The Hindu Prime Minister

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Vajpayee? Let's look at his chart. it is very interesting. He has a

Martian sign rising with two planets in it, and three planets in

Sagittarius, a fiery sign. So he is a person who could be involved

with war and with the armed forces.

 

Currently, the major period of Jupiter is operating. Jupiter is one

of the planets in the fiery sign. The sub period is also Jupiter's,

until August of 2003. Jupiter is too benefic to involve him in a

major war as the lord of both the major aswell as the sub period.

 

In August of 2003, however, he enters into the sub period of Saturn.

Saturn receives the aspect of Mars, who owns the house of warring and

enemies, the sixth. It also owns the ascendent. So the aspect of Mars

on Saturn indicates that the sub period of Saturn should involve him

in warring and belicose activity.

 

Unfortunately, Saturn sits in the house of loss. So there will be

great losses if he does face war.

 

And notice that Saturn aspects the major lord Jupiter. The sub period

of Saturn, given Saturn's aspect to the lord of the major period,

tells us that the worst manifestation of Saturn's loss, anguish,

violence and all that will be in the sub period ofSaturn, in Jupiter-

Saturn.

 

But this is in August of 2003.

 

This is my initial take. Any ideas?

 

Dharma

 

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Hi Dharma,

 

I think one of the basic problems with figuring Indian affairs is the

unreliability of the PM's chart. Not only is the time contested, but also

the *year* he was born. I wouldn't mind having a discussion of data

sources in advance of chart analysis.

 

Chris

 

 

At 01:45 AM 5/25/02 -0000, deandddd wrote:

>Vajpayee? Let's look at his chart. it is very interesting. He has a

>Martian sign rising with two planets in it, and three planets in

>Sagittarius, a fiery sign. So he is a person who could be involved

>with war and with the armed forces.

>

>Currently, the major period of Jupiter is operating. Jupiter is one

>of the planets in the fiery sign. The sub period is also Jupiter's,

>until August of 2003. Jupiter is too benefic to involve him in a

>major war as the lord of both the major aswell as the sub period.

>

>In August of 2003, however, he enters into the sub period of Saturn.

>Saturn receives the aspect of Mars, who owns the house of warring and

>enemies, the sixth. It also owns the ascendent. So the aspect of Mars

>on Saturn indicates that the sub period of Saturn should involve him

>in warring and belicose activity.

>

>Unfortunately, Saturn sits in the house of loss. So there will be

>great losses if he does face war.

>

>And notice that Saturn aspects the major lord Jupiter. The sub period

>of Saturn, given Saturn's aspect to the lord of the major period,

>tells us that the worst manifestation of Saturn's loss, anguish,

>violence and all that will be in the sub period ofSaturn, in Jupiter-

>Saturn.

>

>But this is in August of 2003.

>

>This is my initial take. Any ideas?

>

>Dharma

>

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Chris,

 

The unreliability of Vajpayee's chart was brought to my attention on

another list. I think that it is a matter of an earlier birth,

though, that's all. Other Hindu astrologers have adjusted the birth

time just a bit to get Libra on the ascendent, and this gives a chart

which corresponds fairly well.

 

Here is something which I wrote about it on another list:

 

 

It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian astrologers

are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more like it! He

has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first.

 

It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there wasn't much

strength to it.

 

When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of Vajpayee,

instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, and for the

better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to indicate a manin

such a high position.

 

Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of 2003.

Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will win the

popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from the house

of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top as Saturn is

so, so strong.

 

Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him strong karma

in relation to the armed forces, especially since Sagittarius is

there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the ninth, a trine,

and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior.

 

The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the determined, hard-as-

nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as compared to the

weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising situation, coupled

with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of strong leader

which India needs.

 

Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub period of Saturn

begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for him. At the

very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too.

 

Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it has the

baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period will be

different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and lordship are as

perfect as can be.

 

In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are Venus-

Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the ascendent

lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the umblemished

lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed forces and

strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga in that chart

involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord and the lords

of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is strong.

Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian sub period,

thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out strong,

that is for sure.

 

Any opinions,comments? Has Vajpayee's chart ever been discussed on

this list before?

 

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Dharma/Dean