Guest guest Posted September 25, 2001 Report Share Posted September 25, 2001 Greetings List Members, Sidereal Astrologers, Tropical Astrologers, A Western Sidereal Network (WSN) Forward: Hoping some of the WSN and MAG members will join the Sidereal Astrology list Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / ------ Here are a few emails from WSN . Thanks to Kay Cavender, Anny van Berckel and Mike Viele. Kay Cavender <kcavender Jack Contreras <sidereal; Saturday, September 22, 2001 4:24 PM Pres. Bush's Synodic Lunar Return >Pres. Bush natal: July 06, 1946, 7:26 am dest, New haven, CONN 72w56 41n18 > >Synodic Lunar Return preceding the Sep 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack on NY & >D.C.: for D.C., Aug 25 @ 8:49 pm est. Note that's " est " not dest. > >Here is a clear case where the dest birthdate time is supported (in >distinction to the est). MC 18SAG42, ASC 29PIS15. TR JUP 14GEM >(approaching IC) and the TR Moon aspects that JUP making that the most >outstanding aspect, although the other synodic lunar aspects are important. >Additionally, and this was the key symbolism for me, Bush's natal Sun >19GEM47 is " on " the IC. There is no denying that he took a leadership >role. > >I have not had time or attention to study the aspects in detail, but many >will remember that Bush's natal SATurn was angular in his Presidential Oath >chart (the presidential CONTRACT with America), a chart with major Mars >themes. At the time of Bush's speech, Thursday Sep 20, about 9:06 pm dest, >to the Congress, his natal Saturn was angular on the IC. It was an amazing >speech. It was also a personal promise that " I will never forget the wound >to our country and those who inflicted it. I will not yield, I will not >rest, I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for >the american people.... " Saturn concerns of those of commitment, being >unyeildingly stubborn, unrelenting, and continuing to struggle. It was >described as showing clarity, strength and resolution. Additionally, the >synodic (TR) Venus was also on the IC conjunct his natal SATurn. This may >well be the very best of George Bush, and I am thankful that it is so. >Recall that the two planets aspecting his natal Sun (thus defining his basic >character) are PLU and SAT. He certainly came through as a tough Texan, >even though he went through some Hollywood posturing before, although I >should forgive him that as this is a major tragedy and crisis. I do hope >that he will remain resolutely vigilant and in a defensive mode, and not >immerse the world in a blood bath, an almost impossible task. > >There are many noteworthy aspects in that speech: the TR 22LIB45 Moon was >DSC - he had the emotional attention of everyone. TR MER was 29VIR39 near >conjunct the USA (1775 Declaration of War) Moon, and conjunct his Synodic >DSC, indicating an ability to communicate well. Th TR Sun aspected Bush's >natal SATurn which was angular in the Synodic IC. > >So when might Bush be expressing MARS in terms of the Synodic? Synodic >Mars is 28SCO. Synodic MC is 18SAG42. TRansiting Mars comes opposite >Bush's natal Sun 19GEM and conjunct the Synodic MC 18SAG42 about the 4th >October. It will certainly be in orb just before that. That expression >of Mars could be in terms of personal attitude and/or action. Generally I >find it must be supported by other aspects, like especially a connection to >the TR Moon, or the Sun or other TRansiting planets, so the timing is not >necessarily at the point when Mars crosses the MC. > >PS, I am especially interesting in looking at defining events within a >synodic return, because aspects at the time of the even often repeat themes >in the synodic. > >Sidereally yours, Kay Kay Cavender <kcavender Jack Contreras <sidereal; Sunday, September 23, 2001 12:53 PM Locality Map for 1st Plane/Bomb on WTC - NY @ 8:45 or 8:48 am dest >I noted previously that often transits and/or radix charts define a two-way >channel, the way we are affected and the way we affect others. Continuing >on that thought, the locality chart for the time of first plane/bomb is most >interesting in regard to Afghanistan. Many terrorists, I understand, come >in through India and Northern Pakistan. The opposition of Pluto & Saturn >is seen to run longitudinally through the northern half of Pakistan and the >NE part of Afghanistan. Current reporting indicates that the US is >building up in those precise areas. And the " Northern Alliance " against >Afghanistan's brutal Taliban regime is located in No. Afghanistan, who are >soliciting USA help. Pluto & especially Saturn are most powerfully placed >in terms of cosmic intersections (per previous post). It is not surprising >to find that this is precisely where our military is literally loading its >bases. Many will recall Jim Lewis' speeches and/or info on three >converging PLU lines at the explosion in Japan of the hydrogen bomb -- USA >Declaration of War, President Truman's, and the first testing of that bomb! > >Additionally, the (ASC) line of URAnus runs along the western border of >Afghanistan near Iran. So transits to the radix planets of PLU-SAT >especially, and also Uranus, for Sep 11th are likely very definitive. > >Further speculative as to where we need to tighten our own defenses might be >inferred from the locality lines through the US. For instance, the Mars IC >line runs near the Great Lakes cities which have been one direct access line >into the US, via land and air. > >The Pluto ASC line through France & England could indicate their alarm; and >Saturn DSC line runs to the east of that through other parts of Europe - >they're taking this seriously and are on board in the coalition. However, >lacking from mention in the media and general consciousness is a possible >link with Columbian drug cartels. One key leader was extradited about 3 >days before this attack. Drug money and guns are related. I'm not seeing >that in the locality lines either. My old program does not pick up >latitude crossings. Anyone got the crossings for this time that they want >to share? > >So, John, if this chart turns out to be definitive in noting stragedy, >there's the astrological contribution. But getting it to the FBI could be >tricky - I think that one could say definitely they do not think >metaphysically. Potential expression of particular archetypes may not be >any where in their lexicon at all. > >Kay Anny van Berckel <avbdk katarche <katarche Cc: sidereal <sidereal Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:51 PM message Bin Laden > > Dear Jack, > > Thank you very much for the poster! I could not resist to > try out if I can figure out a birth time. After some days > research, it might be 3h 00'00'' o'clock GMT. This figure > is closely connected to the latest attacks and even to > Lockerbie and Nairobi. 1982 might be his marriage. In a > interview Bin Laden said 25 years is the time for marriage. > He wants boys for training from 15 - 25 years old. His > interest for religion in 1979 is clear in his solar figure. > The anticiscian points of the figure is quite interesting > in connection with WTC horoscope. I regret I do not know > how to find out one's presend/current place. It would safe > the effort of the army and the danger they are in. > Have luck and satisfaction with your work! > Regards, > Anny Anny van Berckel <avbdk Robert Baumgartner <katarche Cc: sidereal <sidereal Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:51 PM RE: Ideas Dear Robert! I am not a techinical member so I keep the letter small. Last week. I tried to email you with bigger letters, but I lost my epistel. It was too late to start all over again I send you an other email for the network, because I do not know how to send it otherwise. Now the answer to your ideas. Indeed I am late, but I have been busy with Bin Laden. I have a nice program named " Janus " which helps me casting a horoscope. I seldom experienced anybody, who wants to receive so many prognoses beforehand. Ever I learned of the Sun transite opp Sun rx, to cast a figure and also the ennead is interesting to figure out, which should be done with my calculator, because " Janus " does not provide me with it. If that is what clients want me to casting all these charts, I am glad I am not a professional. I like it better to work out a radix figure and write down my delineations for one year. Are you good at business horoscope delineation? I figured out one a few weeks ago and saw that the fixed stars were quite good situated, but the solar was a problem this year. The course of 60 hours you studied was that for astrology? Do you know the radixfigure of Boeing? " Janus' produces a grafic for me for a whole year. That is quite interesting to follow the course of a year. Ebertin in Germany wrote a text to explain the graffic. Did you ever heard of it? Transits cross the radix planets and shows the 45 aspects in a whole year for the native. The topografic possibillities are not studied yet. A.M.Grimm published a book about the weather and so. Besides that there are several planet configurations for different types of weather. With my " Janus " program it is quite simple to find these planetconfigurations. The program is developped in cooperation with the Hamburger Schule. What you mention about the study of behaviour by pschologists is interesting. I am a member of a researchgroup/Society of students / University Professors, who are working with the tropical study. It is amusing what they are trying out, par example 5000 of more birthdates (par computer of the University) of Psychology students and the Technical University students to compare the horoscopes why they are choosing this study. Naturally the firesigns were prominent for the psychologists and they lost interest, because the outcomings did not suite their hypothese. I saw the graffic of their study and commented. that their study was a great succes considering the sidereal zodiac, but the Prof did not listen to me. They want to succeed with the impossible zodiac. I am trying for 10 years to convince them. I am surprised about the 7 years cyclus starting with 23rd year. Surely these are right! I started at the 21rst - 28 - 42 - 48 - etc etc. Seems to me the younger one is the more influence the cyclus is. May be mature people are not influenced by it anymore, I do not know, but it is my expeience. What is your birthyear actually? Is Jupiter conjunct your Uranus? Transite Jupiter is moving through my 4rth house now. I feel quite well now; in a few months opposite my Mars in X in Sagitarius. In the radix Jupiter is not of influence connecting Mars. Mars (Sag) is conjunct Mercurius (wide) in Capricornus. Ever heard of the sun in India the ruler of Capricornus? I heard from an astrologer. The music of the sferes seems to be interesting , as you write, but I have no experience of this all. I wish you strength. I hope the current weather suites you better, now it is Autumn. Regards! Anny Michael Viele <solunars jack contreas <sidereal Monday, September 24, 2001 2:33 PM greetings >aloha....leaving for europe 10/03....would like to >call you and Bert before i leave. please email your >work tel #'s and your physical address. (lost address >book)...oh yes, please send cd 'profession and >birthdate' that you offered to send me. Take good care >of SPICA...next year sometime i'll retrieve them, in >the meantime, get them to disk.......if possible. > >....check out the anlunar for the cansolar just prior >to the 9/11 attack..(anlunar...9/9 >nyc) a real barrage of angular malefics. compare the >cansolar to the anlunar angles.....please check it out >and let me know what you think.......thanks, mike Kay Cavender <kcavender To:Jack Contreras <sidereal; Monday, September 24, 2001 2:36 PM Pres. Bush's SYNODIC RETURN - SEP 24, 2001 @10.42 am " EST " , in D.C. >Let me start with " OPPS! " regarding comments on Pres. Bush's previous >synodic cycle. I made reference to the date of OCT 4th when TR Mars will >come opposite his Natal Sun (true) and then said it would be on the Aug >synodic's MC (false!). Apologies for my short attention span - note his >present date for current cycle. Even so, with TR JUP conjunct his natal >Sun, when TR MARS comes to their opposition, that looks like one significant >trigger for " bringing justice to the terrorists " rather than " bringing them >to justice. " > >It is significant to look at these synodics in terms of locality charts, >which I have not yet done. > >Regarding his new synodic: generally I look at planets on synodic angles >(both natal & synodic) and the aspects especially to synodic moon in both >synodic and natal charts (aspects to the synodic sun are not " generally " >important unless it is angular in some way), as well as synodic planets >which are in significant aspect to the natal angles and lights. The >emphasis on the Moon is quite literally because the synodic cycle of 29.5 >days is the moon phase cycle which most of life on earth is keyed to. > >In this synodic, alas, Bush's natal Mars 15LEO20 is near the MC 15LEO10, >the most angular of any planet, very scary. Occurring all too soon, >Transits to his N MARS from the base-- sy Mars 13SAG59-- could be a trigger. > >And here the sy SUN is important; the sy >SUN is conjunct the fall equinox (a cosmic angle formed by the intersection >of the Earth's Celestial Equator and the Ecliptic) and within 3 degrees orb >in a secondary aspect (105 degrees) to SATurn, which is on the West Point! >(another angle formed by the Prime Vertical and Ecliptic). So sy Sun and >Saturn are both in aspect and both on " angles. " I hope (and pray) that >this indicates some considerable restraint to the MC Natal Mars. As my >brother who is in the National Guard said, " he's eating pork for breakfast. " >Yes there is a 3rd level aspect of the sy Sun to sy VEN, but VEN is a little >more than 5 degrees off the MC in Right Ascension. > >Additonally, the sy JUP is on the sy VERTEX as would be his Natal Sun, again >underscoring Sun qualities. To reiterate, the sleeper here is the TR Mars >which will come to the opposition of his N SUN ( & TR JUP), > >This morning just before this cycle kicked in, Bush announced his " first >strike " against terrorism in freezing their assets. Martian language with >a SATurnine act - freezing is putting the clamps on the money. He also >has some phrase about " starving " them out by freezing their assets. > >Other configurations that worry me: TR NEP is and has been hanging around >less than 3 degrees orb off his Natal DSC. Additionally, the sy MOON 9SAG50 >is separating from the Solar Apex (which intersects the Ecliptic) and is >semi-sextile (3rd level aspect, not) to that TR & SY NEP. The hollywood >western that Bush seems to have playing out in his head (Wanted - Dead or >Alive - and the bounty is $25 million buckeroos!) gives me considerable >anxiety. Restraint and realistic focus is very important. I haven't >checked, but in the future if this TR NEP becomes highly emphasized, it >could obscure all focus. >As my brother said, " If they go bio, we'll go nuclear. " > >It remains to cross check transits not only to Bush's chart, but also to the >1st Strike in NY and/or to the Pentagon. And as a side check to what we >hope is the correct data of Bin Laden. > >Sidereally, Kay Jack Sirildo Contreras Western Sidereal Astrologer MAG * SAN * WSN www.siderealzodiac.com sidereal (415) 863-7650 ICQ# 108925041 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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