Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Hello, there, Dubie. 93. In a message dated 99-11-29 15:31:25 EST, you write: > I posted this question before but don't know if anyone's seen it. Can > anyone tell me what is the *ayanamsa* used for calculating a sidereal > astrology chart (w/computer), and what is it called (is 'ayanamsa' an > exclusively Vedic astrology term)? I use WinStar programs which offer > various options on calculating sidereal charts - Fagan/Bradley, Krisnamurti, > DeLuce, Raman, etc. Which one of these are mostly used? I'd appreciate if > someone could tell me more about this. Sorry if I missed it, but the _ayanamsa_ is the discrepancy between the Tropical and the Sidereal zodiacs. At the moment, it's roughly 25*. I use Halloran's AstrolDeluxe Writer for Windows, which only offers Tropical, Sidereal, and Draconian zodiacs, with no choice of ayanamsas. Most of these different _ayanamsas_ are within roughly one degree of each other. Fagan & Bradley have Spica at being at 29*06' Virgo. And, since it's in Virgo, that makes sense <g>. > Also, I'd like to know if astrological symbology (planets and signs) is the > same for sidereal as for tropical astrology. I'm fully aware that these > are " newbie " questions, but since no one is offering the basics, I have to > ask. (No laughing, please!) The planets and signs have the same symbolism in either approach. Hope that helps, Kevin/Baraka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Good evening, all. 93. In a message dated 99-11-30 17:25:56 EST, Dubie writes: > Thank you for clarifying this. You see, I thought that Sidereal and Vedic > Astrology were two different things, that's why I asked what was the " other " > term for ayanamsa. I mean I knew that Vedic astrology is based on sidereal > wheel, but I assumed that *sidereal astrology* (or what is referred to it) > had the same house signification as the tropical. Should I now be assuming > that in sidereal astrology you don't take into consideration the " Gods of > change, pain, crises and transformation " - Uranus, Neptune and Pluto? Can I > safely conclude that Sidereal Astrology is another name for Vedic Astrology > or Jyotish? Sidereal astrology is a " Western jyotish " . Unlike our colleagues from India, we do include Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, and have the options of various asteroids and points such as the Vertex and Black Moon Lilith as well. A Western Siderealist can, if he or she likes, use the same sign & house delineations as a Tropicalist, and will probably look at the aspects the same way as well. Remember that the real, essential difference between Tropical and Sidereal astrology is not that one says Aries is a leader and Scorpio is secretive and the other doesn't. Instead, the debate is over how to determine a person's " sign " -- by the declination of the sun and it's distance from the Vernal equinox point (Tropical) or the constellation the sun was in at the birth time (Sidereal). 93--93/93 Later, Kevin/Baraka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 >Aumgn93 > >Hello, there, Dubie. > >93. > >In a message dated 99-11-29 15:31:25 EST, you write: > >> I posted this question before but don't know if anyone's seen it. Can >> anyone tell me what is the *ayanamsa* used for calculating a sidereal >> astrology chart (w/computer), and what is it called (is 'ayanamsa' an >> exclusively Vedic astrology term)? I use WinStar programs which offer >> various options on calculating sidereal charts - Fagan/Bradley, >Krisnamurti, >> DeLuce, Raman, etc. Which one of these are mostly used? I'd appreciate if >> someone could tell me more about this. > >Sorry if I missed it, but the _ayanamsa_ is the discrepancy between the >Tropical and the Sidereal zodiacs. At the moment, it's roughly 25*. > >I use Halloran's AstrolDeluxe Writer for Windows, which only offers Tropical, >Sidereal, and Draconian zodiacs, with no choice of ayanamsas. > >Most of these different _ayanamsas_ are within roughly one degree of each >other. > >Fagan & Bradley have Spica at being at 29*06' Virgo. And, since it's in >Virgo, that makes sense <g>. > >> Also, I'd like to know if astrological symbology (planets and signs) is the >> same for sidereal as for tropical astrology. I'm fully aware that these >> are " newbie " questions, but since no one is offering the basics, I have to >> ask. (No laughing, please!) > >The planets and signs have the same symbolism in either approach. > Dear Kevin/Baraka, Thank you for clarifying this. You see, I thought that Sidereal and Vedic Astrology were two different things, that's why I asked what was the " other " term for ayanamsa. I mean I knew that Vedic astrology is based on sidereal wheel, but I assumed that *sidereal astrology* (or what is referred to it) had the same house signification as the tropical. Should I now be assuming that in sidereal astrology you don't take into consideration the " Gods of change, pain, crises and transformation " - Uranus, Neptune and Pluto? Can I safely conclude that Sidereal Astrology is another name for Vedic Astrology or Jyotish? (Do I hear an applause or what?) Love and Light, Dubie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 the real, essential difference between Tropical >and Sidereal astrology is not that one says Aries is a leader and Scorpio is >secretive and the other doesn't. Instead, the debate is over how to >determine a person's " sign " -- by the declination of the sun and it's >distance from the Vernal equinox point (Tropical) or the constellation the >sun was in at the birth time (Sidereal). >Kevin/Baraka Thank you Kevin for stating this in such a concise and clear fashion. Hopefully this will serve to clear the cobwebs from the minds of many. I love this definition. Jewel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 >Aumgn93 > >Good evening, all. > >93. > >Sidereal astrology is a " Western jyotish " . Unlike our colleagues from India, >we do include Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, and have the options of various >asteroids and points such as the Vertex and Black Moon Lilith as well. > >A Western Siderealist can, if he or she likes, use the same sign & house >delineations as a Tropicalist, and will probably look at the aspects the same >way as well. Remember that the real, essential difference between Tropical >and Sidereal astrology is not that one says Aries is a leader and Scorpio is >secretive and the other doesn't. Instead, the debate is over how to >determine a person's " sign " -- by the declination of the sun and it's >distance from the Vernal equinox point (Tropical) or the constellation the >sun was in at the birth time (Sidereal). > >93--93/93 > >Later, >Kevin/Baraka > Dear Kevin! Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this to me. Now that the basics are clear, I think I'll be able to follow the discussion with more understanding. Love and Light, Dubie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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