One Last Word on Sidereal Signs?????

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Terese,

 

You are treading dangerous waters below. Let me explain:

 

 

, Terese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 11:09 PM 12/18/02 -0000, Ed K wrote:

>

> >Believe me, when I was learning astrology, I tried all these

> >different rulership schemes, and found them to be rather silly, no

> >matter what zodiac I was using. The outer three planets'

rulerships

> >are even more silly, as are their exaltations and falls.

> >

> >Mars square Venus is the same no matter what signs they are in.

> ------------------------------

>

> Well, Ed, you didn't try hard enough.

 

!!

 

 

 

> Below are some charts I pulled out of

> the Rodden-McDonough AstroDatabase. These charts are a comparison

of Mars

> square Moon. Mars is in the 7th house in all cases and the Moon is

in 10th.

> The only difference is the sign of Mars.

 

Mars and Moon, you mean.

 

 

 

> (The Cosmobiologists threw out the

> signs because they never looked at the sidereal zodiac.)

 

OH?? Where did you find this bit of fiction? Have the

Cosmobiologists since then begun to use sidereal values for the

planets? I think not!

 

 

 

> The sidereal theory is that a planet behaves well in the sign of its

> exaltation or the sign it owns.

 

As is such in tropical schemes.

 

 

 

> Often social status is involved. Planets in

> their falls generally point to misfortune of some kind.

>

> (This post is also an example of how to argue intelligently about

the

> zodiacs.)

 

Er, well, we'll see about that. There are many problems with your

efforts here. The first is that you have presented limited data on

13 people, out of the millions who have had a Moon/Mars square.

These character profiles are quite thin and tell us very little about

the person, as well as nothing about what other elements of their

charts are of note. For instance, we don't know if Joyce Balbontin

has ever had a tragedy, let alone a bad day. Could not the group you

consider to have wonderful lives have also had Jupiter in the fray?

 

Then, you offer nothing as a control group. Are there no people with

Mars/Moon squares in other signs that have fame or misfortune? How

about people whose lives are full of torment with Moon.Mars trines?

We'll never know with your skewed presentation.

 

To say that the signs of the planets have such sway over the charts

is patent nonsense. It's fairy tale astrology from long ago, in a

time before Uranus and Neptune, and the inability to determine the

solstices and equinoxes with precision.

 

Your presentation below wouldn't pass for proof on Gaquelin's worst

day. It is a non-starter right off the bat.

 

Very best,

 

- Ed K

 

 

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>

> MARS IN SIDEREAL CANCER (FALL) IN HOUSE 7; MOON IN LIBRA (MARS

SQUARE MOON):

>

> Crawford, Helen American astrologer and teacher. She has

been married

> three times. She thwarted three attempted rapes.

>

> Farida, Queen " Egyptian royalty with her marriage to King Farouk

1/20/1938

> and they had three daughters. She was subjected to humiliation and

> indignity with his disregard, infidelities and insults that caused

her a

> great loss of face. They divorced 11/17/1948.

> ...Farida died of leukemia and complications 10/16/1988. "

>

> Family Distress 6872 American female. At age eight, her mother

hanged

> herself. As a married adult, she adopted two children. Her

daughter had

> cerebral palsy and her son was considered gifted but couldn't read

and was

> rebellious. When the kids were still small, she divorced.

>

> Stillborn infant 1018 American case of stillborn infant who was the

> nineteenth child in the family.

>

> COMMENT: Not the most fortunate profiles, are they?? Now let's look

at Mars

> exalted in Capricorn square the Moon in Aries:

> ----

>

> MARS IN CAPRICORN (EXALTATION) SQUARE THE MOON IN ARIES:

>

> Balbontin, Joyce American astrologer, a pro in the San

Francisco area.

>

> Charion, Johannes " German pro astrologer, a mathematician,

physicist,

> physician and humanist influenced by Melanchthon and Martin

Luther. He was

> the court astrologer of elector Joachim I of Brandenburg, and a

notorious

> wine-drinker. He practiced mundane and predictive astrology,

looking for

> **catastrophes and disasters**. His books include one on planet

influences

> in 1538.

>

> Delibes, Leo " French composer of operas and ballets, an organist

and choir

> director. He studied music in Paris and became a chorus singer and

a

> student at the conservatory, 1848-1853. He became an accompanist at

the

> " " Theatre Lyrique " " and other various Paris churches. With his

first stage

> work being done in 1856, he then turned to writing operas and

ballets from

> 1863. His best known work was " " Lakme, " " and two of his ballets

> " " Coppelia " " and " " Sylvia. " "

>

> Fischer, Bobby " American chess grandmaster who won his first

championship

> at age 14 in 1957. He was defeated by Larry Evans in 1962, won

again in

> 1963, lost again in 1968 and won again in 1971. He became the

World Chess

> Champ by defeating Russia's Boris Spassky on 9/02/1972.

> His attitude was so antagonistic that he was exiled from the game.

After

> twenty years, his exile was ended in a 9/02/1992 re-match with his

old

> opponent, Boris Spassky. The match was held on the island of

Svetistefan.

> The two began play at 3:00 PM and were to play until one won ten

games.

> Fischer won the duel in November of 1992, winning the top prize of

$3.35

> million. "

>

> Keston, Brad " American child actor, he first worked 1/30/1980 from

age

> nine. He worked on different series, also appearing in many

commercials.

> Some of his roles included: " " Trapper John, MD, " " " " Taxi " "

and " " Different

> Strokes. " " "

>

> Oliver, Susan " American actress, one of the most familiar faces

seen on TV,

> appearing in hundreds of series episodes from the mid-'50s to mid-

'70s.

> Onscreen from 1957, her work ranged from " " Father Knows Best " "

to " " Night

> Gallery, " " as well as her role as a regular on the daytime

soap " " Days of

> Our Lives, " " in the mid '70s. Her longest running role on TV was

that of

> Ann Howard in the popular soap opera " " Peyton Place. " " Among her

directing

> credits were episodes of " " M*A*S*H*, " " and " " Trapper John M.D. " "

> ...She became an author, director and pilot, winning the Powder

Puff Derby

> race in 1970 with her own leer jet. She was named Pilot of the

Year by the

> Association of Executive Pilots. In her book " " Odyssey, " " 1983, she

> described her attempts to be the first woman to fly a single-engine

plane

> from New York to Moscow.

>

> CIA Agent 4748 American CIA agent.

>

> COMMENT: Funny, isn't it? These people with an exalted Mars

aspecting a

> 10th house Moon seem to have status and fortune. And strong Martian

type

> personalites too. Hmmm.....Interesting.....

> --------

>

> And finally, MARS IN ITS OWN SIGN OF SCORPIO SQUARING A 10TH HOUSE

MOON IN

> AQUARIUS:

>

> Hersh, Seymour " American investigative reporter and author

who has often

> been labeled a master of governmental expose. He is noted for his

> award-winning articles on the My Lai massacre, CIA domestic spying

and

> wiretaps, and other major stories. He was named the recipient of a

> Pulitzer Prize in 1970 and has written four controversial books as

he was

> once quoted as saying, " " I want people to know the truth. " " He

earned his

> B.A. in history in 1958 and began his journalism career the

following year

> as a copy boy. Later, he became a police reporter, worked for the

UPI,

> became a member of the Washington Press Corps and reported as a

> correspondent to the Pentagon.

> On 11/10/1997, his biography, " " The Dark Side of Camelot, " " was

published

> with a $1 million advance. The reviewers were harder on Hersh than

on his

> subject, John F. Kennedy, calling the book a rehash of gossip and

biased

> reporting. He serves up long-standing rumors, many of which are

> unsubstantiated, about JFK's alleged mob connections, a brief

marriage in

> 1947 and a history of venereal disease, as well as the womanizing

that is

> no longer news...The product of a happy childhood, he is a self-

styled

> outsider, brash and fearless who does not mind being labeled a

hothead...

> When he is not beating the bushes for issues to attack, he is making

> ferocious moves on the tennis court. "

>

> Ritchie, Brenda " American talent manager of vocal artists;

the former wife

> of Lionel Ritchie. She and Lionel met at Tuskegee University and

fell in

> love. With the outstanding success of his melodic, superbly

crafted songs,

> they were able to marry in 1975 and, by December 1983, move into a

Bel Air

> mansion in Southern California. In June 1988, Brenda was arrested

for a

> loud and physical ruckus, outraged to find her husband with model

Diane

> Alexander in Alexander's apartment.

> On 4/24/1991, Lionel issued a statement to the press that their 16-

year

> marriage was over and they planned to divorce. With a lifetime of

> experience in the music industry through her ex-husband, Brenda

opened her

> own management office. "

>

> COMMENT: Well, this Scorpio Mars seems to bring a bit of aggression

with

> it, but also success in the worldy sense. In other words in its own

sign of

> Scorpio Mars is being Mars. Surprise, surprise!!

>

> I rest my case.

>

> The above is Copyright Institute for East-West Stuides 2002 (part

of my

> book...may be re-printed on the Internet and/or paper as long as

credit is

> given to the author and the Institute for East-West Studies, Mount

Shasta,

> CA. All biographaical material is from the Rodden/McDonough

AstroDatabase.

>

> Terese Hamilton

> December 18, 2002