Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 I see no reason for debate. After studing astrology for 50 yrs. it is so obvious that sidereal rules! Royale wrote: > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > ------ > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Digest Number 284 > " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal > 2. Re: Precession Debate 1 > Kevin Bold <karmabum15237 > 3. Re: Digest Number 284 > Juan Oliver <jivio > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:28:29 -0800 > " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal > Re: Digest Number 284 > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:54 AM > Digest Number 284 > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > >/ > >------ > > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Precession Debate 1 > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > > > > >______________________ > >______________________ > > > >Message: 1 > > Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > >Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > > > >Have you actually compared people with Tropical Sun in Aries to the > description of thier sign? Who will you bring to mind? Everyone I can > think of such ar Marlon Brando, Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence are not > dynamic, energetic or great leaders. Many will desagree with this because > of the roles these people play in movies but it is just that a role. If you > examine the personal lives all these people you will find few examples of > them being like a true Aries. On the other hand, Tropical Taurus has many > people that have lead archtypical Aries lives Jet Li, Adolf Hitler, Malcom > X, The Professional wrestler known as The Rock, and Al Pacino. Center in > on the nature of the spirits that guide these men. All of the give > passionate and angry speeches (except Jet Li). All of the were combative > and in most cases have either been an army of one or lead an army. > > > >Damon > > There is no debate. The questions have been answered 4 fold with no retort. > Tropical Aries is a mislable for Sidereal Pisces. Shall we now unseat the > rest of the tropical signs? > > Jack > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:05:18 -0800 (PST) > Kevin Bold <karmabum15237 > Re: Precession Debate 1 > > Hello, everyone. > > The important thing to remember about precession vs > nonprecession is this: The Sidereal zodiac gives > better results for techniques using transits than the > Tropical zodiac. It isn't so much about " new improved > sun signs " as it is about things like Solar, Lunar, > and planetary returns. > > Consider: > > You left home several years ago, and you'd like to > visit your hometown. However, unknown to you, someone > rearranges the street signs every other month, and no > one bothers to put them back or tries to find out who > does it. Naturally, when you return, you can't find > the house where you grew up. > > It's the same way when calibrating the zodiac by using > a point that moves, relative to the fixed stars, as > your beginning point. In the long run, it causes > confusion. > > Later, > Kevin > > > > Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) > Juan Oliver <jivio > Re: Digest Number 284 > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > > to Antares? " ----- > > It's in the constellation Ophiuchus! > > --- " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:54 AM > > Digest Number 284 > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > > to Antares? " ----- > > > > > > Post message: > > > Subscribe: > > - > > > Un: > > - > > > List owner: > > -owner > > > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > > >/ > > > >------ > > > > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > > > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > > > 1. Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > > > > > > > > >______________________ > > > >______________________ > > > > > >Message: 1 > > > Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) > > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > >Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > > > > > > >Have you actually compared people with Tropical Sun > > in Aries to the > > description of thier sign? Who will you bring to > > mind? Everyone I can > > think of such ar Marlon Brando, Eddie Murphy and > > Martin Lawrence are not > > dynamic, energetic or great leaders. Many will > > desagree with this because > > of the roles these people play in movies but it is > > just that a role. If you > > examine the personal lives all these people you will > > find few examples of > > them being like a true Aries. On the other hand, > > Tropical Taurus has many > > people that have lead archtypical Aries lives Jet > > Li, Adolf Hitler, Malcom > > X, The Professional wrestler known as The Rock, and > > Al Pacino. Center in > > on the nature of the spirits that guide these men. > > All of the give > > passionate and angry speeches (except Jet Li). All > > of the were combative > > and in most cases have either been an army of one or > > lead an army. > > > > > >Damon > > > > > > > > There is no debate. The questions have been answered > > 4 fold with no retort. > > Tropical Aries is a mislable for Sidereal Pisces. > > Shall we now unseat the > > rest of the tropical signs? > > > > Jack > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 50 years of studying astrology demonstrates strong interest and an individual endowed with experience. It does not make one all-knowing, correct or an intellect beyond reproach. Check your cereal box for a merit badge. Astrology, both sidereal(how many?) and tropical are flawed. As the astrology's polarize, they fail to reveal their synchronicity. The language of the stars is a composite of dialects and not one of those dialects the entire language. The constellations do not appear in the sky physically in 30 degree divisions yet are defined as such. Do the perimeters of the constellations define where the source of influence emanates? If Pluto currently appears in the constellation of Ophiuchus why argue that it is in Sagittarius or Scorpio? Fiducial points abound with ecliptic stars and nodes. We have come to appreciate tendencies for facts. A sun sign in itself does not " rule " the definition of a personality. jivio seeker [sMTP:seeker] Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:07 PM Re: Digest Number 285 I see no reason for debate. After studing astrology for 50 yrs. it is so obvious that sidereal rules! Royale wrote: > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > ------ > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Digest Number 284 > " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal > 2. Re: Precession Debate 1 > Kevin Bold <karmabum15237 > 3. Re: Digest Number 284 > Juan Oliver <jivio > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:28:29 -0800 > " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal > Re: Digest Number 284 > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:54 AM > Digest Number 284 > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > >/ > >------ > > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: Precession Debate 1 > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > > > > >______________________ > >______________________ > > > >Message: 1 > > Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > >Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > > > >Have you actually compared people with Tropical Sun in Aries to the > description of thier sign? Who will you bring to mind? Everyone I can > think of such ar Marlon Brando, Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence are not > dynamic, energetic or great leaders. Many will desagree with this because > of the roles these people play in movies but it is just that a role. If you > examine the personal lives all these people you will find few examples of > them being like a true Aries. On the other hand, Tropical Taurus has many > people that have lead archtypical Aries lives Jet Li, Adolf Hitler, Malcom > X, The Professional wrestler known as The Rock, and Al Pacino. Center in > on the nature of the spirits that guide these men. All of the give > passionate and angry speeches (except Jet Li). All of the were combative > and in most cases have either been an army of one or lead an army. > > > >Damon > > There is no debate. The questions have been answered 4 fold with no retort. > Tropical Aries is a mislable for Sidereal Pisces. Shall we now unseat the > rest of the tropical signs? > > Jack > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:05:18 -0800 (PST) > Kevin Bold <karmabum15237 > Re: Precession Debate 1 > > Hello, everyone. > > The important thing to remember about precession vs > nonprecession is this: The Sidereal zodiac gives > better results for techniques using transits than the > Tropical zodiac. It isn't so much about " new improved > sun signs " as it is about things like Solar, Lunar, > and planetary returns. > > Consider: > > You left home several years ago, and you'd like to > visit your hometown. However, unknown to you, someone > rearranges the street signs every other month, and no > one bothers to put them back or tries to find out who > does it. Naturally, when you return, you can't find > the house where you grew up. > > It's the same way when calibrating the zodiac by using > a point that moves, relative to the fixed stars, as > your beginning point. In the long run, it causes > confusion. > > Later, > Kevin > > > > Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) > Juan Oliver <jivio > Re: Digest Number 284 > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > > to Antares? " ----- > > It's in the constellation Ophiuchus! > > --- " Jack S. Contreras " <sidereal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:54 AM > > Digest Number 284 > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > > to Antares? " ----- > > > > > > Post message: > > > Subscribe: > > - > > > Un: > > - > > > List owner: > > -owner > > > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > > >/ > > > >------ > > > > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > > > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > > > 1. Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > > > > > > > > >______________________ > > > >______________________ > > > > > >Message: 1 > > > Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) > > > Dee Parker <sher_e_khan > > >Re: Precession Debate 1 > > > > > > > > >Have you actually compared people with Tropical Sun > > in Aries to the > > description of thier sign? Who will you bring to > > mind? Everyone I can > > think of such ar Marlon Brando, Eddie Murphy and > > Martin Lawrence are not > > dynamic, energetic or great leaders. Many will > > desagree with this because > > of the roles these people play in movies but it is > > just that a role. If you > > examine the personal lives all these people you will > > find few examples of > > them being like a true Aries. On the other hand, > > Tropical Taurus has many > > people that have lead archtypical Aries lives Jet > > Li, Adolf Hitler, Malcom > > X, The Professional wrestler known as The Rock, and > > Al Pacino. Center in > > on the nature of the spirits that guide these men. > > All of the give > > passionate and angry speeches (except Jet Li). All > > of the were combative > > and in most cases have either been an army of one or > > lead an army. > > > > > >Damon > > > > > > > > There is no debate. The questions have been answered > > 4 fold with no retort. > > Tropical Aries is a mislable for Sidereal Pisces. > > Shall we now unseat the > > rest of the tropical signs? > > > > Jack > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 " 50 years of studying astrology demonstrates strong interest and an individual endowed with experience. It does not make one all-knowing, correct or an intellect beyond reproach. Check your cereal box for a merit badge............. " Cynical remarks such as this have no place in a group where everyone is trying to come together on a topic that already places them as outsiders to society at large. We don't need people with self esteem issues trying to blow the ego bubbles of other members. Lets stay focused on what the group is about, keep the gloves on and stay above the belt Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Dee Parker [sMTP:sher_e_khan] Friday, March 08, 2002 12:38 PM RE: Digest Number 285 " 50 years of studying astrology demonstrates strong interest and an individual endowed with experience. It does not make one all-knowing, correct or an intellect beyond reproach. Check your cereal box for a merit badge............. " Cynical remarks such as this have no place in a group where everyone is trying to come together on a topic that already places them as outsiders to society at large. We don't need people with self esteem issues trying to blow the ego bubbles of other members. Lets stay focused on what the group is about, keep the gloves on and stay above the belt EXUuuuuuuusssssse ME! Cynical? Because of my remark of a merit badge? That was levity intended for an individual with a sense of humor. Intended for a person who understands that time fly's when you're having fun. I can't speak for Royale but I believe that when you have 50 years of experience you don't take what I wrote personally. Even if irreverent its' irrelevant. You appear to be an individual struggling with being identified with having an interest in astrology. This is not AA(Astrologers Anonymous). As for suggesting that I have self-esteem issues and suggesting that members here have ego bubbles I think you're a riot. I especially loved your insight into Aireans. Dare I say, with levity and with a sense of the absurd that " We don't need people " sounds like something Hitler would have said. I would have appreciated reading your insight into the questions I posed in my thread. Astrology, both sidereal(how many?) and tropical are flawed. As the astrology's polarize, they fail to reveal their synchronicity. Tropicalists and Siderealists fail to synchronize their knowledge. They typically engage in righteousness and fail to learn from each other. The language of the stars is a composite of dialects and not one of those dialects the entire language. I've studied Sidereal for 35 years and consider myself to be one. I integrate what I learn from astronomy, history, tropicalist's, vedic's, intuitive's, psychology, music, art, politics and business and apply it to astrology. The constellations do not appear in the sky physically in 30 degree divisions yet are defined as such. Do the perimeters of the constellations define where the source of influence emanates? If Pluto currently appears in the constellation of Ophiuchus why argue that it is in Sagittarius or Scorpio? Fiducial points abound with ecliptic stars and nodes. We have come to appreciate tendencies for facts. A sun sign in itself does not " rule " the definition of a personality. " it is so obvious that Sidereal rules " If Sidereal rules is it static or a process in evolution? jivio Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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