Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 Hello: Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. Thanks, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2001 Report Share Posted October 30, 2001 Hi Kevin, Welcome to sidereal. Im new also as this list is new. Hopeing we can all learn alot and give alot. We need a topic. How about Usama Bin Laden? or whatever. Royale Christopher Kevill wrote: > > Hello: > > Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a > largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many > others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as > it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than > psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Dear Christopher Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got in touch with the Sidereal Network. I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has several branches and is considered as a high threshold to choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- email! Regards Anny -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM Aan: Onderwerp: New to the list Hello: Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. Thanks, Chris " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Hi Royale, Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. ignorantly, Christopher At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic >Astrology! >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal >constellation system like they do, but not to the same >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale > >Anny van Berckel wrote: >> >> Dear Christopher >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- >> email! Regards Anny >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM >> Aan: >> Onderwerp: New to the list >> >> Hello: >> >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- >> >> Post message: >> Subscribe: - >> Un: - >> List owner: -owner >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> / >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic Astrology! The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal constellation system like they do, but not to the same degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale Anny van Berckel wrote: > > Dear Christopher > > Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and > perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite > a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, > who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got > in touch with the Sidereal Network. > I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. > and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. > James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the > first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that > he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about > the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not > specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. > I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are > easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, > because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic > astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has > several branches and is considered as a high threshold to > choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much > longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. > Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- > email! Regards Anny > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] > Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM > Aan: > Onderwerp: New to the list > > Hello: > > Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a > largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many > others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as > it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than > psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Christopher First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware of them: Contreras Home Page http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ Mission Astrology Group (MAG) http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html Western Sidereal Network (WSN) http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " to experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions held by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You will find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of the planets and the reverence of cycles. What are the difference between and what is the definition of: A) Lunar Return B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) C) Progressed Lunar Return I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday season. Jivio Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM ; Re: New to the list Hi Royale, Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. ignorantly, Christopher At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic >Astrology! >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal >constellation system like they do, but not to the same >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale > >Anny van Berckel wrote: >> >> Dear Christopher >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- >> email! Regards Anny >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM >> Aan: >> Onderwerp: New to the list >> >> Hello: >> >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- >> >> Post message: >> Subscribe: - >> Un: - >> List owner: -owner >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> / >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 Yes, there are so many differences . Some I use and others I do not. Some of both systems are so mathematically difficult that I dont even have a clue. I just use the easy ones: Fagans sidereal zodiac, the true meaning of the planets, the true meaning of the constellations, the stars and their meanings. The strength of the angles and positions are very important also. Put them all together, youve got good astrology. Not really knowlegdable about Vedic astrology. Too difficult for me. Too many variables. Suggest you read Fagan, and attend Sidereal astrology meetings. Cheers, Royale John Sarlya wrote: > > Christopher > > First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware of them: > > Contreras Home Page > http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ > > Mission Astrology Group (MAG) > http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html > > Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) > http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html > > Western Sidereal Network (WSN) > http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html > > Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " to experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions held by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You will find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of the planets and the reverence of cycles. > > What are the difference between and what is the definition of: > > A) Lunar Return > > B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) > > C) Progressed Lunar Return > > I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday season. > > Jivio > > Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] > Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM > ; > Re: New to the list > > Hi Royale, > > Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do > that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of > degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart > interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's > soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. > > ignorantly, > Christopher > > At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: > >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic > >Astrology! > >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal > >constellation system like they do, but not to the same > >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale > > > >Anny van Berckel wrote: > >> > >> Dear Christopher > >> > >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and > >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite > >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, > >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got > >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. > >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. > >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. > >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the > >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that > >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about > >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not > >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. > >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are > >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, > >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic > >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has > >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to > >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much > >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. > >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- > >> email! Regards Anny > >> > >> > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] > >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM > >> Aan: > >> Onderwerp: New to the list > >> > >> Hello: > >> > >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a > >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many > >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as > >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than > >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > >> > >> Post message: > >> Subscribe: - > >> Un: - > >> List owner: -owner > >> > >> Shortcut URL to this page: > >> / > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 Thanks to Royale and John for those helpful suggestions. I will look into those sites more carefully. Is there one book by Fagan or anybody else that would be the best place to start? Chris PS Just as a non-prosthelytizing aside, I wouldn't be put off vedic because it has a lot of variables. Personally, I don't think it has a lot of variables. You can use it in its streamlined form without knowing a whole bunch of obscure yogas(ie planetary placement combinations) and still get useful insights. At 01:50 AM 12/19/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >Yes, there are so many differences . Some I use and others I >do not. Some of both systems are so mathematically difficult >that I dont even have a clue. I just use the easy ones: >Fagans sidereal zodiac, the true meaning of the planets, the >true meaning of the constellations, the stars and their >meanings. The strength of the angles and positions are very >important also. Put them all together, youve got good >astrology. >Not really knowlegdable about Vedic astrology. Too difficult >for me. Too many variables. Suggest you read Fagan, and >attend Sidereal astrology meetings. Cheers, Royale > >John Sarlya wrote: >> >> Christopher >> >> First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware of them: >> >> Contreras Home Page >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ >> >> Mission Astrology Group (MAG) >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html >> >> Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html >> >> Western Sidereal Network (WSN) >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html >> >> Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " to experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions held by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You will find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of the planets and the reverence of cycles. >> >> What are the difference between and what is the definition of: >> >> A) Lunar Return >> >> B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) >> >> C) Progressed Lunar Return >> >> I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday season. >> >> Jivio >> >> Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] >> Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM >> ; >> Re: New to the list >> >> Hi Royale, >> >> Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do >> that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of >> degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart >> interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's >> soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. >> >> ignorantly, >> Christopher >> >> At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >> >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic >> >Astrology! >> >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal >> >constellation system like they do, but not to the same >> >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale >> > >> >Anny van Berckel wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Christopher >> >> >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and >> >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite >> >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, >> >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got >> >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. >> >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. >> >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. >> >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the >> >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that >> >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about >> >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not >> >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. >> >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are >> >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, >> >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic >> >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has >> >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to >> >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much >> >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. >> >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- >> >> email! Regards Anny >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] >> >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM >> >> Aan: >> >> Onderwerp: New to the list >> >> >> >> Hello: >> >> >> >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a >> >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many >> >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to jyotish as >> >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than >> >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan and co. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- >> >> >> >> Post message: >> >> Subscribe: - >> >> Un: - >> >> List owner: -owner >> >> >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> >> / >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 > Yes, the thing I found interesting about Vedic was the > doshas. (sp.) I had my chart done once a few years ago and > think I would have had some high correlations if I had of > had my correct time of birth.I have recently adjusted it to > a good guess. > Can you recommend a good book on Vedic? Ive read Brahas > (sp). and an Indian one that I completely didnt understand. > His name was Parasara. > Yes, Fagans good book was The Solunars Handbook. That was > how I first learned it. > Good luck. Royale. > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > > > > Thanks to Royale and John for those helpful suggestions. I will look > > into those sites more carefully. Is there one book by Fagan or anybody > > else that would be the best place to start? > > > > Chris > > > > PS Just as a non-prosthelytizing aside, I wouldn't be put off vedic > > because it has a lot of variables. Personally, I don't think it has a > > lot of variables. You can use it in its streamlined form without knowing > > a whole bunch of obscure yogas(ie planetary placement combinations) and > > still get useful insights. > > > > At 01:50 AM 12/19/01 -0800, rjills wrote: > > >Yes, there are so many differences . Some I use and others I > > >do not. Some of both systems are so mathematically difficult > > >that I dont even have a clue. I just use the easy ones: > > >Fagans sidereal zodiac, the true meaning of the planets, the > > >true meaning of the constellations, the stars and their > > >meanings. The strength of the angles and positions are very > > >important also. Put them all together, youve got good > > >astrology. > > >Not really knowlegdable about Vedic astrology. Too difficult > > >for me. Too many variables. Suggest you read Fagan, and > > >attend Sidereal astrology meetings. Cheers, Royale > > > > > >John Sarlya wrote: > > >> > > >> Christopher > > >> > > >> First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware > > >> of > > them: > > >> > > >> Contreras Home Page > > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ > > >> > > >> Mission Astrology Group (MAG) > > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html > > >> > > >> Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) > > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html > > >> > > >> Western Sidereal Network (WSN) > > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html > > >> > > >> Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it > > wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " > > to experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's > > prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions > > held by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You > > will find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A > > mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of > > the planets and the reverence of cycles. > > >> > > >> What are the difference between and what is the definition of: > > >> > > >> A) Lunar Return > > >> > > >> B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) > > >> > > >> C) Progressed Lunar Return > > >> > > >> I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) > > for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday > > season. > > >> > > >> Jivio > > >> > > >> Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] > > >> Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM > > >> ; > > > > >> Re: New to the list > > >> > > >> Hi Royale, > > >> > > >> Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et > > >> al do that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a > > >> couple of degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific > > >> techniques in chart interpretation that I should know about? I've > > >> heard about Firebrace's soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. > > >> > > >> ignorantly, > > >> Christopher > > >> > > >> At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: > > >> >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic > > >> >Astrology! > > >> >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal > > >> >constellation system like they do, but not to the same > > >> >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale > > >> > > > >> >Anny van Berckel wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> Dear Christopher > > >> >> > > >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and > > >> >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite > > >> >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, > > >> >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got > > >> >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. > > >> >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. > > >> >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. > > >> >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the > > >> >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that > > >> >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about > > >> >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not > > >> >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. > > >> >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are > > >> >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, > > >> >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic > > >> >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has > > >> >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to choose > > >> >> for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much longer > > >> >> study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. > > >> >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- > > >> >> email! Regards Anny > > >> >> > > >> >> There are several Daasa. The most common is the Vimsatori Daasa. I would feel better about this sort of thing if it were tied somehow to the sky. If may have at some earlier time and the connection got lost. all that remains is the system form. Garth Allen had an interesting idea. He suggested that the Daasa be seen as space rather then time. That is deciding the zodiacal circle in to segments based on the Daasas and Bhukis. He suggested that the Progressed moon through these sections might be significant. He did not follow up on this idea, and I have not seen anything else on it. Allen suggested that the system should start with Taurus. This I think is unwarranted. it should start, if at all, with Aries, as does the system in Vedic astrology. Bert Fannin Editor of Constellations Online Sidereal Magazine http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 20/12/2001 12:39:01 GMT Standard Time, bwfannin writes: > There are several Daasa. The most common is the Vimsatori Daasa. > I would feel better about this sort of thing if it were tied somehow to the > sky. If may have at some earlier time and the connection got lost. all that > remains is the system form. > From a novice . In the book I go by ( author Shil-Ponde ) Vimshotari dasha is twinned with Ashtotari dasha , whose tables are applied to the native according to whether they were born during the waxing or waning period of the Moon . And the point within these from which their events start being predicted is determined by the position in the lunar asterisms of the Moon at birth . IIRC the tables full duration is itself derived from the properties of a planet ( being 120 and 108 years respectively ) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Yes, the thing I found interesting about Vedic was the doshas. (sp.) I had my chart done once a few years ago and think I would have had some high correlations if I had of had my correct time of birth.I have recently adjusted it to a good guess. Can you recommend a good book on Vedic? Ive read Brahas (sp). and an Indian one that I completely didnt understand. His name was Parasara. Yes, Fagans good book was The Solunars Handbook. That was how I first learned it. Good luck. Royale. Christopher Kevill wrote: > > Thanks to Royale and John for those helpful suggestions. I will look into > those sites more carefully. > Is there one book by Fagan or anybody else that would be the best place to > start? > > Chris > > PS Just as a non-prosthelytizing aside, I wouldn't be put off vedic > because it has a lot of variables. Personally, I don't think it has a lot > of variables. You can use it in its streamlined form without knowing a > whole bunch of obscure yogas(ie planetary placement combinations) and still > get useful insights. > > At 01:50 AM 12/19/01 -0800, rjills wrote: > >Yes, there are so many differences . Some I use and others I > >do not. Some of both systems are so mathematically difficult > >that I dont even have a clue. I just use the easy ones: > >Fagans sidereal zodiac, the true meaning of the planets, the > >true meaning of the constellations, the stars and their > >meanings. The strength of the angles and positions are very > >important also. Put them all together, youve got good > >astrology. > >Not really knowlegdable about Vedic astrology. Too difficult > >for me. Too many variables. Suggest you read Fagan, and > >attend Sidereal astrology meetings. Cheers, Royale > > > >John Sarlya wrote: > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware of > them: > >> > >> Contreras Home Page > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ > >> > >> Mission Astrology Group (MAG) > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html > >> > >> Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html > >> > >> Western Sidereal Network (WSN) > >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html > >> > >> Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it > wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " to > experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's > prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions held > by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You will > find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A > mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of > the planets and the reverence of cycles. > >> > >> What are the difference between and what is the definition of: > >> > >> A) Lunar Return > >> > >> B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) > >> > >> C) Progressed Lunar Return > >> > >> I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) > for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday season. > >> > >> Jivio > >> > >> Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] > >> Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM > >> ; > > >> Re: New to the list > >> > >> Hi Royale, > >> > >> Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do > >> that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of > >> degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart > >> interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's > >> soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. > >> > >> ignorantly, > >> Christopher > >> > >> At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: > >> >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic > >> >Astrology! > >> >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal > >> >constellation system like they do, but not to the same > >> >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale > >> > > >> >Anny van Berckel wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Dear Christopher > >> >> > >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and > >> >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite > >> >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, > >> >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got > >> >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. > >> >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. > >> >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. > >> >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the > >> >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that > >> >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about > >> >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not > >> >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. > >> >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are > >> >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, > >> >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic > >> >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has > >> >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to > >> >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much > >> >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. > >> >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- > >> >> email! Regards Anny > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] > >> >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM > >> >> Aan: > >> >> Onderwerp: New to the list > >> >> > >> >> Hello: > >> >> > >> >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a > >> >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many > >> >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to > jyotish as > >> >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than > >> >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan > and co. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Chris > >> >> > >> >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Royale, At 09:29 AM 12/20/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >Yes, the thing I found interesting about Vedic was the >doshas. (sp.) Right, dashas are really cool for sure. It helps you focus on what transits and progressions one should pay extra attention to. I had my chart done once a few years ago and >think I would have had some high correlations if I had of >had my correct time of birth.I have recently adjusted it to >a good guess. Feel free to share your rectified birth time and a couple of events. I wouldn't mind taking a crack at it. >Can you recommend a good book on Vedic? Ive read Brahas >(sp). and an Indian one that I completely didnt understand. >His name was Parasara. Yes, Parashara is not very user friendly. It's sort of the Bible of vedic astrology and it's no more than a A-Z listing of all sorts of rules and techniques. But it doesn't really tell you how to read a chart. Braha's first book is OK but his most recent book that came out in spring is very good indeed. A bit big to carry around and quite expensive as well. I can't remember what it's called at the moment and I'm travelling at the moment so it's not handy. But it's not so much an intro book although if you know astrology, you should be fine with it. My favourite intro book is David Frawley's Astrology of the Seers. It's written with the westerner in mind and covers most of the key topics well. Hart de Fouw and Robert Svoboda's book Light on Life is also very good. A bit drier in its presentation but an outstanding resource. I think it might seem intimidating to some. >Yes, Fagans good book was The Solunars Handbook. That was >how I first learned it. Thanks for that. Chris > Good luck. Royale. > >Christopher Kevill wrote: >> >> Thanks to Royale and John for those helpful suggestions. I will look into >> those sites more carefully. >> Is there one book by Fagan or anybody else that would be the best place to >> start? >> >> Chris >> >> PS Just as a non-prosthelytizing aside, I wouldn't be put off vedic >> because it has a lot of variables. Personally, I don't think it has a lot >> of variables. You can use it in its streamlined form without knowing a >> whole bunch of obscure yogas(ie planetary placement combinations) and still >> get useful insights. >> >> At 01:50 AM 12/19/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >> >Yes, there are so many differences . Some I use and others I >> >do not. Some of both systems are so mathematically difficult >> >that I dont even have a clue. I just use the easy ones: >> >Fagans sidereal zodiac, the true meaning of the planets, the >> >true meaning of the constellations, the stars and their >> >meanings. The strength of the angles and positions are very >> >important also. Put them all together, youve got good >> >astrology. >> >Not really knowlegdable about Vedic astrology. Too difficult >> >for me. Too many variables. Suggest you read Fagan, and >> >attend Sidereal astrology meetings. Cheers, Royale >> > >> >John Sarlya wrote: >> >> >> >> Christopher >> >> >> >> First let me suggest the following sites to you if you are not aware of >> them: >> >> >> >> Contreras Home Page >> >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/ >> >> >> >> Mission Astrology Group (MAG) >> >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/mag.html >> >> >> >> Sports Astrologers Network (SAN) >> >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/san/san.html >> >> >> >> Western Sidereal Network (WSN) >> >> http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/wsn/wsn.html >> >> >> >> Jack as you will find out is an exceptional resource. In fact, if it >> wasn't for him very little would be available for the sidereal " newbie " to >> experience on the web. I suggest that you read through Kay Cavender's >> prolific writings. Some of her opinions are contrary to the positions held >> by notable sidereal astrologers but her concepts are provoking. You will >> find that the sidereal astrologer is an independent thinker. A >> mathematician focused on the angles and parans not houses. The nature of >> the planets and the reverence of cycles. >> >> >> >> What are the difference between and what is the definition of: >> >> >> >> A) Lunar Return >> >> >> >> B) Synodic Lunar Return(Phase Return) >> >> >> >> C) Progressed Lunar Return >> >> >> >> I invite everyone to share their thoughts(written under each heading) >> for the pronounced purpose of giving to the community this holiday season. >> >> >> >> Jivio >> >> >> >> Christopher Kevill [sMTP:ckevill] >> >> Monday, December 17, 2001 9:21 PM >> >> ; >> >> >> Re: New to the list >> >> >> >> Hi Royale, >> >> >> >> Different indeed. But I've always been unclear what exactly Fagan et al do >> >> that's different from most vedic practitioners, aside from a couple of >> >> degrees difference in the zodiac. Are there specific techniques in chart >> >> interpretation that I should know about? I've heard about Firebrace's >> >> soli-lunar returns, but that's about it. >> >> >> >> ignorantly, >> >> Christopher >> >> >> >> At 02:40 AM 12/18/01 -0800, rjills wrote: >> >> >Please folks--Fagans sidereal astrology is not Vedic >> >> >Astrology! >> >> >The only similarity that I see is that we use a sidereal >> >> >constellation system like they do, but not to the same >> >> >degree. (get it). ;^). Thanks. Royale >> >> > >> >> >Anny van Berckel wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Christopher >> >> >> >> >> >> Fine to read that you know about Cyril Fagan and >> >> >> perhaps Brigadier Firebrace? Not so long ago I sold quiite >> >> >> a few of their issues " Spica " to an collegua in California, >> >> >> who accidently visited Holland a few years ago, while I got >> >> >> in touch with the Sidereal Network. >> >> >> I possess several books written by Cyril Fagan. >> >> >> and one by Donald Bradley. I learned much from these books. >> >> >> James Eshelman's book " Interpreting Solar Returns, was the >> >> >> first, which I bought by " accident " ; discovered at home that >> >> >> he was working with the sidereal zodiac,I did not know about >> >> >> the sidereal zodiac. As far as I know is James Eshelman not >> >> >> specially acquainted, with the vedic astrology. >> >> >> I discovered, that here in Holland not many astrologers are >> >> >> easily convinced to convert themselves to the sidereal zodiac, >> >> >> because they do not see the necessity to turn to the vedic >> >> >> astrology. I regret it very much, as the vedic astrology has >> >> >> several branches and is considered as a high threshold to >> >> >> choose for the sidereal zodiac. Vedic astrology asks a much >> >> >> longer study/preparation time to be a complete Vedic astrologer. >> >> >> Have a good time with this list and perhaps au re- >> >> >> email! Regards Anny >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >> >> Van: Christopher Kevill [ckevill] >> >> >> Verzonden: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:38 PM >> >> >> Aan: >> >> >> Onderwerp: New to the list >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello: >> >> >> >> >> >> Just thought I'd say hi, as I'm new to this list. I'm coming from a >> >> >> largely vedic background, but it is anything but orthodox. Like many >> >> >> others, I started with western astrology and then went over to >> jyotish as >> >> >> it seemed to fit more with my interest in life outcomes rather than >> >> >> psychology. Anyway, I'm hoping to learn some of the best of Fagan >> and co. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> Post message: >> >> >> Subscribe: - >> >> >> Un: - >> >> >> List owner: -owner >> >> >> >> >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> >> >> / >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Bert, > > There are several Daasa. The most common is the Vimsatori Daasa. >I would feel better about this sort of thing if it were tied somehow to the >sky. If may have at some earlier time and the connection got lost. all that >remains is the system form. I'm certainly no expert on these things, but the vimshottari dasha system is tied to the nakshatras or lunar mansions, or which there are 27. As I understand it, these are tied to fixed stars although I haven't looked into the specifics of it. Anyway, the birth Moon starts the cycle of dashas. So for example if your natal Moon is 10 Aries then that would place in in the nakshatra of Ashwini, which is ruled by Ketu (or South Node). This means that your life would begin with Ketu dasha and proceed from there: Ketu, Venus, Sun, Moon, etc. >Bert Fannin >Editor of Constellations >Online Sidereal Magazine >http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm I tried accessing this site but I couldn't. I had the same problem with some of the other sidereal sites John gave in an earlier post. Any ideas why this is happening? regards, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 I went to the main site (www.ltastrology.com) and worked from there. John maybe doesn't realize that URLs are case sensitive. He should've typed: http://www.ltastrology.com/Constell.htm Anna At 12:53 PM 12/20/2001 -0500, Christopher Kevill uttered something such as: <>*<>*<> BEGIN ORIGINAL MESSAGE <>*<>*<> > >>Bert Fannin >>Editor of Constellations >>Online Sidereal Magazine >>http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm > >I tried accessing this site but I couldn't. I had the same problem with >some of the other sidereal sites John gave in an earlier post. Any ideas >why this is happening? > > ++++++++ END ORIGINAL MESSAGE ++++++++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Anna FYI: John knows that URL's are case sensitive. I didn't send Christopher " Bert's " URL only Jack's. The URL's that I sent Christopher were copied/pasted utilizing Microsoft's Internet Explorer. In checking the URL's I sent Christopher they work fine. Jivio PS: Actually, it appears Bert screwed up typing his URL incorrectly on his signature.. Get it together Bertie... --- * Anna * <gizmo wrote: > I went to the main site (www.ltastrology.com) and > worked from there. John > maybe doesn't realize that URLs are case sensitive. > He should've > typed: http://www.ltastrology.com/Constell.htm > > Anna > > > At 12:53 PM 12/20/2001 -0500, Christopher Kevill > uttered something such as: > <>*<>*<> BEGIN ORIGINAL MESSAGE <>*<>*<> > > > >>Bert Fannin > >>Editor of Constellations > >>Online Sidereal Magazine > >>http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm > > > >I tried accessing this site but I couldn't. I had > the same problem with > >some of the other sidereal sites John gave in an > earlier post. Any ideas > >why this is happening? > > > > > ++++++++ END ORIGINAL MESSAGE ++++++++ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 On 20 Dec 2001, at 12:30, Juan Oliver wrote: > Anna > > FYI: John knows that URL's are case sensitive. > I didn't send Christopher " Bert's " URL only Jack's. > The URL's that I sent Christopher were copied/pasted > utilizing Microsoft's > Internet Explorer. In checking the URL's I sent > Christopher they work fine. > > Jivio > > > PS: Actually, it appears Bert screwed up typing his > URL incorrectly on his signature.. Get it together > Bertie... > > --- * Anna * <gizmo wrote: > > I went to the main site (www.ltastrology.com) and > > worked from there. John > > maybe doesn't realize that URLs are case sensitive. > > He should've > > typed: http://www.ltastrology.com/Constell.htm > > > > Anna > > > > > > At 12:53 PM 12/20/2001 -0500, Christopher Kevill > > uttered something such as: > > <>*<>*<> BEGIN ORIGINAL MESSAGE <>*<>*<> > > > > > >>Bert Fannin > > >>Editor of Constellations > > >>Online Sidereal Magazine > > >>http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm > > > > > >I tried accessing this site but I couldn't. I had > > the same problem with > > >some of the other sidereal sites John gave in an > > earlier post. Any ideas > > >why this is happening? > > > > > > > > ++++++++ END ORIGINAL MESSAGE ++++++++ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Anna, Thanks for the tip. The address worked fine. Chris At 01:30 PM 12/20/01 -0500, * Anna * wrote: >I went to the main site (www.ltastrology.com) and worked from there. John >maybe doesn't realize that URLs are case sensitive. He should've >typed: http://www.ltastrology.com/Constell.htm > >Anna > > >At 12:53 PM 12/20/2001 -0500, Christopher Kevill uttered something such as: ><>*<>*<> BEGIN ORIGINAL MESSAGE <>*<>*<> > > > >>Bert Fannin > >>Editor of Constellations > >>Online Sidereal Magazine > >>http://www.ltastrology.com/constell.htm > > > >I tried accessing this site but I couldn't. I had the same problem with > >some of the other sidereal sites John gave in an earlier post. Any ideas > >why this is happening? > > > > >++++++++ END ORIGINAL MESSAGE ++++++++ > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: >/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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