Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 In a message dated 7/7/2002 3:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kazikluder writes: > This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. > What do you think of it nothing supports the tropical zodiac. it is a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac? Hello and Greetings, During the last two weeks there have been floods, as you know, with Jupiter and Mars (much power) in Tropical Cancer. Specially powerful were the floods of two weeks ago (22/23 Jun) when Neptune (water) opposed Venus. Pluto is in its own Sidereal sign of Scorpio, opposing (faintly) Saturn, seemed to be insufficient to explain the whole fact. And during the apocaliptic floods of 1993 the Sun was in Tropical Cancer square Jupiter in Tropical Libra, and the almost perfect Uranus/Neptune conjunction opposed Tropical Cancer, and Pluto in Scorpio (violent water) opposed Venus in Libra (Earth), thought these last two were also in their Sidereal Signs. This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. What do you think of it? This is not an attempt to criticize anything, but to find the truth of the Zodiac. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 In a message dated 7/8/2002 3:38:35 PM Central Daylight Time, eastwest writes: > > Vedic (Jyotish) astrolgoers tend to be more polite and accepting. That's > why the tremendous grown for Jyotish and almost zero for Fagan-Bradley. > i did not realise that astrology was a popularity contest. i stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 Alex " Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac " Only the ones that are caused by clogged toilets! Your concept is about silly as anything I've ever heard about the differences between Sidereal and Tropical Astrology. I suggest you develop a formula that has more going for it than relating to a couple of Floods with an association(?) to Cancer(Trop) in 1993 and 2002. Did the Flood of 1998 correlate with your findings? Suggest you study Transits to Solar Ingress's most notably the cardinal ingress's. I think you'll have better success determining the differences between Sidereal and Tropical. Both Astrologies are cyclical based and both can delineated within their parameters. Sidereal allows for greater dependence defining the " nature " of planets and their inherent qualities as they compliment one another and the angles. John kazikluder [sMTP:kazikluder] Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:17 PM Precession Debate 2: Floods Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac? Hello and Greetings, During the last two weeks there have been floods, as you know, with Jupiter and Mars (much power) in Tropical Cancer. Specially powerful were the floods of two weeks ago (22/23 Jun) when Neptune (water) opposed Venus. Pluto is in its own Sidereal sign of Scorpio, opposing (faintly) Saturn, seemed to be insufficient to explain the whole fact. And during the apocaliptic floods of 1993 the Sun was in Tropical Cancer square Jupiter in Tropical Libra, and the almost perfect Uranus/Neptune conjunction opposed Tropical Cancer, and Pluto in Scorpio (violent water) opposed Venus in Libra (Earth), thought these last two were also in their Sidereal Signs. This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. What do you think of it? This is not an attempt to criticize anything, but to find the truth of the Zodiac. Alex " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 You need to say where these floods are happening. That's important. Exact dates and exactly where? (lat and long) Also, what about the huge fires in AZ and CO and Quebec?? What are the dates and locales for those? At 08:16 PM 7/7/02 -0000, you wrote: >Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac? > >Hello and Greetings, >During the last two weeks there have been floods, as you know, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 At 04:47 PM 7/7/02 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/7/2002 3:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, >kazikluder writes: > > >> This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. >> What do you think of it > > " nothing supports the tropical zodiac. it is a myth. " And, Sidereal gentlemen, this attitude is the reason that the Fagan-Bradley brand of sideralism is almost extinct. You may be right (I tend to agree...), but this kind of statement is a total put-off to anyone with a valid question about the zodiac. Vedic (Jyotish) astrolgoers tend to be more polite and accepting. That's why the tremendous grown for Jyotish and almost zero for Fagan-Bradley. Terrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Terrie I hope you're wrong... The very few Siderealists there are, (there has always been a few) are passionate about the science. " Fagan-Bradley brand of Siderealism " is almost extinct because we Siderealists have not collectively advanced an agenda. Outside of Ken Bowser, I can't think of a Siderealist who does " readings " . Most Siderealists are researchers and do not advance a commercial agenda but rather a profound individualism. Rather than attempt to disguise themselves within the agenda of tropical astrology(to make $$$) which some sidereal minded astrologers have done; Siderealists retain idealism with a stubborn attitude. As for " a valid question about the zodiac. " well I gotta tell ya.....kazikluder statement " This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. " was based on a ridiculous supposition. " What do you think of it " The validity of this question escapes me. I understand Chris's statement because as a Siderealist I look at the Constellations and cast charts. A tropicalist creates a zodiac based on the Sun/Earth relationship(Spring equinox= Aires)(Not to be confused with the constellation Aires) and casts charts. Both create charts and utilize similar language. You know the scenario..... If you are right Terrie.... Engage your ambitions to develop a strong Siderealist agenda... Jivio Terese Hamilton [sMTP:eastwest] Monday, July 08, 2002 3:36 PM Re: Precession Debate 2: Floods At 04:47 PM 7/7/02 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/7/2002 3:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, >kazikluder writes: > > >> This would support the case for the Tropical Zodiac. >> What do you think of it > > " nothing supports the tropical zodiac. it is a myth. " And, Sidereal gentlemen, this attitude is the reason that the Fagan-Bradley brand of sideralism is almost extinct. You may be right (I tend to agree...), but this kind of statement is a total put-off to anyone with a valid question about the zodiac. Vedic (Jyotish) astrolgoers tend to be more polite and accepting. That's why the tremendous grown for Jyotish and almost zero for Fagan-Bradley. Terrie " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 It's general - let me explain Hello, The 1993 and 2002 floods happened in Central United States in the months I mentioned (I don't remember exact dates or hours); the fires happened, as you say (and if I don't err in this), in AZ, CO, and Quebec; and yesterday there was another in British Columbia. My point is that 1. There had had to be a certain amount of astral power to cause or make generally possible those incidents, 2. which affected certain areas of the world according to astro-geographical or -possibly- even astro-geopolitical mechanisms. 3. The position of the planets that might have powered that effects is mentioned in my original letter, and it could -just could- support the case for the Tropical Zodiac, withoud discarding the Sidereal one. , Terese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > You need to say where these floods are happening. That's important. Exact dates and exactly where? (lat and long) Also, what about the huge fires in AZ and CO and Quebec?? What are the dates and locales for those? > > At 08:16 PM 7/7/02 -0000, you wrote: Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac? Hello and Greetings, During the last two weeks there have been floods, as you know, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 In a message dated 7/9/2002 5:43:10 PM Central Daylight Time, kazikluder writes: > 3. The position of the planets that might have powered that effects is > mentioned in my original letter, and it could -just could- support the > case for the Tropical Zodiac, withoud discarding the Sidereal one. > > i think i know what you're getting at but here's a point or 2. certainly storms (lightning) and other acts of nature are tropical events in that they are earth related. i doubt if astrology describes acts of god. however, fires caused by individuals ... that could be zeroed in on astrologically (sidereal, of course) because it's a matter of character and personal events. Now, if a dam collapses, a birth chart of the dam itself would have to be examined vis-a-vis the transits/returns at play at time of collapse. Or a town being destroyed by fire . . . the birth date of that town would have to be found, charted and compared with its transits/progressions/returns, etc. the ACTION of a fire is not important until it impacts an individual, be it a person, town or what have you. that's my take on it, anyway. /// chriswing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Suggest you study the effects of Solar Wind and Sun Spots. There is a lot of " general " information available there that relates to floods, fires and the like. John kazikluder [sMTP:kazikluder] Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:43 PM Re: Precession Debate 2: Floods It's general - let me explain Hello, The 1993 and 2002 floods happened in Central United States in the months I mentioned (I don't remember exact dates or hours); the fires happened, as you say (and if I don't err in this), in AZ, CO, and Quebec; and yesterday there was another in British Columbia. My point is that 1. There had had to be a certain amount of astral power to cause or make generally possible those incidents, 2. which affected certain areas of the world according to astro-geographical or -possibly- even astro-geopolitical mechanisms. 3. The position of the planets that might have powered that effects is mentioned in my original letter, and it could -just could- support the case for the Tropical Zodiac, withoud discarding the Sidereal one. , Terese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > You need to say where these floods are happening. That's important. Exact dates and exactly where? (lat and long) Also, what about the huge fires in AZ and CO and Quebec?? What are the dates and locales for those? > > At 08:16 PM 7/7/02 -0000, you wrote: Are floods ruled by the Tropical Zodiac? Hello and Greetings, During the last two weeks there have been floods, as you know, " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Just a quick comment about floods, fires, explosions, etc. I would tend to look at the background of stars and their myths rather than either the Tropical or Sidereal zodiac. For example, the stream of water from Aquarius falls in part of sidereal Capricorn, the goat-fish. But it's the planets that really matter: Mars is fiery, Venus is watery, etc. This last Jupiter/Saturn conjuction happened at the end of Sidereal Aries and in the lunar mansion of fiery Krittika. Look at what's happened: record fires, the twin tower terrorist attacks, continued wars, suicide bombings, explosions, etc. Presently there's a heat wave affecting much of the U.S. To discuss recent floods and fires it would be helpful to post a list of months and locations, for example: Co fires (approx beg and ending dates). I don't have time to look everything up. (I delete old posts so don't have any info that might have been posted already on dates and locations.) There will be a lot more going on than planets in zodiac signs. Parans are probably more significant for mudane events than zodiac positions. Terrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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