thank you, Robin! I mean thanks for reading what I write....doesn't

always happen.

 

Terese

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