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In a message dated 8/20/2000 6:02:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ereath writes:

 

> Kevin, Gauquelin didn't find any correlation between personality and Sun,

> Mercury, Pluto, Neptune and Uranus either. Would you suggest throwing out

> those as well?

>

 

Well, no. OTOH, while Gauquelin didn't find them (not really sure he

looked!), I have.

 

Of 52 known eccentrics in AstroDatabank, 73% have a Venus-Uranus aspect, as

opposed to 40-45% for the general population. Among the 491 vocalists and

musicians who belong to either pop or rock groups or duos, 306 of them (62%)

have a Venus-Uranus aspect. Both categories seem to have their Sun Signs

more or less " randomly " distributed throughout the signs. Although some

signs are markedly above or below the expected average (number of people in

the given category divided by 12), no one single sign stands out when

compared to the others.

 

Although AstroDatabank uses the Tropical Zodiac, one can " guestimate " the

Sidereal figures by multiplying the number of people in each sign by 5/6, and

adding it to 1/6 of the people in the previous sign.

 

Later,

Kevin

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In a message dated 8/20/2000 9:07:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ereath writes:

 

>WHOA! Kevin, this is intresting! Have you found anything for Pluto - angular

>or by aspect?

 

Not yet, but who knows what tomorrow may bring?

 

However, on a related note, consider one of the musicians whose birthtimes

are included -- Tropical Scorpio/Sidereal Libra Grace Slick, born 30 Oct

1939, 7:37AM CST, Evanston, IL (42N03, 87W31). Does she act " Scorpiod "

because her Sun is in Tropical Scorpio, or because Mars & Pluto, Scorpio's

" co-rulers " , are both the focal points of T-Squares in her chart? Ms Slick's

Pluto is also part of a Grand Trine as well.

 

> Gauquelin did claim to have searched for the " missing " planets, and said

he

> couldn't find anything. I am not in a position to either verify or

disprove

> those findings, but from my own experience these planets certainly do

> matter.

 

I agree. But, keep in mind that Gauquelin looked primarily at signs, houses,

and angularity, especially in the 12th and 9th houses. He found a

correlation between angularity of the Moon, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn with

certain types of careers. I don't recall his mentioning aspects, but the

people with, say, for example, angular Uranus, may have had a common thread

that wasn't obvious to him.

 

I, OTOH, am currently of the opinion that an angular Uranus gives one a need

for an audience. One who had this need could fulfill it in any number of

ways, from acting on stage or on screen, being a comedian, joining a rock

band, being a priest with a congregation, being on the radio or the debating

team, becoming a widely-known writer, to being the guy who " holds court " at

parties or bars.

 

> One partial explaination I've thought of is that the sun and three

farthest

> planets perhaps doesn't so easily correlate with proffesions - thus making

> them harder to spot - just a thought.

 

Keep in mind that a disproportionately high number of babies are born within

4 hrs of sunrise or two hours of sunset. I found this out, too, with

AstroDatabank. The 12th, 1st, and 7th houses have far more than their " fair

share " , while the houses surrounding the MH and IC have far less. In fact,

one fourth of all natal suns in charts with a reliable birthtime (Rodden

Ratings B or above) can be found somewhere in one sixth of the chart (12th

and 1st Houses; averaging 30* each). This may have thrown Gauquelin off the

proverbial track.

 

OTOH, there were people who became leaders in their fields despite having the

pertinent planet(s) in " weak " Gauquelin areas. How could this be? One

answer could be their aspects to other planets.

 

> And by the way, looking back on in, I feel my question came of a bit

> sarcastic - if it did, sorry, that wasn't my intention.

 

A hazard of e-mail. No offense taken ;-)

 

Later,

Kevin

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WHOA! Kevin, this is intresting! Have you found anything for Pluto - angular

or by aspect?

 

Gauquelin did claim to have searched for the " missing " planets, and said he

couldn't find anything. I am not in a position to either verify or disprove

those findings, but from my own experience these planets certainly do

matter.

 

One partial explaination I've thought of is that the sun and three farthest

planets perhaps doesn't so easily correlate with proffesions - thus making

them harder to spot - just a thought.

 

And by the way, looking back on in, I feel my question came of a bit

sarcastic - if it did, sorry, that wasn't my intention.

 

Ernst

 

>Well, no. OTOH, while Gauquelin didn't find them (not really sure he

>looked!), I have.>Of 52 known eccentrics in AstroDatabank, 73% have a

>Venus-Uranus aspect, as

>

 

>opposed to 40-45% for the general population. Among the 491 vocalists and

>musicians who belong to either pop or rock groups or duos, 306 of them

>(62%)

>have a Venus-Uranus aspect. Both categories seem to have their Sun Signs

>more or less " randomly " distributed throughout the signs. Although some

>signs are markedly above or below the expected average (number of people in

>the given category divided by 12), no one single sign stands out when

>compared to the others.

>

>Although AstroDatabank uses the Tropical Zodiac, one can " guestimate " the

>Sidereal figures by multiplying the number of people in each sign by 5/6,

>and

>adding it to 1/6 of the people in the previous sign.

>

>Later,

>Kevin

 

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>However, on a related note, consider one of the musicians whose birthtimes

>are included -- Tropical Scorpio/Sidereal Libra Grace Slick, born 30 Oct

>1939, 7:37AM CST, Evanston, IL (42N03, 87W31). Does she act " Scorpiod "

>because her Sun is in Tropical Scorpio, or because Mars & Pluto, Scorpio's

> " co-rulers " , are both the focal points of T-Squares in her chart? Ms

>Slick's

>Pluto is also part of a Grand Trine as well.

 

...and a quick check on Astrolog reveals that both Pluto and Mars are well

within Gauquelin's extended " angularity " . So's Venus and Uranus, just as you

said about several musicians. I totally agree with you here; Mars, Pluto and

Uranus more than enough account for any tropical scorpio influence. And

venus on the horizon indicates a person of artistic talent / sensitivity.

 

I have to admit to being very ambigious about the signs / constellations-

they did get me into astrology in the first place, I think they more often

than not DO fit the person - and yet I agree, when analysing an individual

chart, they really don't seem to be needed.

 

On the three " new " planets again; I have the impression Uranus is the most

" tangible " of them; and your findings on the planet correlates very well

with this, as well as with the chart above.

 

I'm very intrested in any findings on the three outermost planets because I

have a feeling they're pretty poorly understood (I may of course be

projecting my own thoughts here .

 

Ernst

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, " Ernst Robert Skrede "

<ereath@h...> wrote:

>

>>However, on a related note, consider one of the musicians

>>whose birthtimes are included -- Tropical Scorpio/Sidereal

>>Libra Grace Slick, born 30 Oct 1939, 7:37AM CST, Evanston,

>>IL (42N03, 87W31). Does she act " Scorpiod " because her

>>Sun is in Tropical Scorpio, or because Mars & Pluto,

>>Scorpio's " co-rulers " , are both the focal points of

>>T-Squares in her chart? Ms Slick's Pluto is also part

>>of a Grand Trine as well.

>

>...and a quick check on Astrolog reveals that both Pluto

>and Mars are well within Gauquelin's extended " angularity " .

>So's Venus and Uranus, just as you said about several

>musicians. I totally agree with you here; Mars, Pluto

>and Uranus more than enough account for any tropical

>scorpio influence. And venus on the horizon indicates a

>person of artistic talent / sensitivity.

 

What's really important, though, at least IMO, is that things like

Gauquelin's research and the AstroDatabank software (which made my

Venus-Uranus discovery possible) are bringing astrology out of the

realm of " belief-systems " and giving it a shot at becoming a real

science. The days of unsystematic observation, subjectivism, and

various " fudge factors " are drawing to a close. Tomorrow's

astrologer will have to know how to calculate standard deviations and

Chi-squares as well as sidereal times and planetary positions.

 

And there's nothing anyone can -- or should -- do about it.

 

Later,

Kevin