Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Makes me want to ask the question What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the impact of having beenin a place or not. I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a differing experience. Seshadri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Sesh Krish, During the days when I first began practising K.P., I used to travel almost 20 days every month throughout M.P.,and I used to carry around my K.P books...all calculations used to be necessarily done manually,therefore I could find time to cast only 1 horary chart daily and analyse it...slowly...! Many times I have analysed the same question with the same number but at different places ex. Gwalior and Indore or Khandwa and Jabalpur...etc., and I can assure you that the results were the same for the same number,as well as with different numbers for the same question...but these were limited only to within M.P.,a large state by any means...area or distances... quite mysteriously though,I used to think to myself then...! But now I know for sure...as K.P., is based on Karma... You might await the experiences of others in this group,before finalising your own opinion on the subject...in the mean while if you get the opportunity,how about trying it out for yourself ? With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: Makes me want to ask the question What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the impact of having beenin a place or not. I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a differing experience. Seshadri India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear Seshadri, In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, I would say that location other than birth place should most certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a profound effect on your circumstances. Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the following that I posted on another List as it was not known whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. Ron Gaunt COPY In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of the Sun. Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the radical Ascendant. Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. Ron Gaunt On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >Makes me want to ask the question > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the impact of having beenin a place or not. > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a differing experience. > >Seshadri > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear Ron, Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on New-Orliens being affected by Katrina. You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point? This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect port city, but which port cities? Could we see how Mumbai was affected? BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt. In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented by Mars. The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea leval and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water would be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc. Inder , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Dear Seshadri, > > In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, > I would say that location other than birth place should most > certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations > where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a > profound effect on your circumstances. > > Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the > following that I posted on another List as it was not known > whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. > > Ron Gaunt > > > COPY > > In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and > discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it > would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of > the Sun. > > Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 > am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. > > This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the > Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on > the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the > radical Ascendant. > > Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the > Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. > Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. > Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations > a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. > > Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress > suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently > joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. > > Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > > > >Makes me want to ask the question > > > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the impact of having beenin a place or not. > > > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a differing experience. > > > >Seshadri > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear Inder, The data for the Ingress for New Orleans is 16 July 2005 1:51:02am CDT +5:00. Co-ordinates are 29N57'16 " , 090W04'30 " Ascendant is 26 Aries 07. The Ingress for Mumbai is 16 July 2005 121:21:02 pm IST -5:30 18N58, 072E50. Ascendant is 24 Virgo 53. Looking at the Mumbai Ingress you will see that almost the same scenario is taking place as at New Orleans. This time we have Sun Saturn angular at the IC, whereas it was at the MC in New Orleans. In addition Malefic Mars was angular close conjunct the Descendant, and Rahu exactly on the Descendant conjunct Mars. Neptune was again evident being close trine Ascendant. The problems don't appear to be as great in Mumbai because Jupiter is angular above the Ascendant, but is afflicted by the Nodes and is overpowered by the malefics. In addition in Mumbai the Malefic effects were receding because the malefics are transiting away from the angles. In New Orleans the effect was greater and will be longer lasting, because the malefics were transiting towards the angles. Ron Gaunt On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:16:18 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, >Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on >New-Orliens being affected by Katrina. >You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point? > >This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect >port city, but which port cities? > >Could we see how Mumbai was affected? > >BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both >places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt. >In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil >production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. >Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented by >Mars. > >The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the >city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea leval >and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water would >be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being >lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage >congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc. > >Inder > > , " rongaunt@b... au " ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> Dear Seshadri, >> >> In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, >> I would say that location other than birth place should most >> certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations >> where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a >> profound effect on your circumstances. >> >> Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the >> following that I posted on another List as it was not known >> whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. >> >> Ron Gaunt >> >> >> COPY >> >> In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and >> discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it >> would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of >> the Sun. >> >> Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 >> am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. >> >> This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the >> Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on >> the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is >> angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the >> radical Ascendant. >> >> Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the >> Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. >> Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. >> Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations >> a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. >> >> Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress >> suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently >> joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. >> >> Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. >> >> >> Ron Gaunt >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >Makes me want to ask the question >> > >> >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined >reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do >members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the >impact of having beenin a place or not. >> > >> >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the >basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including >the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a >differing experience. >> > >> >Seshadri >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear friends, Upheaval of the water mass around the world, seenas tsunami, Mumbai floods, Katrina ,are in opinion due to Saturn in watery rashi Karaka . By itself the devastation would not have been enormous,but pleasesee the planetary configuration, Rahu in pisces aspecting Jup/ketu in virgo.Rahu's trinal aspect on Saturn,Mars aspect on Saturn,Saturn;s3rd aspect on Ketu.All these planets are a perfect recipe for disaster.Sun will be entering virgo around 15th Sep , we will have Rahu's.saturn's aspect on sun/ketu. I foresee bigger problems.I have no knowledge on Mundane astrology, but commensense approach tells, not- so-happy days are ahead. Knowledgeable friends can enligthen. Regards, Satish , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Ron, > Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on > New-Orliens being affected by Katrina. > You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point? > > This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect > port city, but which port cities? > > Could we see how Mumbai was affected? > > BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both > places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt. > In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil > production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. > Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented by > Mars. > > The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the > city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea leval > and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water would > be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage > congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc. > > Inder > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > Dear Seshadri, > > > > In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, > > I would say that location other than birth place should most > > certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations > > where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a > > profound effect on your circumstances. > > > > Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the > > following that I posted on another List as it was not known > > whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > COPY > > > > In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and > > discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it > > would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of > > the Sun. > > > > Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 > > am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. > > > > This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the > > Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on > > the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > > angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the > > radical Ascendant. > > > > Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the > > Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. > > Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. > > Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations > > a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. > > > > Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress > > suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently > > joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. > > > > Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Makes me want to ask the question > > > > > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined > reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do > members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the > impact of having beenin a place or not. > > > > > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the > basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including > the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a > differing experience. > > > > > >Seshadri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear Sri Jagadish, I am diappointed with you.For a young man in the spring of life should surrender like this is not doing justice to yourself in search for knowledge.What you " know " or what you do " not know " is not anybody's business. There is only one " know-all " individual in the group,so the simple rule is ignore.People can tolerate dislike or like but not indifference. It is galling. You gave only a brief glimpse of your chart,for a Taurus man,to me this is a disappointment.Tenacity is the middle name for a Taurean,if not for anybody, atleast for astrology's/astrologer's sake like me, donot give up.We will have to " redefine " Taurean qualities,which will raise a fresh rounds of acrimonious discussions. I may have agreed with you on ,in my mind, on several issues,at the same time disagrred with you again ,in my mind,on several other issues.I have always a choice to express/not- express these observations.Charity of thought is very important,some have it others do-not. I am sure there are many who think well of you. Best wishes. Satish , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > Dear friends, > > Upheaval of the water mass around the world, seenas tsunami, Mumbai > floods, Katrina ,are in opinion due to Saturn in watery rashi Karaka . > By itself the devastation would not have been enormous,but pleasesee > the planetary configuration, Rahu in pisces aspecting Jup/ketu in > virgo.Rahu's trinal aspect on Saturn,Mars aspect on > Saturn,Saturn;s3rd aspect on Ketu.All these planets are a perfect > recipe for disaster.Sun will be entering virgo around 15th Sep , we > will have Rahu's.saturn's aspect on sun/ketu. > > I foresee bigger problems.I have no knowledge on Mundane astrology, > but commensense approach tells, not- so-happy days are ahead. > > Knowledgeable friends can enligthen. > > Regards, > > Satish > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > Dear Ron, > > Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on > > New-Orliens being affected by Katrina. > > You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point? > > > > This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect > > port city, but which port cities? > > > > Could we see how Mumbai was affected? > > > > BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both > > places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt. > > In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil > > production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. > > Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented > by > > Mars. > > > > The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the > > city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea > leval > > and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water > would > > be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > > lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage > > congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc. > > > > Inder > > > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Seshadri, > > > > > > In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, > > > I would say that location other than birth place should most > > > certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations > > > where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a > > > profound effect on your circumstances. > > > > > > Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the > > > following that I posted on another List as it was not known > > > whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > COPY > > > > > > In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and > > > discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it > > > would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of > > > the Sun. > > > > > > Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 > > > am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. > > > > > > This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the > > > Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on > > > the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > > > angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the > > > radical Ascendant. > > > > > > Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the > > > Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. > > > Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. > > > Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations > > > a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. > > > > > > Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress > > > suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently > > > joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. > > > > > > Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Makes me want to ask the question > > > > > > > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined > > reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do > > members have any experience of having studied and differentiated > the > > impact of having beenin a place or not. > > > > > > > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the > > basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including > > the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a > > differing experience. > > > > > > > >Seshadri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Jagadish ji, Satish ji & Friends, If you felt insulated or attacked or any other violation of forum guidelines, I would request you not to discuss it in the forum and just drop a direct mail to me. I assure you to take action. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 9/2/05, rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sri Jagadish,I am diappointed with you.For a young man in the spring of lifeshould surrender like this is not doing justice to yourself in search for knowledge.What you " know " or what you do " not know " is notanybody's business.There is only one " know-all " individual in the group,so the simplerule is ignore.People can tolerate dislike or like but not indifference. It is galling.You gave only a brief glimpse of your chart,for a Taurus man,to methis is a disappointment.Tenacity is the middle name for a Taurean,ifnot for anybody, atleast for astrology's/astrologer's sake like me, donot give up.We will have to " redefine " Taurean qualities,which willraise a fresh rounds of acrimonious discussions.I may have agreed with you on ,in my mind, on several issues,at thesame time disagrred with you again ,in my mind,on several other issues.I have always a choice to express/not- express theseobservations.Charity of thought is very important,some have it othersdo-not.I am sure there are many who think well of you. Best wishes. Satish , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942>wrote:> Dear friends,>> Upheaval of the water mass around the world, seenas tsunami, Mumbai> floods, Katrina ,are in opinion due to Saturn in watery rashiKaraka .> By itself the devastation would not have been enormous,butpleasesee> the planetary configuration, Rahu in pisces aspecting Jup/ketu in > virgo.Rahu's trinal aspect on Saturn,Mars aspect on> Saturn,Saturn;s3rd aspect on Ketu.All these planets are a perfect> recipe for disaster.Sun will be entering virgo around 15th Sep , we> will have Rahu' s.saturn's aspect on sun/ketu.>> I foresee bigger problems.I have no knowledge on Mundaneastrology,> but commensense approach tells, not- so-happy days are ahead.>> Knowledgeable friends can enligthen. >> Regards,>> Satish>> , " Inder " <indervohra2001>> wrote:> > Dear Ron, > > Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on> > New-Orliens being affected by Katrina.> > You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point?> > > > This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect> > port city, but which port cities?> >> > Could we see how Mumbai was affected?> >> > BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both> > places the flooding events coincided with Oil production beinghurt.> > In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil> > production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. > > Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented> by> > Mars.> >> > The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water enteringthe> > city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea> leval> > and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water> would> > be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > > lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage> > congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc.> >> > Inder> >> > , " rongaunt@b... au " > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Seshadri,> > >> > > In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, > > > I would say that location other than birth place should most> > > certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations> > > where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a > > > profound effect on your circumstances.> > >> > > Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the> > > following that I posted on another List as it was not known > > > whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans.> > >> > > Ron Gaunt> > >> > >> > > COPY> > >> > > In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and > > > discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it> > > would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of> > > the Sun.> > >> > > Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 > > > am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30.> > >> > > This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the> > > Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on > > > the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is> > > angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the> > > radical Ascendant.> > >> > > Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the> > > Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant.> > > Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune.> > > Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations > > > a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention.> > >> > > Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress> > > suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently > > > joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house.> > >> > > Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans.> > >> > >> > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Makes me want to ask the question > > > >> > > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined> > reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do> > members have any experience of having studied and differentiated > the> > impact of having beenin a place or not.> > > >> > > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary andthe> > basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including> > the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a> > differing experience.> > > >> > > >Seshadri> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protectionaround> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear Shri.Satish, It is just in the interest of so many members of the Forum. There are many points / subjects linked with Astrology, which I want to bring about. There are broader social perspectives. As all of us know Astrology is a very big commercial market. Innocent public are being grossly misled on both Yogas and Doshas. I have been behind the commercial Astrologers for quite some time. Several of them 'killed me' many times. As you know our adjacent Forums say Jupiter is a Marka for Taurus Asc with Jupiter in 7th. In Rahu Dasha when I consulted, they almost said everything bad under the Sun. They are all big authors, running Astrological magazines with National and International fame, presiding over public functions, sitting besides dignitaries. I will tell you their ability to read an horscope and give an outline, forget about predictions is extremely remote. So I started learning it myself. Recently I also predicted the birth of one child (subsequently another one too) almost to an hour's accuracy, sex and type of birth. All that in my own way using KP rules but CERTAINLY NOT BY THE RULE BOOK. I have my own way, a mix up of cuspal interlinks, stars etc., and ofcourse the position of Moon and Sun. What is the use? Would not the chiuld be born without our prediction? Astrology has to be looked at as a subject which will act as a "tension, anxiety and shock absorber". Not create fear psychosis by virtue of Doshas or hype by Yogas too. Let us look at some way of being useful to the society in general. Crooks of the lowest order are spreading shock waves in the society.One of the most UNACCOUNTABLE professions. I do not want to hurt anyone if here if he/she is a professional astrologer. Majority of them are defrauding the general public. Coming back to the subject, mere conjunctions, be it any planet/s anywhere in the zodiac, simply means nothing. Books are commercial ventures and misadventures too. They are not gospel truth nor were they written during the lifetime of the author, in most of the cases. They are a piece of information, guide, sometime tools to help decipher a chart. No chart works according to the rule book. I have very good respect for KP System. But I am sorry that I cannont resort to Hero Worship. Late Prof KSK had an unique gift of God. He tried his best to communicate to others. He did mention some guide lines whereas he had his own God given mechanisim to predict.It is humanly impossible for anyone to communicate one's own approach to a subject. If everything was there in the books, what is there to discuss. Unthinkable arrogance. In my life I took on a sitting judge openly in the Court, because he insulted me. He had no choice except to apologise. My counsel was scared, but I was not. Another occasion, I grilled the City Police Commissioner in his own chamber for one and half hours, for some reason. He could do nothing. Being right is not the issue. Whether at all we are able to be of some assistance / help to fellow beings and in what way. Some members are assuming the full authority / knowledge for themselves presuming the other man is a fool. Right in the beginning I was asked to check my horoscope whether I am destined to become a good Astrologer. He presumed that I am attempting that. Every human being is bestowed with extraordinary intelligence in particular sphere of activity. No need to condemn people left, right and center. For your information, I had the unique opportunity of discussing some point about Liquid Crystal Display with the inventor of that, who shared the Nobel Prize with an American scientist. The discussion took almost 3 hours on a Sunday and he comes upto my car door and opens the door as if he is a driver. Throughout he used to tell me "I am understanding like this, am I right?" Remarkable humility. I am totally annoyed. What are we discussing, what is the aim, what is the benefit and who gets it? Mere show of EXTREME ARROGANCE AND HE BEING RIGHT, ALL THE TIME ON EVERY ISSUE. EVEN IF THAT IS TOLERATED, NEXT ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE OTHER MEMBER IS A FOOL, A LERARNER, A BEGINNER etc. Then comes the authority, who is the authority, where, how. We are not attempting to conquer the whole world. It is high time they do a bit of introspection themselves before advising others. Then comes addressing the other member. I feel that Mr.Shri or Ji in case of Hindi speaking people should be there. Whereas some members are being addressed well. That means they are deliberately distinguishing between various catagories according to their own whims and fancies. If anyone is more knowledgable, share it with others otherwise keep quiet. Continuous display of HERO WORSHIP, BOOK WORSHIP, QUOTING RULES. The word scientific has been too ragged here. What are we talking. The chemical and physical properties of blood and a host of its ingradients have been analysed to the 4th or 5th decimal place. Can we manufacture blood? Further, in medical science, even today with all the technology at our beck and call, many vital points are assumed, presumed and believed. What should we say, is it scientific or unscientific? For that matter certain unwanted part like apendix, doctors say it is there in the process of evolution of mankind. Harnea - it is a hole in the intenstine region. Intestine is held in a sort of bag or covering. It is supposed to be filled up inside the mother's womb by the time it is ready to come out. In some cases it does not, and in some cases it gets covered but with a weak membrane. I asked the doctor why the hole there and what is the use of it or what is the function of it. ANSWER WE DO NOT KNOW. Please correct me if you know anything. IN OUR FORUM IT IS "SEEING IS BELIEVING"! I wonder how you spent Saturn Dasha as you reported. Saturn, MY GOD! He is not allowed anywhere. Our opening lecture is DON'T WORRY, LET IT BE ANY PLANET, WHOSE CONSTELLATION IT IS POSITED AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE NATIVE, is our subject. Then starts the scare. In my humble opinion, all planets work as a team and every planet has some contribution for every event, both for and against the event. However, due to lack of knowledge resources we figure out the lead planet or planets for the event. It is just not that the other planets, not discussed for the event, has closed its workshop and sleeping. How do we attempt understanding this point. Secondly, when we say the influence of a particular planet on a chart, what is the range of its activity and the expected midrange of its good vs bad. Kindly refer the WBC count example, I had cited. There was Tsunami even before it could be taken up for discussion. Sorry Sir, you may get bored reading this long mail. It is high time some people realise their duties and responsibilities. There are many things that we need to understand. I am badly looking out for chart of an animal say a pet dog or so where we are sure of the birth time. I would like to study the effect of mosted hated Saturn, whereas without his role effective contribution important events will never take place. But we seem to find a small boil and suspect that to be malignant and start biopsy and given a chance even talk about cancer too. Anything adverse in the chart anyway would show up. No need to pre-empt and start diagnosis. I am fed up with controversies. I have some good agenda and I am not allowed to proceed. Regards, K Jagadish PS: there could be some errors and spelling mistakes while typing on line. Please tolerate. rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Sri Jagadish, I am diappointed with you.For a young man in the spring of life should surrender like this is not doing justice to yourself in search for knowledge.What you "know" or what you do "not know" is not anybody's business. There is only one "know-all" individual in the group,so the simple rule is ignore.People can tolerate dislike or like but not indifference. It is galling. You gave only a brief glimpse of your chart,for a Taurus man,to me this is a disappointment.Tenacity is the middle name for a Taurean,if not for anybody, atleast for astrology's/astrologer's sake like me, donot give up.We will have to "redefine "Taurean qualities,which will raise a fresh rounds of acrimonious discussions. I may have agreed with you on ,in my mind, on several issues,at the same time disagrred with you again ,in my mind,on several other issues.I have always a choice to express/not- express these observations.Charity of thought is very important,some have it others do-not. I am sure there are many who think well of you. Best wishes. Satish , "rsatish1942" <rsatish1942> wrote:> Dear friends,> > Upheaval of the water mass around the world, seenas tsunami, Mumbai > floods, Katrina ,are in opinion due to Saturn in watery rashi Karaka .> By itself the devastation would not have been enormous,but pleasesee > the planetary configuration, Rahu in pisces aspecting Jup/ketu in > virgo.Rahu's trinal aspect on Saturn,Mars aspect on > Saturn,Saturn;s3rd aspect on Ketu.All these planets are a perfect > recipe for disaster.Sun will be entering virgo around 15th Sep , we > will have Rahu's.saturn's aspect on sun/ketu.> > I foresee bigger problems.I have no knowledge on Mundane astrology, > but commensense approach tells, not- so-happy days are ahead.> > Knowledgeable friends can enligthen.> > Regards,> > Satish> > , "Inder" <indervohra2001> > wrote:> > Dear Ron,> > Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on > > New-Orliens being affected by Katrina.> > You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point?> > > > This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect > > port city, but which port cities?> > > > Could we see how Mumbai was affected?> > > > BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both > > places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt.> > In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil > > production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring.> > Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented > by > > Mars.> > > > The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the > > city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea > leval > > and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water > would > > be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > > lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage > > congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc.> > > > Inder> > > > , "rongaunt@b... au" > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Seshadri,> > > > > > In my opinion after many years of studying this very question,> > > I would say that location other than birth place should most> > > certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations> > > where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a> > > profound effect on your circumstances. > > > > > > Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the> > > following that I posted on another List as it was not known> > > whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans.> > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > COPY> > > > > > In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and> > > discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it> > > would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of> > > the Sun.> > > > > > Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02> > > am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30.> > > > > > This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the> > > Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on> > > the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > > > angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the> > > radical Ascendant.> > > > > > Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the> > > Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant.> > > Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune.> > > Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations> > > a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention.> > > > > > Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress> > > suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently> > > joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house.> > > > > > Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans.> > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >Makes me want to ask the question> > > >> > > >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined > > reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do > > members have any experience of having studied and differentiated > the > > impact of having beenin a place or not.> > > >> > > >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the > > basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including > > the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a > > differing experience.> > > >> > > >Seshadri> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Dear Ron, Thanks, for explaining. As I myself donot understand the concept of Sun's ingress, I would try to get it from some book. Interestingly, there is one more thing commen between Mumbai and NewOrliens. That is new trend setting in MUSIC. In last fifty years really great poets, singers,and composers in Hindi fim industry changed the Indian musi scenario from deep/serious music to pop Hindi music. And this music has reached in every Indian home. Similarly, Lousiana black artists singers/composers have set new ttrends in Jazz and Pop music which changed Music scenes in America and world. Inder -- In , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > The data for the Ingress for New Orleans is 16 July 2005 > 1:51:02am CDT +5:00. Co-ordinates are 29N57'16 " , 090W04'30 " > Ascendant is 26 Aries 07. > > The Ingress for Mumbai is 16 July 2005 121:21:02 pm IST -5:30 > 18N58, 072E50. Ascendant is 24 Virgo 53. > > Looking at the Mumbai Ingress you will see that almost the same > scenario is taking place as at New Orleans. This time we have > Sun Saturn angular at the IC, whereas it was at the MC in New > Orleans. In addition Malefic Mars was angular close conjunct the > Descendant, and Rahu exactly on the Descendant conjunct Mars. > Neptune was again evident being close trine Ascendant. > The problems don't appear to be as great in Mumbai because > Jupiter is angular above the Ascendant, but is afflicted by the > Nodes and is overpowered by the malefics. In addition in > Mumbai the Malefic effects were receding because the malefics are > transiting away from the angles. In New Orleans the effect was > greater and will be longer lasting, because the malefics were > transiting towards the angles. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:16:18 -0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Ron, > >Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on > >New-Orliens being affected by Katrina. > >You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point? > > > >This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect > >port city, but which port cities? > > > >Could we see how Mumbai was affected? > > > >BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both > >places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt. > >In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil > >production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring. > >Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented by > >Mars. > > > >The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the > >city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea leval > >and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water would > >be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > >lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage > >congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc. > > > >Inder > > > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Seshadri, > >> > >> In my opinion after many years of studying this very question, > >> I would say that location other than birth place should most > >> certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations > >> where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a > >> profound effect on your circumstances. > >> > >> Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the > >> following that I posted on another List as it was not known > >> whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans. > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > >> > >> > >> COPY > >> > >> In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and > >> discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it > >> would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of > >> the Sun. > >> > >> Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02 > >> am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30. > >> > >> This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the > >> Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on > >> the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > >> angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the > >> radical Ascendant. > >> > >> Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the > >> Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant. > >> Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune. > >> Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations > >> a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention. > >> > >> Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress > >> suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently > >> joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house. > >> > >> Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans. > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >Makes me want to ask the question > >> > > >> >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined > >reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do > >members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the > >impact of having beenin a place or not. > >> > > >> >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the > >basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including > >the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a > >differing experience. > >> > > >> >Seshadri > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Dear Mr.Inder, Reg Ingress, you can try this URL http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/ingress.php I am also interested and will go through the same and other URLs. Regards, K JagadishInder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Ron,Thanks, for explaining. As I myself donot understand the concept of Sun's ingress, I would try to get it from some book.Interestingly, there is one more thing commen between Mumbai and NewOrliens. That is new trend setting in MUSIC.In last fifty years really great poets, singers,and composers in Hindi fim industry changed the Indian musi scenario from deep/serious music to pop Hindi music. And this music has reached in every Indian home.Similarly, Lousiana black artists singers/composers have set new ttrends in Jazz and Pop music which changed Music scenes in America and world.Inder-- In , "rongaunt@b... au" <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > The data for the Ingress for New Orleans is 16 July 2005> 1:51:02am CDT +5:00. Co-ordinates are 29N57'16", 090W04'30"> Ascendant is 26 Aries 07.> > The Ingress for Mumbai is 16 July 2005 121:21:02 pm IST -5:30> 18N58, 072E50. Ascendant is 24 Virgo 53.> > Looking at the Mumbai Ingress you will see that almost the same> scenario is taking place as at New Orleans. This time we have> Sun Saturn angular at the IC, whereas it was at the MC in New> Orleans. In addition Malefic Mars was angular close conjunct the> Descendant, and Rahu exactly on the Descendant conjunct Mars.> Neptune was again evident being close trine Ascendant.> The problems don't appear to be as great in Mumbai because> Jupiter is angular above the Ascendant, but is afflicted by the> Nodes and is overpowered by the malefics. In addition in> Mumbai the Malefic effects were receding because the malefics are> transiting away from the angles. In New Orleans the effect was> greater and will be longer lasting, because the malefics were> transiting towards the angles.> > > Ron Gaunt> > > On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:16:18 -0000, you wrote:> > >Dear Ron,> >Forgive me for my ignorance, I could not follow how you worked on > >New-Orliens being affected by Katrina.> >You gave coordinates of the city. What is the ascendent point?> >> >This question is quite pertinent that Saturn in Cancer may affect > >port city, but which port cities?> >> >Could we see how Mumbai was affected?> >> >BTW, there is an intersting paralel in Mumbai and NewOrliens. Both > >places the flooding events coincided with Oil production being hurt.> >In Mumbai Bombay High Oil platform was accidently hit and oil > >production suffered when the flooding/rain events were occuring.> >Oil is represented by Moon + Saturn and extraction is represented by > >Mars.> >> >The destruction in NewOrliens in more due to see water entering the > >city and less because of hurricane.NewOrliens is below the sea leval > >and damages to flood embankments will flood the city and water would > >be allmost impossible to be drain out due to level of city being > >lower than sea. Mumbai also suffered mmostly similar drainage > >congestion and innudations and less because of rains etc.> >> >Inder> >> > , "rongaunt@b... au" > ><rongaunt@b...> wrote:> >> > >> Dear Seshadri,> >> > >> In my opinion after many years of studying this very question,> >> I would say that location other than birth place should most> >> certainly be taken into account. In fact moving to locations> >> where either Benefics or Malefics are on the angles can have a> >> profound effect on your circumstances. > >> > >> Regarding Hurricane Katrina you may be interested in the> >> following that I posted on another List as it was not known> >> whether Katrina would bypass New Orleans.> >> > >> Ron Gaunt> >> > >> > >> COPY> >> > >> In view of Hurricane Katrina threatening New Orleans and> >> discussion on whether it would skirt the City, I thought that it> >> would be interesting to have a look at the relevant Ingress of> >> the Sun.> >> > >> Cancer Ingress of the Sun occurred on 16th Jul 2005 at 1:51:02> >> am CDT +5:00 New Orleans 29N57:16 090W04:30.> >> > >> This gives Malefic Saturn less than 5* from the IC conjunct the> >> Ingress Sun. Saturn is close opposition Chiron which sits on> >> the MC. Neptune an unsettling force in mundane charts, is > >> angular in the 10th and highly elevated. It also squares the> >> radical Ascendant.> >> > >> Coming forward to the current time Saturn closes in to 1* of the> >> Ingress Meridian axis and Mars comes conjunct the Ascendant.> >> Transit Mars exactly squares Ingress Neptune.> >> Mars Saturn thus forms the most dynamic of all configurations> >> a Mundane square, and is further beset by Neptune intervention.> >> > >> Whilst benefic Venus is angular in the 4th in the Ingress> >> suggesting some ameliorating factor, it moves on and currently> >> joins Jupiter in the Ingress 6th house.> >> > >> Unfortunately it does not look promising for New Orleans.> >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Makes me want to ask the question> >> >> >> >What does the group think. Some astrologers make a combined > >reading of natal horoscope and the place where you reside. Do > >members have any experience of having studied and differentiated the > >impact of having beenin a place or not.> >> >> >> >I know KP system would say this is not really necessary and the > >basic horoscope itself can be read to include all effects including > >the changed place. Yet I ask the question to see if there is a > >differing experience.> >> >> >> >Seshadri> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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