Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Bob... I read your post and appreciate it very much. Since I've been under the weather(cold/flu)I haven't felt like doing anything. Your post is very important as it demonstrates the inherent value of precession in charting. Last month I started a new community in for Sidereal Astrology. This is the first time that I'm mentioning it to this group because I've lacked the energy to write. Your post compels me to write even though I don't feel like it. This group has served its purpose to bring individuals together who share a common thread. Astrology which embraces precession within its calculation. I initiated a new group because this one lacks stimulating education, research, chat and focus on " Western " Sidereal Astrology. This group has become more of a vedic group. I don't have a problem with vedic. Some of my best friends are into vedic. I don't have a problem with Tropical either but like vedic its not what I want in a group whose focus is Sidereal Astrology. It has been pointed out to me that there are a number of " sidereal astrologies " . So be it. The new community will focus on Sidereal Astrology as re-discovered through the Fagan/Bradley principles. If any one wishes to join an additional community for Sidereal Astrology within please go to: Physics_of_/ A month ago I asked this group to contribute their understanding of the following: a) Lunar Return b) Progressed Lunar Return c) Synodic Lunar Return One person responded on Dec. 20th and only one. Among all the wonderful things expressed in girliepooxxx's post one thing stood out for me. She understood that my post was intended to facilitate exchange of ideas. Education is key to growth and development. If everyone brought their abilities as a student and as a teacher to a community imagine the tangible results which could be realized. To many the CapSolar is the beginning of the " new " year. The Ingress of the Sun into the Constellation of Capricorn occurred this evening... It is also one of the most important charts cast in Sidereal Astrology. Check it out... Notice that the CapSolar when cast for Washington DC has Pluto conjunct the IC in mundo as well as in a typical zodiacal chart. Pluto is also square the EP/WP. Transits to these points are critical. More on this later. For now I'm going to re-visit Bob's email and see what i can learn from it. jivio PS: girliepooxxx... The Synodic is considered a psychological chart whereas the lunar an event chart. Double check your calculations as the synodic lunar and the " regular " lunar should not consistently occur at the same time Hopefully Bob will share with us how he calculates progressed charts and why he prefers a particular technique. My experience has produced better results with the day for a year process but logically I can't believe that to be correct. Logically I figure that it should be a sidereal day for a sidereal year. Unfortunately logic isn't always apparent or correct. --- jan61108 <jan61108 wrote: > Hello all, > > Where is everyone? Has the club closed? No > participation for almost 3 > weeks! > > I am returning to the club after a short absence. I > have posted some > charts in the files section. They are tropical > representations > (tropical precessed) of charts for the WTC attack. I > had done them > for posting in other clubs to which I belong which > do not use > Sidereal charts. > > The Quotidian progressed Caplunar is the most > fantastic chart I have > seen anywhere for the attack. Saturn is on the MC by > RA and The > midpoint of MarsPluto in RA is opposite a point 90 > degrees in RA > from the Ascendant (Zenith?). > > I have not seen this chart anywhere else, nor read > of anyone doing > it. I am sure most Siderealists were very > disappointed to see the > Caplunar for that location when they drew it up. > That is probably why > I have not seen or read of it anywhere. To me, > progressed lunars are > the most telling charts available in astrology. I > have used them for > everything from a fall on the stairs to this attack. > > I also posted a link in the bookmarks to my homepage > where I promote > computer programs for progressing the Solar and > Lunar Returns by both > the Precision and Quotidian methods. I have also > written programs > that will determine what the apparant right > ascension should be if > you have a speculum and know the RAMC you are > looking for so you can > find the date the correct luminary will hold that > ARA. > > Why is there so little participation in this club? > Can anyone suggest > others I might explore? > > Bob > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Bob I looked at the charts you posted and went to your websites to learn more about your process for progressing the caplunar for aug 29th 2001. Unfortunately, I don't understand the formula you are utilizing for achieving such results. Before I would be interested in the software you are selling I would like to understand the basis of your progression process. Can you shine some light this way as the progressed chart you present is a very compelling and striking chart. jivio , " jan61108 " <jan61108> wrote: > Hello all, > > Where is everyone? Has the club closed? No participation for almost 3 > weeks! > > I am returning to the club after a short abscence. I have posted some > charts in the files section. They are tropical representations > (tropical precessed) of charts for the WTC attack. I had done them > for posting in other clubs to which I belong which do not use > Sidereal charts. > > The Quotidian progressed Caplunar is the most fantastic chart I have > seen anywhere for the attack. Saturn is on the MC by RA and The > midpoint of Mars\Pluto in RA is opposite a point 90 degrees in RA > from the Ascendant (Zenith?). > > I have not seen this chart anywhere else, nor read of anyone doing > it. I am sure most Siderealists were very disappointed to see the > Caplunar for that location when they drew it up. That is probably why > I have not seen or read of it anywhere. To me, progressed lunars are > the most telling charts available in astrology. I have used them for > everything from a fall on the stairs to this attack. > > I also posted a link in the bookmarks to my homepage where I promote > computer programs for progressing the Solar and Lunar Returns by both > the Precision and Quotidian methods. I have also written programs > that will determine what the apparant right ascension should be if > you have a speculum and know the RAMC you are looking for so you can > find the date the correct luminary will hold that ARA. > > Why is there so little participation in this club? Can anyone suggest > others I might explore? > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 , " jivio " <jivio> wrote: > Bob > > I looked at the charts you posted and went to your websites to learn > more about your process for progressing the caplunar for aug 29th > 2001. Unfortunately, I don't understand the formula you are utilizing > for achieving > such results. > Before I would be interested in the software you are selling I would > like to understand the basis of your progression process. > Can you shine some light this way as the progressed chart you present > is a very compelling and striking chart. > > jivio > > > Hi Jivio, I will have to keep this short as I am " under the gun " to get a payment to aol to stay connected to the internet. I have been through the worst 2 1/2 years of my life, with the last year being the absolute worst. I have lost everything and must start over at the age of 61. Unable to find a job I taught myself how to write computer programs and wrote the ones you read about on my site. The good part is that you can go through a solar or lunar return and find the prominent dates for the year or month in a very short time. The methods of progressing the lunars is the same as that used for the solar except I use the apparant right ascension of the moon. The results for the biggest story in the world for the past year are there for all to see. These are very powerful programs and very cheap in today's world. I am just trying to generate some income as I have not worked since last July. I have been using the computer programs for the last 2 years and believe that I have found all of the bugs they contained (dealing with February in leap and non-leap years, months with 30 or 31 days, changing from one year to another, etc.). I believe most people would be charging $75 to $100 dollars for these programs and if they generate enough sales look for the big guys (Solar Fire, Winstar, Janus, Kepler, etc.) to bury me with their advertising of their own similar programs, which will probably sell at the prices I have mentioned as the advertising they do is expensive. But if their greed causes them to come out with programs to do these jobs then the astrological world will be much better off as the tools will be readily available to all astrologers. What I am charging for the programs is not much compensation for my learning, (self taught astrologer and programmer) my years of research (more than 25), and debugging and rewriting of the programs (2 years). I am glad to hear about your site and will be there to join as soon as possible. I have posted over 80 charts in the other clubs I belong to along with instructions on how to do speculums, progress natals, (by hand), and progress solar and lunar returns (also by hand). Until later, Bob I have used these programs for more than 20 years. The hardest thing was to lay aside Fagan and Bradley's teachings about how to read Lunar returns. But I had no doubts after seeing the Caplunar and its progression for the attack. To use their methods to read the chart would have made any astrologer look like a fool as Jupiter was the planet nearest any angle of the chart. For years I had doubted my own results as they were my 'heros', but I can no longer ignore the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Bob Your post is very interesting. I got a few comments to make later in this post but I think the idea of utilizing the moon's RA is a compelling one. I haven't done lunars in this manner and it will be interesting to see the results of this technique. , " jan61108 " <jan61108> wrote: > , " jivio " <jivio> wrote: > > Bob > > > > I looked at the charts you posted and went to your websites to > learn > > more about your process for progressing the caplunar for aug 29th > > 2001. Unfortunately, I don't understand the formula you are > utilizing > > for achieving > > such results. > > Before I would be interested in the software you are selling I > would > > like to understand the basis of your progression process. > > Can you shine some light this way as the progressed chart you > present > > is a very compelling and striking chart. > > > > jivio > > > > > > > Hi Jivio, > > I will have to keep this short as I am " under the gun " to get a > payment to aol to stay connected to the internet. > > I have been through the worst 2 1/2 years of my life, with the last > year being the absolute worst. I have lost everything and must start > over at the age of 61. Unable to find a job I taught myself how to > write computer programs and wrote the ones you read about on my site. Have you got other software programs that you are developing? > The good part is that you can go through a solar or lunar return and > find the prominent dates for the year or month in a very short time. > > The methods of progressing the lunars is the same as that used for > the solar except I use the apparant right ascension of the moon. The > results for the biggest story in the world for the past year are > there for all to see. > > These are very powerful programs and very cheap in today's world. I > am just trying to generate some income as I have not worked since > last July. I have been using the computer programs for the last 2 > years and believe that I have found all of the bugs they contained > (dealing with February in leap and non-leap years, months with 30 or > 31 days, changing from one year to another, etc.). I believe most > people would be charging $75 to $100 dollars for these programs and > if they generate enough sales look for the big guys (Solar Fire, > Winstar, Janus, Kepler, etc.) to bury me with their advertising of > their own similar programs, which will probably sell at the prices I > have mentioned as the advertising they do is expensive. But if their > greed causes them to come out with programs to do these jobs then the > astrological world will be much better off as the tools will be > readily available to all astrologers. What I am charging for the > programs is not much compensation for my learning, (self taught > astrologer and programmer) my years of research (more than 25), and > debugging and rewriting of the programs (2 years). > I can appreciate the work that you've done in developing your software. The cost is reasonable. Have you tested your software on Microsoft ME? > I am glad to hear about your site and will be there to join as soon > as possible. I have posted over 80 charts in the other clubs I belong > to along with instructions on how to do speculums, progress natals, > (by hand), and progress solar and lunar returns (also by hand). > Great... looking forward to having you in the group and learning more about your views on Sidereal Astrology. > Until later, > > Bob > > I have used these programs for more than 20 years. The hardest thing > was to lay aside Fagan and Bradley's teachings about how to read > Lunar returns. But I had no doubts after seeing the Caplunar and its > progression for the attack. To use their methods to read the chart > would have made any astrologer look like a fool as Jupiter was the > planet nearest any angle of the chart. For years I had doubted my own > results as they were my 'heros', but I can no longer ignore the truth. Fagan, Bradley and others re-discovered Sidereal Astrology. They would be the first to say that after their efforts to develop Sidereal Astrology that much more would need to be done. In the " Primer of Sidereal Astrology " Fagan writes about The Natal Quotidian Lunar Kinetic(NQK). He gives a formula to follow and discusses the technique in very general terms. He then goes on to write about progressing from the NQK to an event which takes place 15 days later. He writes the following. " It is probable that these maps (charts) progress but we have not yet found the correct rate for the progression of the angles " . I've got more to say but the hour is late and I need my sleep. jivio PS: Jupiter being on the IC of the Caplunar dosen't surprise me. I've seen Jupiter show up prominently in negative charts. Religion(which is associated with Jupiter) isn't always morally correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 , " jivio " <jivio> wrote: > Bob > > Your post is very interesting. I got a few comments to make later in > this post but I think the idea of utilizing the moon's RA is a > compelling one. I haven't done lunars in this manner and it will be > interesting to see the results of this technique. > > > > > Have you got other software programs that you are developing? > > Not at this time. > > I can appreciate the work that you've done in developing your > software. The cost is reasonable. Have you tested your software on > Microsoft ME? > > No I haven't, but I do not forsee any problems. > > Fagan, Bradley and others re-discovered Sidereal Astrology. They > would be the first to say that after their efforts to develop > Sidereal Astrology that much more would need to be done. In > the " Primer of Sidereal Astrology " Fagan writes about The Natal > Quotidian Lunar Kinetic(NQK). He gives a formula to follow and > discusses the technique in very general terms. He then goes on to > write about progressing from the NQK to an event which takes place 15 > days later. He writes the following. " It is probable that these maps > (charts) progress but we have not yet found the correct rate for the > progression of the angles " . > The scant attention given to the technique in his vast body of work is surely indicative that it was not held in high regard. If it were most Siderealists would be doing these kinds of charts and the plain truth is that they are not. To my knowledge I am the only astrologer giving them pride of place as an interpretive tool. While my study of astrology does not match Mr. Fagan's in length it does span almost 30 years. > > jivio > > PS: Jupiter being on the IC of the Caplunar dosen't surprise me. I've > seen Jupiter show up prominently in negative charts. Religion(which > is associated with Jupiter) isn't always morally correct. Repeatedly in his work he stated the expectancies of the foreground Jupiter and in no way did they ever include anything like the events of September 11, 2001 in New York. His instructions on the reading of solunars is there for all to read on page 51 of " The Solunars Handbook " under the heading CLEARING THE COBWEBS, to wit, " ...the middles of the 2nd, 8th, and 11th houses, (the succeedent houses as ordinarily understoood), which are midway between the angles, as measured on the prime vertical, are the argos topos (loci piger in Latin) or " inactive places " of the classical astrologers. When a planet is situated in or near these places, it becomes a " dumb note " exercising NO influence, good, bad, or indifferent, except in the negative sense of being weak. " , and also on page 54, the first full paragraph, wherein he states " ...he should ascertain the planets (if any) that are close to an angle and those that are remote from the angles, making judgement accordingly. " Apply those instructions to the reading of the Caplunar preceeding the attack in New York City on September 11, 2001! They his words, repeated throughout his works in similar fashion. All I am asking for is recognition of and admitance of truth, two things which should never have to be asked for. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hello Bob, What is your homepage? I would like to look at it. Thank You, Sylvia ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 , sylvia linzner <sylvia261@j...> wrote: > Hello Bob, > What is your homepage? I would like to look at it. > Thank You, > Sylvia > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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