Precession Debate 1

[Guest guest]

This is in reply to the question about Sidereal and Tropical signs of the

zodiac. I actually wrote a book dealing with this very same question when I

was moving from the Tropical to the Sidereal zodic many years ago. I came

to some interesting conclusions. The first two questions:

 

>1. As we know, the first sign of the Sidereal Zodiac (the one where it

>is actually the Spring Equinox) happens currently in Pisces. But

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>2. Tropical Astrology usually regards people with Sun in Tropical

>Aries or with Aries on the First House as " Leaders, ardent, ready to

>fight and to begin enterprises; full of energy " .

 

First, a couple of preliminary comments. Even though astrologers seem to

observe sign traits and can often guess someone's zodiacal sign correctly,

all the research to date shows that the important psychological traits are

linked to the PLANETS rather than the signs. But since signs tone the way a

planet behaves, we have to assume that the signs (or certain areas of signs

such as lunar mansions) do have some kind of influence.

 

So let's take the list for Tropical Aries: Leaders, ardent, ready to fight

and to begin enterprises, full of energy, impatient

 

These all sound like Mars, don't they? If these traits REALLY belong to

Tropical Aries, then the same traits have to be observed in the

corresponding sidereal sign underneath Tropical Aries (same part of the sky

in our current time frame), and that sign is Sidereal Pisces. Can we make a

case for the traits of Tropical Aries belonging to sidereal Pisces?

Actually, we can if we consider the mythology of the ruling planets.

 

(A note that I don't want to get into because this isn't a Vedic board is

that the sidereal water signs are " Pitta " in nature, that is, fiery.

Originally the signs were not divided into fire, earth, air and water, but

were simply " triplicities, " that is each triangle of signs had certain

similarities.)

 

So Jupiter and Neptune are the lords of sidereal Pisces. Check your

mythology for Neptune. Rob Hand says in Horoscope Symbols that Neptune may

be misnamed...because the planet " has little similarity to the boisterous

Roman sea-god. " The Greek Poseidon (Neptune is Roman) was known as the

" earthshaker " because of his habit of creating earthquakes and storms at

sea. Neptune was agressive, tempetous, irascible, unsettled, and loved

speed and adventure. In naval battles, he sent storms to destroy enemy fleets.

 

There are some traits of Tropical Aries that have not been noticed, mainly

because no one stops to think that the sign might really be sidereal

Pisces. One common trait is duplicity (the fishes swim in different

directions), two-sidedness, quick changing moods, which can be related both

to mutability and duality (two fishes). Sometime ago I did some research on

serial killers, who had hidden lives, and several of them had prominent

sidereal Pisces planets. (In contrast you will find real leaders with key

planets in Sidereal Aries (Tropical Taurus): Adolf Hitler, racer Dale

Earnhardt....I will look up a list and post it here later.)

 

In the sidereal zodiac it's the water signs that are very emotional and

idealistic, so you'll find these traits in Pisces. Water, not fire, is the

emotional element. Fire is mental because it can transform one form of

matter into another....wood to ashes, water to steam. Just as a strong

minded person (Olympic champions) can create their victory by sheer

concentation and will power.

 

There's a whole lot more to be said for Sidereal Pisces. What I've written

here is only the beginning of the track. One more very interesting

consideration is that the earth was supposed to be in the age of Pisces for

the last 2000 years. And what have those years brought? Wars and more wars,

agressive extending of boundaries, terrorism. Are these the traits of

Tropical Pisces?? Sounds more like Aries, doesn't it? Even the church

(Pisces) has used agression to extend its influence. Netpune was famous for

attempting to extend his influence through agressive action.

 

So the mythology of sign lords may be the best key to the real meaning of

zodiacal signs. Notice that the Tropical community is constantly suggesting

new rulers for their signs because the traditional rulers don't fit some of

the signs. But every sidereal ruler fits like a glove if you check the

mythology of the planets. (If anyone is interested, I have published the

beginning of a series of articles on the sidereal signs in ISAR's KOSMOS.)

 

Terrie Hamilton

[Guest guest]

Have you actually compared people with Tropical Sun in Aries to the description

of thier sign? Who will you bring to mind? Everyone I can think of such ar

Marlon Brando, Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence are not dynamic, energetic or

great leaders. Many will desagree with this because of the roles these people

play in movies but it is just that a role. If you examine the personal lives

all these people you will find few examples of them being like a true Aries. On

the other hand, Tropical Taurus has many people that have lead archtypical Aries

lives Jet Li, Adolf Hitler, Malcom X, The Professional wrestler known as The

Rock, and Al Pacino. Center in on the nature of the spirits that guide these

men. All of the give passionate and angry speeches (except Jet Li). All of the

were combative and in most cases have either been an army of one or lead an

army.

 

Damon

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello, everyone.

 

The important thing to remember about precession vs

nonprecession is this: The Sidereal zodiac gives

better results for techniques using transits than the

Tropical zodiac. It isn't so much about " new improved

sun signs " as it is about things like Solar, Lunar,

and planetary returns.

 

Consider:

 

You left home several years ago, and you'd like to

visit your hometown. However, unknown to you, someone

rearranges the street signs every other month, and no

one bothers to put them back or tries to find out who

does it. Naturally, when you return, you can't find

the house where you grew up.

 

It's the same way when calibrating the zodiac by using

a point that moves, relative to the fixed stars, as

your beginning point. In the long run, it causes

confusion.

 

Later,

Kevin

 

 

 

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