Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dear Sir, There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system. Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati – In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord Ganesha – Like this we may find here and there. That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a the decease without treatment. It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional system for remedial measures. rao chitturu yatenmadhyan <yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P astrology. Yatendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Dear Mr.Rao, Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that one is destined to,as per his past Karma... Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always held... This is what our late Guruji had always taught us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: Dear Sir,There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord Ganesha –Like this we may find here and there.That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a the decease without treatment.It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional system for remedial measures.rao chitturuyatenmadhyan <yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P astrology.Yatendra Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 dear Yatenmadyan In KP no remdies, except sincere prayers to God to give strength to bear the results of our Karma, are given. Good Luck yatenmadhyan <yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P astrology.Yatendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 dear Rao I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek remedial measures. KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...." The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments. simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as remedial measures - Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc., When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works. Let us be radical in analysis. As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time. rao chitturuYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Rao, Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that one is destined to,as per his past Karma... Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always held... This is what our late Guruji had always taught us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: Dear Sir,There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord Ganesha –Like this we may find here and there.That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a the decease without treatment.It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional system for remedial measures.rao chitturuyatenmadhyan <yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P astrology.Yatendra Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. But one life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The ocean of " vedic astrology " is the accumulation of several ages. " Remedial Measures " is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent and degree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart. Vidyadhar > rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: > > dear Rao > I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures. > KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change .... " > The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments. > simply because Prof.KP told that ... " even Bramha cannot... " we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc., > When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works. > Let us be radical in analysis. > As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time. > rao chitturu > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Rao, > Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to " remedial > measures " , " pariharas " etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet... " to some extent " ...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma... > Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held... > This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of " pariharas " , " shantis " > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer... > Wishing you the very best, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: > Dear Sir, > There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system. > Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati – > In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha – > Like this we may find here and there. > That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment. > It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures. > rao chitturu > > > yatenmadhyan <yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology. > Yatendra > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Respected members, I totally agree that one life time is not sufficient to extend the horizon of a subject matter. Our guruji has done his part exceedingly well and that is the reason we are here in the forum to sharpen our prediction skills and learn from each other. Now it is in our hands to further extend the applicability of KP system, if possible. This is just a thought from this totally new person. sincerely, Balu Karthikeyan vvidya wrote: Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. But one life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The ocean of "vedic astrology" is the accumulation of several ages. "Remedial Measures" is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent and degree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart.Vidyadhar> rao chitturu wrote:> > dear Rao> I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures.> KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...."> The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments.> simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc.,> When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works.> Let us be radical in analysis.> As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time.> rao chitturu> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao,> Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial > measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma...> Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held...> This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer...> Wishing you the very best,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > rao chitturu wrote:> Dear Sir,> There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.> Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –> In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha –> Like this we may find here and there.> That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment.> It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures.> rao chitturu> > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology.> Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu, As per my own experience after having studied both, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40-45 years,I can assert great confidence,to all of you that "freewill" plays a part upto only 5%...and that too,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or "prarabdha" plays the rest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind... That "freewill" has a great role to play in one's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhaps stand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing "pariharas" and prescribing "remedies",which in reality cannot help... Karma has no place for free will,if at all, as said above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises only offer some sort of "mental peace or solace" that,one has "done his best",and that,almost all these people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spent considerable sums of money,finally end up saying -"now the rest was my fate or God's will..." Traditional astrologers need to keep such as belief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendations for "parihars" etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document these along with the Birth-chart,the "dosha",and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and the result... Guruji ,after having studied all these claims and results,and studied the horoscopes of the "victims", for several years,had reached the conclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE for remedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so... The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and "free-will" on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by any Traditional Astrologer...as yet. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! vvidya wrote: Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. But one life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The ocean of "vedic astrology" is the accumulation of several ages. "Remedial Measures" is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent and degree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart.Vidyadhar> rao chitturu wrote:> > dear Rao> I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures.> KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...."> The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments.> simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc.,> When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works.> Let us be radical in analysis.> As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time.> rao chitturu> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao,> Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial > measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma...> Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held...> This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer...> Wishing you the very best,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > rao chitturu wrote:> Dear Sir,> There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.> Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –> In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha –> Like this we may find here and there.> That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment.> It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures.> rao chitturu> > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology.> Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 As members of an astrology list you would have all heard of Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. He has an Ayanamsa named after him. He was the guru of the reknown Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. Sri Yukteswar was a God-Realised Master. A God-Realised Master is one who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage where all knowledge is available to him just for the asking. In the famous book, " Autobiography of a Yogi " Swami Paramahansa Yogananda narrates how his guru made him wear an " Amulet " to ward off the unwanted effects of malefic planets. Wearing of the amulet is an astrological " remedial measure " . I don't have the book, " Autobiography of a Yogi " with me just now since I am on vacation in Singapore. Else I would have quoted verbatim Sri Yukteswar's advice to his disciple on the efficacy of the amulet, the astrological " remedial measure " . Swami Yukteswar believed in the efficacy of astrological remedial measures while Prof KSK didn't. If one is right, the other is wrong. Both cannot be right. Now which one do you suppose is right? Vidyadhar > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu, As per my own experience after having studied both, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40-45 years,I can assert great confidence,to all of you that " freewill " plays a part upto only 5%...and that too,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or " prarabdha " plays the rest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind... That " freewill " has a great role to play in one's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhaps stand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing " pariharas " and prescribing " remedies " ,which in reality cannot help... Karma has no place for free will,if at all, as said above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises only offer some sort of " mental peace or solace " that,one has " done his best " ,and that,almost all these people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spent considerable sums of money,finally end up saying - " now the rest was my fate or God's will... " Traditional astrologers need to keep such as belief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendations for " parihars " etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document these along with the Birth-chart,the " dosha " ,and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and the result... Guruji ,after having studied all these claims and results,and studied the horoscopes of the " victims " , for several years,had reached the conclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE for remedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so... The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and " free-will " on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by any Traditional Astrologer...as yet. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! vvidya wrote: Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. But one life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The ocean of " vedic astrology " is the accumulation of several ages. " Remedial Measures " is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent and degree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart. Vidyadhar > rao chitturu wrote: > > dear Rao > I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures. > KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change .... " > The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments. > simply because Prof.KP told that ... " even Bramha cannot... " we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc., > When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works. > Let us be radical in analysis. > As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time. > rao chitturu > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao, > Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to " remedial > measures " , " pariharas " etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet... " to some extent " ...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma... > Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held... > This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of " pariharas " , " shantis " > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer... > Wishing you the very best, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > rao chitturu wrote: > Dear Sir, > There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system. > Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati – > In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha – > Like this we may find here and there. > That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment. > It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures. > rao chitturu > > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology. > Yatendra > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Dear Yogesh Rao, I could not agree with you more. I have not tried remedies, but certainly I have tried free will and have observed how chance plays its role. Destiny only unfolds most of the time. An extremely simple experiment would prove this. Go and try to get money from wherever it is due to you at a time that is not favourable. You will discover for yourself what happens. I have also seen the reverse happening. Money has come to my hands late at 9.50 pm in an office setting, an impossibility in normal circumstances. I tried for it at 3.45 PM in the evening and failed. I gave it up to try another day. And then this comes with management having made a special arrangement to disburse to those to whom it was due late in the evening. I checked the ruling planets and was both amused and amazed at how the planets worked. The significators were ruling then again, this time stronger. I learnt why the significators at 3.45 failed. It was a matter of strength of the planets. I bowed my head to the planets, as indeed I have whenever I have seen their effects unfolding before me with uncanny impact. Seshadrivvidya wrote: As members of an astrology list you would have all heard of Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. He has an Ayanamsa named after him. He was the guru of the reknown Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. Sri Yukteswar was a God-Realised Master. A God-Realised Master is one who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage where all knowledge is available to him just for the asking. In the famous book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" Swami Paramahansa Yogananda narrates how his guru made him wear an "Amulet" to ward off the unwanted effects of malefic planets. Wearing of the amulet is an astrological "remedial measure". I don't have the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" with me just now since I am on vacation in Singapore. Else I would have quoted verbatim Sri Yukteswar's advice to his disciple on the efficacy of the amulet, the astrological "remedial measure". Swami Yukteswar believed in the efficacy of astrological remedial measures while Prof KSK didn't. If one is right, the other is wrong. Both cannot be right. Now which one do you suppose is right?Vidyadhar> Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu,As per my own experience after having studiedboth, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40-45 years,I can assertgreat confidence,to all of you that "freewill" plays a part upto only 5%...and thattoo,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or "prarabdha" plays therest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind...That "freewill" has a great role to play inone's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhapsstand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing "pariharas" andprescribing "remedies",which in reality cannot help...Karma has no place for free will,if at all, assaid above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises onlyoffer some sort of "mental peace or solace" that,one has "done his best",and that,almost allthese people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spentconsiderable sums of money,finally end up saying -"now the rest was my fate or God'swill..."Traditional astrologers need to keep such asbelief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendationsfor "parihars" etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document thesealong with the Birth-chart,the "dosha",and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and theresult...Guruji ,after having studied all these claimsand results,and studied the horoscopes of the "victims", for several years,had reached theconclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE forremedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so...The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and"free-will" on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by anyTraditional Astrologer...as yet.With best wishes,Yours sincerely,L.Y.Rao.GOOD LUCK !vvidya wrote:Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. Butone life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The oceanof "vedic astrology" is the accumulation of several ages. "Remedial Measures" is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent anddegree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart.Vidyadhar> rao chitturu wrote:> > dear Rao> I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures.> KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...."> The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments.> simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc.,> When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works.> Let us be radical in analysis.> As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time.> rao chitturu> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao,> Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial > measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma...> Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held...> This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer...> Wishing you the very best,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > rao chitturu wrote:> Dear Sir,> There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.> Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –> In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha –> Like this we may find here and there.> That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment.> It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures.> rao chitturu> > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology.> Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Vidyadhar ji, Lajmi ji has mentioned about 5% free will. The actual number may vary but IMO existence of free will to some extents supports the concept of remedies. I have personally seen quite a few people getting benefited by remedies. But there is no mechanism to identify whether it is due to remedies or one's past karma. Sri KSK was not much in favor of remedies and hence it is no benefit discussing remedies in KP forum. Also it is an age old debate, and I request everybody not to start discussing it again. We discussed it many times in past and without any conclusion. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey , vvidya@o... wrote: > > As members of an astrology list you would have all heard of Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. He has an Ayanamsa named after him. He was the guru of the reknown Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. Sri Yukteswar was a God-Realised Master. A God-Realised Master is one who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage where all knowledge is available to him just for the asking. > > In the famous book, " Autobiography of a Yogi " Swami Paramahansa Yogananda narrates how his guru made him wear an " Amulet " to ward off the unwanted effects of malefic planets. Wearing of the amulet is an astrological " remedial measure " . > > I don't have the book, " Autobiography of a Yogi " with me just now since I am on vacation in Singapore. Else I would have quoted verbatim Sri Yukteswar's advice to his disciple on the efficacy of the amulet, the astrological " remedial measure " . > > Swami Yukteswar believed in the efficacy of astrological remedial measures while Prof KSK didn't. If one is right, the other is wrong. Both cannot be right. Now which one do you suppose is right? > > Vidyadhar > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu, > As per my own experience after having studied > both, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40- 45 years,I can assert > great confidence,to all of you that " freewill " plays a part upto only 5%...and that > too,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or " prarabdha " plays the > rest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind... > That " freewill " has a great role to play in > one's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhaps > stand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing " pariharas " and > prescribing " remedies " ,which in reality cannot help... > Karma has no place for free will,if at all, as > said above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises only > offer some sort of " mental peace or solace " that,one has " done his best " ,and that,almost all > these people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spent > considerable sums of money,finally end up saying - " now the rest was my fate or God's > will... " > Traditional astrologers need to keep such as > belief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendations > for " parihars " etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document these > along with the Birth-chart,the " dosha " ,and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and the > result... > Guruji ,after having studied all these claims > and results,and studied the horoscopes of the " victims " , for several years,had reached the > conclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE for > remedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so... > The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and > " free-will " on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by any > Traditional Astrologer...as yet. > With best wishes, > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > vvidya@o... wrote: > Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. But > one life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The ocean > of " vedic astrology " is the accumulation of several ages. > > " Remedial Measures " is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent and > degree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart. > > Vidyadhar > > > > > rao chitturu wrote: > > > > dear Rao > > I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > > remedial measures. > > KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > > saying --that Even Brama cannot change .... " > > The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments. > > simply because Prof.KP told that ... " even Bramha cannot... " we need > > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > > remedial measures - > > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc., > > When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works. > > Let us be radical in analysis. > > As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time. > > rao chitturu > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao, > > Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to " remedial > > measures " , " pariharas " etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > > benefic results promised by a planet... " to some extent " ...as K.P., is > > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > > one is destined to,as per his past Karma... > > Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > > held... > > This is what our late Guruji had always taught > > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of " pariharas " , " shantis " > > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer... > > Wishing you the very best, > > L.Y.Rao. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > rao chitturu wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system. > > Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati – > > In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > > Ganesha – > > Like this we may find here and there. > > That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > > the decease without treatment. > > It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > > system for remedial measures. > > rao chitturu > > > > > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > > astrology. > > Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 dear Vvidya When it comes to a question of "belief" there can be no right or wrong. vvidya wrote: As members of an astrology list you would have all heard of Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. He has an Ayanamsa named after him. He was the guru of the reknown Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. Sri Yukteswar was a God-Realised Master. A God-Realised Master is one who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage where all knowledge is available to him just for the asking. In the famous book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" Swami Paramahansa Yogananda narrates how his guru made him wear an "Amulet" to ward off the unwanted effects of malefic planets. Wearing of the amulet is an astrological "remedial measure". I don't have the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" with me just now since I am on vacation in Singapore. Else I would have quoted verbatim Sri Yukteswar's advice to his disciple on the efficacy of the amulet, the astrological "remedial measure". Swami Yukteswar believed in the efficacy of astrological remedial measures while Prof KSK didn't. If one is right, the other is wrong. Both cannot be right. Now which one do you suppose is right?Vidyadhar> Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu,As per my own experience after having studiedboth, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40-45 years,I can assertgreat confidence,to all of you that "freewill" plays a part upto only 5%...and thattoo,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or "prarabdha" plays therest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind...That "freewill" has a great role to play inone's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhapsstand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing "pariharas" andprescribing "remedies",which in reality cannot help...Karma has no place for free will,if at all, assaid above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises onlyoffer some sort of "mental peace or solace" that,one has "done his best",and that,almost allthese people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spentconsiderable sums of money,finally end up saying -"now the rest was my fate or God'swill..."Traditional astrologers need to keep such asbelief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendationsfor "parihars" etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document thesealong with the Birth-chart,the "dosha",and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and theresult...Guruji ,after having studied all these claimsand results,and studied the horoscopes of the "victims", for several years,had reached theconclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE forremedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so...The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and"free-will" on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by anyTraditional Astrologer...as yet.With best wishes,Yours sincerely,L.Y.Rao.GOOD LUCK !vvidya wrote:Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. Butone life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The oceanof "vedic astrology" is the accumulation of several ages. "Remedial Measures" is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent anddegree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart.Vidyadhar> rao chitturu wrote:> > dear Rao> I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures.> KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...."> The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments.> simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc.,> When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works.> Let us be radical in analysis.> As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time.> rao chitturu> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao,> Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial > measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma...> Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held...> This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer...> Wishing you the very best,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > rao chitturu wrote:> Dear Sir,> There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.> Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –> In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha –> Like this we may find here and there.> That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment.> It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures.> rao chitturu> > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology.> Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 sir, question of belief is correct - I wish to add - what i understood about remedial measurs and KP is - KP has not denied the validity of remedial measures - my understanding is that it may not be in the reach of those who are destined to suffer - nullifying past bad karma is a great task - only few can achieve that - perhaps in this context KP did not emphasize on remedial measures - in the books written by him - Had he lived for some time he might have, perhaps, thrown some more light iin this direction..rao chitturuanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: dear Vvidya When it comes to a question of "belief" there can be no right or wrong. vvidya wrote: As members of an astrology list you would have all heard of Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. He has an Ayanamsa named after him. He was the guru of the reknown Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. Sri Yukteswar was a God-Realised Master. A God-Realised Master is one who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage where all knowledge is available to him just for the asking. In the famous book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" Swami Paramahansa Yogananda narrates how his guru made him wear an "Amulet" to ward off the unwanted effects of malefic planets. Wearing of the amulet is an astrological "remedial measure". I don't have the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" with me just now since I am on vacation in Singapore. Else I would have quoted verbatim Sri Yukteswar's advice to his disciple on the efficacy of the amulet, the astrological "remedial measure". Swami Yukteswar believed in the efficacy of astrological remedial measures while Prof KSK didn't. If one is right, the other is wrong. Both cannot be right. Now which one do you suppose is right?Vidyadhar> Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> Dear Vidydhar & Rao Chitturu,As per my own experience after having studiedboth, Traditional Astrology and K.P.,and practised both for over 40-45 years,I can assertgreat confidence,to all of you that "freewill" plays a part upto only 5%...and thattoo,only in certain, and very few aspects...only...while destiny or "prarabdha" plays therest...95 % role in the real-time experiences of human-kind...That "freewill" has a great role to play inone's life is a myth promoted by a large section of traditional astrologers,who perhapsstand to explain away their failures and/or stand to benefit, by performing "pariharas" andprescribing "remedies",which in reality cannot help...Karma has no place for free will,if at all, assaid above,only to a miniscule extent...It has been my experience that such practises onlyoffer some sort of "mental peace or solace" that,one has "done his best",and that,almost allthese people,after having gained no significant benefit,even after sometimes having spentconsiderable sums of money,finally end up saying -"now the rest was my fate or God'swill..."Traditional astrologers need to keep such asbelief alive...and I urge them to analyse as to what success,if any, their recomendationsfor "parihars" etc., have achieved in real time...and if so could they please document thesealong with the Birth-chart,the "dosha",and the 'remedy' they had prescribed, and theresult...Guruji ,after having studied all these claimsand results,and studied the horoscopes of the "victims", for several years,had reached theconclusion...that,in the Karmic sheme of things,there is NO PLACE forremedies/pariharas/shantis et al...and written so...The dichotomy of Karma,on the one hand,and"free-will" on the other...cannot be explained,satisfactorily, and has not been...by anyTraditional Astrologer...as yet.With best wishes,Yours sincerely,L.Y.Rao.GOOD LUCK !vvidya wrote:Prof KSK had propounded KP. In his lifetime he had developed this system considerably. Butone life time is not enough to enunciate EVERY aspect and priniciple of a system. The oceanof "vedic astrology" is the accumulation of several ages. "Remedial Measures" is an acknowledged part and parcel of vedic astrology. The extent anddegree of its effectiveness and applicability, I suspect, will vary from chart to chart.Vidyadhar> rao chitturu wrote:> > dear Rao> I mean to say that KP system is not fullfledeged for those who seek > remedial measures.> KP has, perhaps, ended the thought of remedial measures with the > saying --that Even Brama cannot change ...."> The remedial mesures are a part of the subject " Fate Vs.Freewill " -- > > I also say that unless the natal chart etc., permits the remedial > measures are not effective - the valiity of the subject is very > debatable - mostly for those who stick to their arguments.> simply because Prof.KP told that ..." even Bramha cannot..." we need > not halt there and rule out the old the age-old subject of remedial > measures. - sometimes built-in mrechanism in the natal charts works as > remedial measures - > Nobody has seen where is Brahma - let us think of the planetary forces > - Human will etc., not the concepts like Brahma etc.,> When we are differing with old saints in Hindu system on seeing the KP > system why not we differ from Prof.KP for further works.> Let us be radical in analysis.> As I am oten repeating - this is a vast subject it needs a separate > platform - even to rule out. I cannot extend for want of time.> rao chitturu> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote: Dear Mr.Rao,> Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Martand,Shr K.S > Krishnamurthiji, gave little importance to "remedial > measures","pariharas" etc.,in fact in one of his most illuminating > lectures on the subject,he had generally dimissed them as mere > placebos,for psychological satisfaction,but did say that the wearing of > gems suitable to the most benefic planet in a Birth Chart,could enhance > benefic results promised by a planet..." to some extent"...as K.P., is > based upon one's Karma alone...and that one has to experience all that > one is destined to,as per his past Karma...> Whatever Bramha has once ordained at one's Birth, > even Brahma himself cannot change/alter...is what KSK had always > held...> This is what our late Guruji had always taught > us,and my experience also shows that no amount of "pariharas","shantis" > et al.,can alter or even modify, whatever one is destined to suffer...> Wishing you the very best,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > rao chitturu wrote:> Dear Sir,> There is no much matter about remedial measures mentioned in KP system.> Prof.KP himself an ardent devotee of Uchishta Ganapati –> In reader four – for child birth – it is suggested to worship Lord > Ganesha –> Like this we may find here and there.> That way the system is not full-fledged- In the sense that astrology is > not complete without suggesting remedial measures – It is like naming a > the decease without treatment.> It is where KP practioners (including myself) resort to traditional > system for remedial measures.> rao chitturu> > > yatenmadhyan wrote: I have not heard > about the remedial measures as per K P astrology.Is > there anybody who can guide me about remedial measures as per K P > astrology.> Yatendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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