Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Members, I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site. I invite members to comment. Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Congretulatins........... Punarphoo means delay in marrigae is wrong impression. punarphoo delay in evry fild of life.and cusp involve aer where SAT and MOON signifies in chart. for exsample if sat and moon signifies 6,10,11 then netive face delay in job or bussines. regards kanak "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga To: Subject: Punarphoo - StudyMon, 05 Sep 2005 08:46:02 -0000Dear Members,I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site.I invite members to comment.Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Shree Rangarajan Good work. However could you classify the same under the various heading. No of cases which had trouble and numbers which did not have any reported troubles/or obstacles. This may give us an inkling into which cause of Poonarphoo is more effective in causing troubles in marriages. This is just a suggestion. good luck Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site.I invite members to comment.Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Dr.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, Thank you for enlightening us and reducing the misnomer about PP. You have done a stupendous job, spending your valuable time and resources. Reward for hard work is more and more hard work! I am sure that you did not have the time in the last two or three days to go through the Forum. I request you to see the messages posted by me and am eagerly awaiting your comments along with others. I wonder whether it is right to seek anything further on the subject for analytical quantification of the data you have on hand although you have confirmed that 50% of the charts have no impact of PP. A step further to freeze the findings I happened to go through http://www.answers.com/ wherein Maximum Likelihood Estimation formula is available. I am not too familiar in using the formula. Just in case you have the time, you may kindly explore. Various Planetary Configurations Between Saturn and Moon (Figures are 'YES' mentioned in your analysis: A) Saturn in Moon Sign- 5 B) Saturn in Moon Star - 6 C) Saturn in Moon sub - 1 D) Moon in Saturn sign - 6 E) Moon in Saturn star - 4 F) Moon in Saturn sub - 4 G) Saturn and Moon in same sign - 2 H) Saturn and Moon in same house - 5 I) Saturn aspects Moon (Vedic) - 4 J) Western aspect between Saturn and Moon - Is it possible for you to clarify the following points:- 1. From this can I understand that the least effect observed is from 'G' above? 2. What is your personal opinion? 3. Is it worth considering PP as a separate subject? 4. Does it not reflect the basic delatory characteristics of Saturn? Regards, K Jagadish Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site.I invite members to comment.Regards,Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dears Kanak and Rangarajan, Punarphoo dosha gives delay in marriage, engagement etc.,ONLY when Sat is in Moon's star or sub and vice-versa, AND, IF MOON IS POSITED IN BHAVAS I,III,V VII ,X...as given in the book Pumarphoo...on p.3., very clearly, under the heading..."What is Punarphoo"... I feel that it is this observation which needs to be tested...not just Sat and Moon "connection"... Do the 50% cases that do not show delay in marriage/engagement etc., satisfy the above given criteria...? It is my humble request that research must be carried out carefully...and meticulously,without any bias,and it must be seen to be FAIR...and not seen as done with the sole objective of trying to 'pick holes' in Vaikari's nicely written book...a first of its kind attempt,to unfold the hitherto unfamiliar phenomenon of Punarphoo,to K.P. followers... Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Rangarajan, Congretulatins........... Punarphoo means delay in marrigae is wrong impression. punarphoo delay in evry fild of life.and cusp involve aer where SAT and MOON signifies in chart. for exsample if sat and moon signifies 6,10,11 then netive face delay in job or bussines. regards kanak "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga To: Subject: Punarphoo - StudyMon, 05 Sep 2005 08:46:02 -0000Dear Members,I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site.I invite members to comment.Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Kanak, Thanks. You are right, I remember reading that Punarphoo applies not just to marriage. However, I chose marriage as the focus for our initial study since it is the area most discussed in the context of Punarphoo. Regards, Rangarajan , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Dear Rangarajan, We owe you a lot for the detailed exercise you are going thru on the effect of punarphoo, on marriage .Other activities of human life like education,career, need to also examined from punarphoo effect. I am sure in your analysis, in examining the above effect, the purity of this dosha is being treated as exclusive,that is to say,there are no other doshas contributiing to the problem. It is no wonder you were seeking for a " right " definition of PP,when we are talking of apples,we should not mixing up oranges. Our Best Wishes. Satish , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dears Kanak and Rangarajan, > Punarphoo dosha gives delay in marriage, engagement etc.,ONLY when Sat is in Moon's star or sub and vice-versa, AND, IF MOON IS POSITED IN BHAVAS I,III,V VII ,X...as given in the book Pumarphoo...on p.3., very clearly, under the heading... " What is Punarphoo " ... > I feel that it is this observation which needs to be tested...not just Sat and Moon " connection " ... Do the 50% cases that do not show delay in marriage/engagement etc., satisfy the above given criteria...? > It is my humble request that research must be carried out carefully...and meticulously,without any bias,and it must be seen to be FAIR...and not seen as done with the sole objective of trying to 'pick holes' in Vaikari's nicely written book...a first of its kind attempt,to unfold the hitherto unfamiliar phenomenon of Punarphoo,to K.P. followers... > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > Congretulatins........... > > Punarphoo means delay in marrigae is wrong impression. > > punarphoo delay in evry fild of life.and cusp involve aer where SAT and MOON signifies in chart. > > for exsample if sat and moon signifies 6,10,11 then netive face delay in job or bussines. > > regards > > kanak > > > > " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...> > > > Punarphoo - Study > Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:46:02 -0000 > > Dear Members, > I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this > forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly > 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or > delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel > file uploaded to the site. > > I invite members to comment. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear TW, Thanks! Regards, Rangarajan , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > > 1. Ypurs is a systematically done analysis for those who understand > research work. > > 2. As mentioned before, out of 100 charts with more than one > marriage in the study of KP multiple marriage rule, Punarpho appears > in 60 charts. Out of those 60 charts, age for first marriage is > available for 53 charts. In 25 out of those 53 charts, i.e. 47% > marriage is delayed which is supposed to be the same pattern in your > analysis. > > Regards, > > tw > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Members, It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs... I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ..."Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc..." and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...? Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage-related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X... The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. ! It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me... Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ? With the best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Dears Kanak and Rangarajan, Punarphoo dosha gives delay in marriage, engagement etc.,ONLY when Sat is in Moon's star or sub and vice-versa, AND, IF MOON IS POSITED IN BHAVAS I,III,V VII ,X...as given in the book Pumarphoo...on p.3., very clearly, under the heading..."What is Punarphoo"... I feel that it is this observation which needs to be tested...not just Sat and Moon "connection"... Do the 50% cases that do not show delay in marriage/engagement etc., satisfy the above given criteria...? It is my humble request that research must be carried out carefully...and meticulously,without any bias,and it must be seen to be FAIR...and not seen as done with the sole objective of trying to 'pick holes' in Vaikari's nicely written book...a first of its kind attempt,to unfold the hitherto unfamiliar phenomenon of Punarphoo,to K.P. followers... Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Rangarajan, Congretulatins........... Punarphoo means delay in marrigae is wrong impression. punarphoo delay in evry fild of life.and cusp involve aer where SAT and MOON signifies in chart. for exsample if sat and moon signifies 6,10,11 then netive face delay in job or bussines. regards kanak "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga To: Subject: Punarphoo - StudyMon, 05 Sep 2005 08:46:02 -0000Dear Members,I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in this forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. Roughly 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle or delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an Excel file uploaded to the site.I invite members to comment.Regards,Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Shri.Lajmi, Thanks for your keen interest in helping us all understand the correct definition of Punarphoo. I have with me the book " Punarphoo " (Edition 1999 - 2000) that you cite as reference. But I cannot understand from where you have taken the particular definition you are recommending. Here are some definitions I found in the same book. 1) " ... Sat is in the star of Moon and his own sub (Sat) or Moon is in the star of Sat and in his own sub (Moon) or if Moon- Saturn is found in one sign. " [Page-1] 2) " Besides the above, ... the following way: a) Moon in star of Sat and Sat in star of Moon b) Moon in sub of Sat and in the sub of Moon c) Moon is in the 3rd sign or in the 10th sign from Sat to Saturn's 3rd and 10th aspect over Moon " [Page-2] 3) " In general, Sat in lagna, 2nd house, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house and also 11th house will give lot of troubles and delays in his life " [Page-2] 4) " But Punarphoo dosha is mainly caused by the evil aspect over Moon by his (Saturn) powerful 3rd to 10th aspect and his other aspects over Moon is secondary " [Page-2,3] 5) " If Sat is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Sat or if Moon is deposited in the house (Bhavas 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10) then such difficulties arise. There are a few more definitions in the 3 pages of the first article. But I could not find the exact one you have mentioned. Why did you choose the specific one you have used when there are so many in the same chapter? Now look at Page-4. Here the author says: " The Saturn in lagna indicates some obstacles, delay and dejection ... " Page-6: " The position of Sat in lagna and Moon in 7th indicates Punarphoo " Page-8,9: " Sat - Moon combination in 7th bhava... causing Punarphoo " How can anyone understand what Punarphoo is by reading this book? Please help us. Regards, Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Members, > It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs... > I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ... " Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc... " and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... > Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...? > Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage- related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X... > The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. ! > It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me... > Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ? > With the best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Dr.Rangarajan, Whatever you have stated is what I have also read in the book. Now that you are spending "Quality Time" on the subject, which I am sure is purely from the point of view of understanding with no commercial ambitions of publishing another book on the subject, May I draw your kind attention to one point which, if we miss out now could cause considerable anxiety later? - The point involved is that there are just about 5 cases (approx) where Saturn is Retro. Can you kindly include the fall out of Saturn being Retro with no impact on PP? My understanding of a planet being Retro is - (a) generally it tends to give the effects of next house, in transit, (b) while in birth charts no meaning is attached, © in Horary, we need to give it a back seat, again depending upon the context and corelation with other parameters and perhaps rightly so. Therefore, since the PP is being analysed at the present juncture with reference to natal chart, I thought it is prudent to include this point. This perhaps adds a new dimension to the subject. May I appeal to you to look into the issue, in totality, wherein the Retro of Saturn is addressed, since the whole issue of PP admitedly has far reaching consequences on the individual chart. I understand that it will cost you more time and our (say my) suggestions / critical comments thus amounts to shedding 'crocodile tears', apart from demoralising your spirit. Regards, K JagadishRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Lajmi,Thanks for your keen interest in helping us all understand the correct definition of Punarphoo. I have with me the book "Punarphoo" (Edition 1999 - 2000) that you cite as reference. But I cannot understand from where you have taken the particular definition you are recommending. Here are some definitions I found in the same book.1) "... Sat is in the star of Moon and his own sub (Sat) or Moon is in the star of Sat and in his own sub (Moon) or if Moon- Saturn is found in one sign." [Page-1]2) "Besides the above, ... the following way: a) Moon in star of Sat and Sat in star of Moon b) Moon in sub of Sat and in the sub of Moon c) Moon is in the 3rd sign or in the 10th sign from Sat to Saturn's 3rd and 10th aspect over Moon" [Page-2]3) "In general, Sat in lagna, 2nd house, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house and also 11th house will give lot of troubles and delays in his life" [Page-2]4) "But Punarphoo dosha is mainly caused by the evil aspect over Moon by his (Saturn) powerful 3rd to 10th aspect and his other aspects over Moon is secondary" [Page-2,3]5) "If Sat is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Sat or if Moon is deposited in the house (Bhavas 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10) then such difficulties arise.There are a few more definitions in the 3 pages of the first article. But I could not find the exact one you have mentioned. Why did you choose the specific one you have used when there are so many in the same chapter?Now look at Page-4. Here the author says:"The Saturn in lagna indicates some obstacles, delay and dejection ..."Page-6:"The position of Sat in lagna and Moon in 7th indicates Punarphoo"Page-8,9:"Sat - Moon combination in 7th bhava... causing Punarphoo"How can anyone understand what Punarphoo is by reading this book? Please help us.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Members,> It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs...> I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ..."Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc..." and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... > Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...?> Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage-related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X...> The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. !> It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me...> Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ?> With the best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Jagadish, Good point. I will add this configuration to the existing list. Thanks & Regards, Rangarajan , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote: > Dear Dr.Rangarajan, > > Whatever you have stated is what I have also read in the book. > > Now that you are spending " Quality Time " on the subject, which I am sure is purely from the point of view of understanding with no commercial ambitions of publishing another book on the subject, May I draw your kind attention to one point which, if we miss out now could cause considerable anxiety later? - The point involved is that there are just about 5 cases (approx) where Saturn is Retro. Can you kindly include the fall out of Saturn being Retro with no impact on PP? My understanding of a planet being Retro is - > > (a) generally it tends to give the effects of next house, in transit, > (b) while in birth charts no meaning is attached, > © in Horary, we need to give it a back seat, again depending upon the context and corelation with other parameters and perhaps rightly so. > > Therefore, since the PP is being analysed at the present juncture with reference to natal chart, I thought it is prudent to include this point. This perhaps adds a new dimension to the subject. May I appeal to you to look into the issue, in totality, wherein the Retro of Saturn is addressed, since the whole issue of PP admitedly has far reaching consequences on the individual chart. > > I understand that it will cost you more time and our (say my) suggestions / critical comments thus amounts to shedding 'crocodile tears', apart from demoralising your spirit. > > Regards, > > K Jagadish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Dr.Rangarajan, I am sorry to interrup often in your R & D. I have something very urgent to inform you. You will have to forgive me if I am sidetracking the main issue. I just happened to bump upon Astrosecrets Part 2, Page 253 (3rd Edition ,2003), wherein the Chart of our Beloved Guruji has been discussed. I find that in his chart Saturn Retro is in Saturn Star and sub of Moon His 5th cusp is raising in Moon star and sub is Saturn 7th cusp is raising in Saturn star and sub is Moon First of all does this constitute to Punarphoo Dosha? If not does it amount to immense Research and innovation in Astrology? If it is PP Dosha can we stop our efforts here and go to another subject. Regards, K JagadishRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Jagadish,Good point. I will add this configuration to the existing list.Thanks & Regards,Rangarajan , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote:> Dear Dr.Rangarajan,> > Whatever you have stated is what I have also read in the book.> > Now that you are spending "Quality Time" on the subject, which I am sure is purely from the point of view of understanding with no commercial ambitions of publishing another book on the subject, May I draw your kind attention to one point which, if we miss out now could cause considerable anxiety later? - The point involved is that there are just about 5 cases (approx) where Saturn is Retro. Can you kindly include the fall out of Saturn being Retro with no impact on PP? My understanding of a planet being Retro is -> > (a) generally it tends to give the effects of next house, in transit, > (b) while in birth charts no meaning is attached, > © in Horary, we need to give it a back seat, again depending upon the context and corelation with other parameters and perhaps rightly so.> > Therefore, since the PP is being analysed at the present juncture with reference to natal chart, I thought it is prudent to include this point. This perhaps adds a new dimension to the subject. May I appeal to you to look into the issue, in totality, wherein the Retro of Saturn is addressed, since the whole issue of PP admitedly has far reaching consequences on the individual chart.> > I understand that it will cost you more time and our (say my) suggestions / critical comments thus amounts to shedding 'crocodile tears', apart from demoralising your spirit.> > Regards,> > K Jagadish India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Jagdish K Let us not complicate the study of Purnaphoo, by including SA RETRO, when KSK has definately said that it does not matter in Natal Chart. Even in Horary, research has showed that unless a Retro planet is also in stars of another Retro planet, the result is not denied. Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote: Dear Dr.Rangarajan, Whatever you have stated is what I have also read in the book. Now that you are spending "Quality Time" on the subject, which I am sure is purely from the point of view of understanding with no commercial ambitions of publishing another book on the subject, May I draw your kind attention to one point which, if we miss out now could cause considerable anxiety later? - The point involved is that there are just about 5 cases (approx) where Saturn is Retro. Can you kindly include the fall out of Saturn being Retro with no impact on PP? My understanding of a planet being Retro is - (a) generally it tends to give the effects of next house, in transit, (b) while in birth charts no meaning is attached, © in Horary, we need to give it a back seat, again depending upon the context and corelation with other parameters and perhaps rightly so. Therefore, since the PP is being analysed at the present juncture with reference to natal chart, I thought it is prudent to include this point. This perhaps adds a new dimension to the subject. May I appeal to you to look into the issue, in totality, wherein the Retro of Saturn is addressed, since the whole issue of PP admitedly has far reaching consequences on the individual chart. I understand that it will cost you more time and our (say my) suggestions / critical comments thus amounts to shedding 'crocodile tears', apart from demoralising your spirit. Regards, K JagadishRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Lajmi,Thanks for your keen interest in helping us all understand the correct definition of Punarphoo. I have with me the book "Punarphoo" (Edition 1999 - 2000) that you cite as reference. But I cannot understand from where you have taken the particular definition you are recommending. Here are some definitions I found in the same book.1) "... Sat is in the star of Moon and his own sub (Sat) or Moon is in the star of Sat and in his own sub (Moon) or if Moon- Saturn is found in one sign." [Page-1]2) "Besides the above, ... the following way: a) Moon in star of Sat and Sat in star of Moon b) Moon in sub of Sat and in the sub of Moon c) Moon is in the 3rd sign or in the 10th sign from Sat to Saturn's 3rd and 10th aspect over Moon" [Page-2]3) "In general, Sat in lagna, 2nd house, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house and also 11th house will give lot of troubles and delays in his life" [Page-2]4) "But Punarphoo dosha is mainly caused by the evil aspect over Moon by his (Saturn) powerful 3rd to 10th aspect and his other aspects over Moon is secondary" [Page-2,3]5) "If Sat is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Sat or if Moon is deposited in the house (Bhavas 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10) then such difficulties arise.There are a few more definitions in the 3 pages of the first article. But I could not find the exact one you have mentioned. Why did you choose the specific one you have used when there are so many in the same chapter?Now look at Page-4. Here the author says:"The Saturn in lagna indicates some obstacles, delay and dejection ..."Page-6:"The position of Sat in lagna and Moon in 7th indicates Punarphoo"Page-8,9:"Sat - Moon combination in 7th bhava... causing Punarphoo"How can anyone understand what Punarphoo is by reading this book? Please help us.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Members,> It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs...> I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ..."Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc..." and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... > Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...?> Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage-related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X...> The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. !> It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me...> Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ?> With the best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK ! 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Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Rangarajan, Pl. see the 3rd paragraph on p.3.(First Edition,1999-2000.) It begins thus..." The dosha is such...." Now it seems to me increasingly, than that some sort of campaogn to debunk the book or the author...or both...paticularly as it seems that very few have read the book carefully enough...! Else,how come nobody noticed,or for that matter, even mentioned (or was it deliberately ignored ), that of the total of 23 examples given...as many as 17,ie.,that 74% examples are marriage-related... and that other things in life are also affected have also been mentioned... ! ! What should/would any normal reader then conclude...? Are all definitions "one-line-definitions" in your experience...if not,then why this dogged penchant for singling out and redifining Punarphoo in a one-line definition...? Considering all the above amd the "arguments being advanced throughout by most members" strengthens my feeling that this viciouness,and single-minded purposefulness to debunk the book or the author...simply spells some sinister design...and is a tad worrying and making one feel anxious as to where are we all headed... Any way Mr.Rangarajan,I wonder what could be the reason for this single-minded onslaught and whether this is an onslaught against the book or the author(s).? Would you care to elaborate ?. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Lajmi,Thanks for your keen interest in helping us all understand the correct definition of Punarphoo. I have with me the book "Punarphoo" (Edition 1999 - 2000) that you cite as reference. But I cannot understand from where you have taken the particular definition you are recommending. Here are some definitions I found in the same book.1) "... Sat is in the star of Moon and his own sub (Sat) or Moon is in the star of Sat and in his own sub (Moon) or if Moon- Saturn is found in one sign." [Page-1]2) "Besides the above, ... the following way: a) Moon in star of Sat and Sat in star of Moon b) Moon in sub of Sat and in the sub of Moon c) Moon is in the 3rd sign or in the 10th sign from Sat to Saturn's 3rd and 10th aspect over Moon" [Page-2]3) "In general, Sat in lagna, 2nd house, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house and also 11th house will give lot of troubles and delays in his life" [Page-2]4) "But Punarphoo dosha is mainly caused by the evil aspect over Moon by his (Saturn) powerful 3rd to 10th aspect and his other aspects over Moon is secondary" [Page-2,3]5) "If Sat is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Sat or if Moon is deposited in the house (Bhavas 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10) then such difficulties arise.There are a few more definitions in the 3 pages of the first article. But I could not find the exact one you have mentioned. Why did you choose the specific one you have used when there are so many in the same chapter?Now look at Page-4. Here the author says:"The Saturn in lagna indicates some obstacles, delay and dejection ..."Page-6:"The position of Sat in lagna and Moon in 7th indicates Punarphoo"Page-8,9:"Sat - Moon combination in 7th bhava... causing Punarphoo"How can anyone understand what Punarphoo is by reading this book? Please help us.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Members,> It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs...> I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ..."Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc..." and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... > Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...?> Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage-related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X...> The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. !> It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me...> Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ?> With the best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK ! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, Thanks for your comment. Any point can be discussed, studied and an opinion formed. I do not understand the HERO and BOOK WORSHIP attitude of some members. Can anybody write a comprehensive book on Astrology. When we try to speak sense, members are snubbed at the bud. What a dirty attitude of some. What an authority? Perhaps you have mailed this before you saw Dr.Rangarajan's posting and as well mine. I suggest that we take up the matter with the Moderator and other non-biased members. Regards, K Jagadishanant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Jagdish K Let us not complicate the study of Purnaphoo, by including SA RETRO, when KSK has definately said that it does not matter in Natal Chart. Even in Horary, research has showed that unless a Retro planet is also in stars of another Retro planet, the result is not denied. Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote: Dear Dr.Rangarajan, Whatever you have stated is what I have also read in the book. Now that you are spending "Quality Time" on the subject, which I am sure is purely from the point of view of understanding with no commercial ambitions of publishing another book on the subject, May I draw your kind attention to one point which, if we miss out now could cause considerable anxiety later? - The point involved is that there are just about 5 cases (approx) where Saturn is Retro. Can you kindly include the fall out of Saturn being Retro with no impact on PP? My understanding of a planet being Retro is - (a) generally it tends to give the effects of next house, in transit, (b) while in birth charts no meaning is attached, © in Horary, we need to give it a back seat, again depending upon the context and corelation with other parameters and perhaps rightly so. Therefore, since the PP is being analysed at the present juncture with reference to natal chart, I thought it is prudent to include this point. This perhaps adds a new dimension to the subject. May I appeal to you to look into the issue, in totality, wherein the Retro of Saturn is addressed, since the whole issue of PP admitedly has far reaching consequences on the individual chart. I understand that it will cost you more time and our (say my) suggestions / critical comments thus amounts to shedding 'crocodile tears', apart from demoralising your spirit. Regards, K JagadishRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri.Lajmi,Thanks for your keen interest in helping us all understand the correct definition of Punarphoo. I have with me the book "Punarphoo" (Edition 1999 - 2000) that you cite as reference. But I cannot understand from where you have taken the particular definition you are recommending. Here are some definitions I found in the same book.1) "... Sat is in the star of Moon and his own sub (Sat) or Moon is in the star of Sat and in his own sub (Moon) or if Moon- Saturn is found in one sign." [Page-1]2) "Besides the above, ... the following way: a) Moon in star of Sat and Sat in star of Moon b) Moon in sub of Sat and in the sub of Moon c) Moon is in the 3rd sign or in the 10th sign from Sat to Saturn's 3rd and 10th aspect over Moon" [Page-2]3) "In general, Sat in lagna, 2nd house, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house and also 11th house will give lot of troubles and delays in his life" [Page-2]4) "But Punarphoo dosha is mainly caused by the evil aspect over Moon by his (Saturn) powerful 3rd to 10th aspect and his other aspects over Moon is secondary" [Page-2,3]5) "If Sat is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Sat or if Moon is deposited in the house (Bhavas 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10) then such difficulties arise.There are a few more definitions in the 3 pages of the first article. But I could not find the exact one you have mentioned. Why did you choose the specific one you have used when there are so many in the same chapter?Now look at Page-4. Here the author says:"The Saturn in lagna indicates some obstacles, delay and dejection ..."Page-6:"The position of Sat in lagna and Moon in 7th indicates Punarphoo"Page-8,9:"Sat - Moon combination in 7th bhava... causing Punarphoo"How can anyone understand what Punarphoo is by reading this book? Please help us.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Members,> It is quite surprising to note that a large number of members quote the loose definition of Punarphoo and extend its effect to marriage and related affairs,needlessly...continue to aver that this combination interferes with Marriage and related affairs...> I will RESTATE IT,(as given in the book), for the benefit of MEMBERS... to avoid needless repetition of the loose definition ..."Sat-Moon connection causes Punarphoo...etc..." and examine its effects in marriage-related affairs... > Isn't this,possibly, the direct result of an attempt at over-simplifying (to one line) the definition of Punarphoo...?> Sat in Moon's star or sub,or vice versa,constitutes Punarphoo and it will interfere with marriage-related affairs,ONLY if Sat or Moon is posited in I,III,V,VII & X...> The above is very clearly differentiated by the authors,right in the begining itself,on page 3 of the book. !> It is this repeated assualt on the book and the authors by members without having properly read and digested the definition carefully is quite distressing,atleast,to me...> Criticism is always welcome but uninformed criticism should be avoided isn't it ?> With the best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK ! 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Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Shri. Lajmi, I would like to assure you on behalf of members of this forum a) We are not at all interested in arriving at one-line definitions of anything b) We are not at all interested in attacking or condemning the author of any book c) There is no single-minded onslaught on anyone or anything, with an ulterior motive Many of us are just a bunch of enthusiastic learners of the KP system, often groping in the dark because concepts are not clear. We naturally look to seniors for help. However it must be said that many of us will not blindly accept everything that we read or hear. We tend to question when we feel that what we read or hear is not appealing to our sense of logic and reasoning. Regards, Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > Pl. see the 3rd paragraph on p.3.(First Edition,1999-2000.) > It begins thus... " The dosha is such.... " > Now it seems to me increasingly, than that some sort of campaogn to debunk the book or the author...or both...paticularly as it seems that very few have read the book carefully enough...! > Else,how come nobody noticed,or for that matter, even mentioned (or was it deliberately ignored ), that of the total of 23 examples given...as many as 17,ie.,that 74% examples are marriage-related... and that other things in life are also affected have also been mentioned... ! ! > What should/would any normal reader then conclude...? > Are all definitions " one-line- definitions " in your experience...if not,then why this dogged penchant for singling out and redifining Punarphoo in a one-line definition...? > Considering all the above amd the " arguments being advanced throughout by most members " strengthens my feeling that this viciouness,and single-minded purposefulness to debunk the book or the author...simply spells some sinister design...and is a tad worrying and making one feel anxious as to where are we all headed... > Any way Mr.Rangarajan,I wonder what could be the reason for this single-minded onslaught and whether this is an onslaught against the book or the author(s).? Would you care to elaborate ?. > With best wishes, > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 If I may, I like to respond to the following. Many of us are just a bunch of enthusiastic learners of the KP system, often groping in the dark because concepts are not clear. We naturally look to seniors for help.Some 40 years back when I started learning astrology/KP this is what I did. When I went to different astrologers for horoscope matching there were contradictory readings, and I said I cant decide the crucial question of marriage of my sisters on such contradictions. Coming from the Science stream, I said I must find out if there is truth in astrology and I tried KP, forecasting when the failed power will come, when a trunk call will materialise and so on. It all came true. More importantly I had a friend a Civil Engineer (PR Muralidharan from Mysore -I lost track of him) who was a great KP practicioner. I used to take leave for 3 days and sit with him and figure out various horoscopes for what happened and what did not according to our reading. And we did huge research, and I continue to do that on principles on individual horoscope. That is how one learns. A keen student should learn from others/other sources. But an an astrologer and a student should take the burden of proof on one's own self rather than asking some else to prove is not right. Same way about commenting. Read, understand, make your conclusions and share if you like your own findings. Over years, I have faced many guys who said prove astrology to me. My standard answer, I am not dying to prove it to you ( I know how much effort it takes) I say the best way to find the truth is to find it yourself. Comments made in good faith. Regards Seshadri Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Shri. Lajmi,I would like to assure you on behalf of members of this foruma) We are not at all interested in arriving at one-line definitions of anythingb) We are not at all interested in attacking or condemning the author of any bookc) There is no single-minded onslaught on anyone or anything, with an ulterior motiveMany of us are just a bunch of enthusiastic learners of the KP system, often groping in the dark because concepts are not clear. We naturally look to seniors for help.However it must be said that many of us will not blindly accept everything that we read or hear. We tend to question when we feel that what we read or hear is not appealing to our sense of logic and reasoning.Regards,Rangarajan , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Rangarajan,> Pl. see the 3rd paragraph on p.3.(First Edition,1999-2000.)> It begins thus..." The dosha is such...." > Now it seems to me increasingly, than that some sort of campaogn to debunk the book or the author...or both...paticularly as it seems that very few have read the book carefully enough...!> Else,how come nobody noticed,or for that matter, even mentioned (or was it deliberately ignored ), that of the total of 23 examples given...as many as 17,ie.,that 74% examples are marriage-related... and that other things in life are also affected have also been mentioned... ! !> What should/would any normal reader then conclude...?> Are all definitions "one-line-definitions" in your experience...if not,then why this dogged penchant for singling out and redifining Punarphoo in a one-line definition...?> Considering all the above amd the "arguments being advanced throughout by most members" strengthens my feeling that this viciouness,and single-minded purposefulness to debunk the book or the author...simply spells some sinister design...and is a tad worrying and making one feel anxious as to where are we all headed...> Any way Mr.Rangarajan,I wonder what could be the reason for this single-minded onslaught and whether this is an onslaught against the book or the author(s).? Would you care to elaborate ?.> With best wishes,> Yours sincerely,> L.Y.Rao.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Kanak, Thanks for your support. I did not find anything offensive in what Jagadish said in reply to my post. I will be happy if I am able to contribute meaningfully to this forum. Regards, Rangarajan , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Dr.Rangarajan, Thank you very much for confirming that there was nothing wrong in my message. Infact I was reading my own message repeatedly after Mr.Kanak mentioned. I was very much perturbed for quite some time. Without spending much time on other things, can I draw your attention on to my Msg. posted with the caption "Understanding KP System". I am sure that if you mind, very soon there can be situation wherein the whole world will be following the KP engine. Regards, K JagadishRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Kanak,Thanks for your support. I did not find anything offensive in what Jagadish said in reply to my post. I will be happy if I am able to contribute meaningfully to this forum.Regards,Rangarajan , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Rangrajan and Jagdish ji, My mail is not only for Jagdish ji. but now i dont want to go deep in this metter. regards kanak "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga To: Subject: Re: Punarphoo - StudyTue, 06 Sep 2005 14:59:41 -0000Dear Kanak,Thanks for your support. I did not find anything offensive in what Jagadish said in reply to my post. I will be happy if I am able to contribute meaningfully to this forum.Regards,Rangarajan , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear tw & Friends, My wife has the classic signature of Punarpho - a close conjunction of Moon and Saturn. In addition there is a close conjunction with Uranus. There was no delay in marriage and we have been married for 45 years with no previous marriages. I must admit that there was a separation for 1 year but this was for my wife to find herself. I find that Saturn afflicting the Moon frequently signifies emotional problems through a domineering mother or other domineering females, which was certainly the case with my wife. As Moon was also midpoint to Saturn Uranus this inflamed the natal configuration. The reading for this is 'Strong emotional tensions and strains, states of depression, inconstancy. The sudden desire to liberate oneself from emotional stress, separation from members of the female sex " . Ebertin. This was a perfect reading for my wife in her early years but after the separation she had a total about turn and learnt to overcome the negative side of her chart. She became the perfect wife, well balanced, highly thought of by everyone she meets, productive, a high flying executive in a national organization, and a tireless worker on behalf of others less fortunate. She is one of the few people I have ever met who has been able to overcome the negative aspects of a natal chart, and the early conditioning which frequently scars people for life. We have had a perfect marriage now for 25 years and the prior 20 years were possibly no worse than most marriages. Why we have been able to overcome the problems is I believe due to the fact that my Sun is exactly conjunct her Venus. Ron Gaunt On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:53:50 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Rangarajan, > >1. Ypurs is a systematically done analysis for those who understand >research work. > >2. As mentioned before, out of 100 charts with more than one >marriage in the study of KP multiple marriage rule, Punarpho appears >in 60 charts. Out of those 60 charts, age for first marriage is >available for 53 charts. In 25 out of those 53 charts, i.e. 47% >marriage is delayed which is supposed to be the same pattern in your >analysis. > >Regards, > >tw > > , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " ><ranga@m...> wrote: >> Dear Shri. Raichur, Jagadish: >> Although I am keen to come to a conclusion based on this small >> study, I am unable to because I do not see a clear pattern. >Ideally >> we should arrive at a configuration comprising some combination of >A >> thru J that is satisfied for Punarphoo and not satisfied for the >> other set. Take for example (B). This is seen in both sets of >> charts. Take the case of (E). This is better since it is satisfied >> in 3 cases in the first 16 charts and only once in the other set. >> Taken individually, we do not have any overwhelming factor that >> votes for or against Punarphoo. >> >> I think the sample size is too small to decide anything. If >members >> send me more details I will be happy to study those and post the >> results. Please indicate the following for each chart: >> a) Date, time, place, timezone, lat, longt, etc. >> b) Gender >> c) When did marriage take place? >> d) Was there some obstacle/delay? >> >> To conduct this experiment correctly we need both types of charts: >> Delay and No delay (or obstacle). >> >> Meanwhile perhaps Tin Win (who has experience in statistical >> analysis) can comment? >> >> Regards, >> Rangarajan >> >> , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> >> wrote: >> > Dear Dr.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, >> > >> > Thank you for enlightening us and reducing the misnomer about >PP. >> You have done a stupendous job, spending your valuable time and >> resources. Reward for hard work is more and more hard work! >> > >> > I am sure that you did not have the time in the last two or >three >> days to go through the Forum. I request you to see the messages >> posted by me and am eagerly awaiting your comments along with >others. >> > >> > I wonder whether it is right to seek anything further on the >> subject for analytical quantification of the data you have on hand >> although you have confirmed that 50% of the charts have no impact >of >> PP. A step further to freeze the findings I happened to go through >> http://www.answers.com/ wherein Maximum Likelihood Estimation >> formula is available. I am not too familiar in using the formula. >> Just in case you have the time, you may kindly explore. >> > >> > Various Planetary Configurations Between Saturn and Moon >(Figures >> are 'YES' mentioned in your analysis: >> > >> > A) Saturn in Moon Sign- 5 >> > B) Saturn in Moon Star - 6 >> > C) Saturn in Moon sub - 1 >> > D) Moon in Saturn sign - 6 >> > E) Moon in Saturn star - 4 >> > F) Moon in Saturn sub - 4 >> > G) Saturn and Moon in same sign - 2 >> > H) Saturn and Moon in same house - 5 >> > I) Saturn aspects Moon (Vedic) - 4 >> > J) Western aspect between Saturn and Moon - >> > >> > Is it possible for you to clarify the following points:- >> > >> > 1. From this can I understand that the least effect observed is >> from 'G' above? >> > 2. What is your personal opinion? >> > 3. Is it worth considering PP as a separate subject? >> > 4. Does it not reflect the basic delatory characteristics of >> Saturn? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > K Jagadish >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: >> > Dear Members, >> > I took 30 birth charts (some given by Shri.Raichur and others in >> this >> > forum) and looked for some connection between Sat and Moon. >> Roughly >> > 50% of the charts were of people who did not have any obstacle >or >> > delay in marriage. The results of the study are available in an >> Excel >> > file uploaded to the site. >> > >> > I invite members to comment. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Rangarajan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Visit your group " " on the web. >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Shri.Seshadri, What are your thoughts and experiences on Punarphoo? Regards, Rangarajan , Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000> wrote: > If I may, I like to respond to the following. > > Many of us are just a bunch of enthusiastic learners of the KP > system, often groping in the dark because concepts are not clear. We > naturally look to seniors for help. > > Some 40 years back when I started learning astrology/KP this is what I did. > When I went to different astrologers for horoscope matching there were contradictory readings, and I said I cant decide the crucial question of marriage of my sisters on such contradictions. > Coming from the Science stream, I said I must find out if there is truth in astrology and I tried KP, forecasting when the failed power will come, when a trunk call will materialise and so on. > It all came true. More importantly I had a friend a Civil Engineer (PR Muralidharan from Mysore -I lost track of him) who was a great KP practicioner. I used to take leave for 3 days and sit with him and figure out various horoscopes for what happened and what did not according to our reading. And we did huge research, and I continue to do that on principles on individual horoscope. That is how one learns. > A keen student should learn from others/other sources. But an an astrologer and a student should take the burden of proof on one's own self rather than asking some else to prove is not right. Same way about commenting. Read, understand, make your conclusions and share if you like your own findings. > Over years, I have faced many guys who said prove astrology to me. My standard answer, I am not dying to prove it to you ( I know how much effort it takes) I say the best way to find the truth is to find it yourself. > Comments made in good faith. > Regards > Seshadri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Kanak, You know very well that flare ups of this nature are a regular phenomenon in this group. Despite such incidents we should continue to contribute - for the cause of KP. Let us move on. Regards, Rangarajan , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Kanak ji/ Rangarajan ji, It is the nature of online discussion forums. If we will try to research, controversies will be the part of the discussion. You were the few of those people, who suggested opening up the forum. Now when we are facing such controversial situation, statements like these are very discouraging. I need support from everyone. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 9/7/05, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Kanak,You know very well that flare ups of this nature are a regularphenomenon in this group. Despite such incidents we should continue to contribute - for the cause of KP. Let us move on.Regards,Rangarajan , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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