Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 I have run into cases where Saturn Moon connection has resulted in kidney problem. May be the group should investigate this. SeshadriYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, You seem to be very keen to "redifine" many definitions, for the benefit of members...however,I urge you to ensure/take care to ensure, that the "true meaning" is not lost,in this endeavour... Also,I appreciate your anxiety,in the light of the usage of the English language,as I have mentioned earlier,once before in this column. This is very commonly observed,among most authors who "think in the vernacular,and write in English,translating their thoughts literally into English,when such mistakes creep in..." I think if adequate allowance is given,while reading, these minor mistakes could be ironed out...Mr.Rangarajan,surely. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,This is in continuation of my earlier post on this subject.Page 74 of 4th Reader (Edition 2002) says:"Whenever Saturn has got any connection what-so-ever with Moon, there will be some obstacle or impediment, not only during negotiation but also at the time of fixation and even at the time of celebration of the marriage. This connection between Moon and Saturn causes delay, though ultimately both of them do much more good with a better partner."Here we see a loose definition of Punarphoo.Page 78:"If Saturn is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Saturn or if Moon is deposited in Saturn's star and Moon sub, if Saturn is deposited in 1, 3, 5, 7, and 10, then such difficulties may arise."Here I don't understand why the "sub" part is taken into consideration.Page 79:"In your horoscope and the horoscope of the girl both Moon and Saturn are conjoined together...".First I would like to enumerate the planetary configurations that might participate in Punarphoo. The actual definition can be attempted next.1) Saturn and Moon in the same house2) Saturn and Moon in the same sign3) Saturn in Moon sign4) Moon in Saturn sign5) Saturn in Moon star6) Moon in Saturn star7) Saturn in Moon sub8) Moon in Saturn sub9) Saturn aspects Moon by Vedic aspect10) There is a conjunction or aspect as per the western systemPlease feel free to add to this list or modify the list.The working definition of Punarphoo will involve some combinations of the above configurations. Just to illustrate, here is a possible definition (for convenience, I am only using item numbers from the list):Punarphoo is said to exist in a chart when the following condition is satisfied:1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 9Another important point to consider is whether could be any other cause for delay in marriage and whether that should be included in the defintion of Punarphoo. For instance what if Saturn aspects the 7th cusp, but has no connection with Moon? See the last part of Page 78 definition.Given that there is lack of clarity in the meaning of Punarphoo, I think it is wise to arrive at a consensus on the term.I request interested members to give their views.Regards,Rangarajan , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Since so much is being talked about Punarphoo, why don't we try to > arrive at a "working definition" of the term first? Let us collect and > enumerate the various definitions of the term as discussed in articles > and KP Readers and then agree upon a definition that we can use for > further study. Once this is done we can take sample horoscopes where > Punarphoo is present and check if there is/was any impact due to this > configuration. We have some members who have volunteered to give their > DOB for study, so we can use them. When we analyse 100 charts we will > have some pattern to discuss. > > I feel this study will help us in getting a more accurate picture of > Punarphoo than reading what others have said. I agree with Jagadish > that the Readers and other books on KP are generally not well written. > > Regards,> Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Dear Sesh Krish, Kindly refer to "Medical Astrology for All", based on K.P.,by K.Subramaniam,K.Balachandran and Vaikari Ramamurthy... You will get a few examples,if that is exactly what you are looking for... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: I have run into cases where Saturn Moon connection has resulted in kidney problem. May be the group should investigate this. SeshadriYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, You seem to be very keen to "redifine" many definitions, for the benefit of members...however,I urge you to ensure/take care to ensure, that the "true meaning" is not lost,in this endeavour... Also,I appreciate your anxiety,in the light of the usage of the English language,as I have mentioned earlier,once before in this column. This is very commonly observed,among most authors who "think in the vernacular,and write in English,translating their thoughts literally into English,when such mistakes creep in..." I think if adequate allowance is given,while reading, these minor mistakes could be ironed out...Mr.Rangarajan,surely. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,This is in continuation of my earlier post on this subject.Page 74 of 4th Reader (Edition 2002) says:"Whenever Saturn has got any connection what-so-ever with Moon, there will be some obstacle or impediment, not only during negotiation but also at the time of fixation and even at the time of celebration of the marriage. This connection between Moon and Saturn causes delay, though ultimately both of them do much more good with a better partner."Here we see a loose definition of Punarphoo.Page 78:"If Saturn is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Saturn or if Moon is deposited in Saturn's star and Moon sub, if Saturn is deposited in 1, 3, 5, 7, and 10, then such difficulties may arise."Here I don't understand why the "sub" part is taken into consideration.Page 79:"In your horoscope and the horoscope of the girl both Moon and Saturn are conjoined together...".First I would like to enumerate the planetary configurations that might participate in Punarphoo. The actual definition can be attempted next.1) Saturn and Moon in the same house2) Saturn and Moon in the same sign3) Saturn in Moon sign4) Moon in Saturn sign5) Saturn in Moon star6) Moon in Saturn star7) Saturn in Moon sub8) Moon in Saturn sub9) Saturn aspects Moon by Vedic aspect10) There is a conjunction or aspect as per the western systemPlease feel free to add to this list or modify the list.The working definition of Punarphoo will involve some combinations of the above configurations. Just to illustrate, here is a possible definition (for convenience, I am only using item numbers from the list):Punarphoo is said to exist in a chart when the following condition is satisfied:1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 9Another important point to consider is whether could be any other cause for delay in marriage and whether that should be included in the defintion of Punarphoo. For instance what if Saturn aspects the 7th cusp, but has no connection with Moon? See the last part of Page 78 definition.Given that there is lack of clarity in the meaning of Punarphoo, I think it is wise to arrive at a consensus on the term.I request interested members to give their views.Regards,Rangarajan , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Since so much is being talked about Punarphoo, why don't we try to > arrive at a "working definition" of the term first? Let us collect and > enumerate the various definitions of the term as discussed in articles > and KP Readers and then agree upon a definition that we can use for > further study. Once this is done we can take sample horoscopes where > Punarphoo is present and check if there is/was any impact due to this > configuration. We have some members who have volunteered to give their > DOB for study, so we can use them. When we analyse 100 charts we will > have some pattern to discuss. > > I feel this study will help us in getting a more accurate picture of > Punarphoo than reading what others have said. I agree with Jagadish > that the Readers and other books on KP are generally not well written. > > Regards,> Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Start your day with - make it your home page India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Sesh Are you sure that the kidney problem is due to SA MO connection only ? AND not due to other factors ?. Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: I have run into cases where Saturn Moon connection has resulted in kidney problem. May be the group should investigate this. SeshadriYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, You seem to be very keen to "redifine" many definitions, for the benefit of members...however,I urge you to ensure/take care to ensure, that the "true meaning" is not lost,in this endeavour... Also,I appreciate your anxiety,in the light of the usage of the English language,as I have mentioned earlier,once before in this column. This is very commonly observed,among most authors who "think in the vernacular,and write in English,translating their thoughts literally into English,when such mistakes creep in..." I think if adequate allowance is given,while reading, these minor mistakes could be ironed out...Mr.Rangarajan,surely. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,This is in continuation of my earlier post on this subject.Page 74 of 4th Reader (Edition 2002) says:"Whenever Saturn has got any connection what-so-ever with Moon, there will be some obstacle or impediment, not only during negotiation but also at the time of fixation and even at the time of celebration of the marriage. This connection between Moon and Saturn causes delay, though ultimately both of them do much more good with a better partner."Here we see a loose definition of Punarphoo.Page 78:"If Saturn is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Saturn or if Moon is deposited in Saturn's star and Moon sub, if Saturn is deposited in 1, 3, 5, 7, and 10, then such difficulties may arise."Here I don't understand why the "sub" part is taken into consideration.Page 79:"In your horoscope and the horoscope of the girl both Moon and Saturn are conjoined together...".First I would like to enumerate the planetary configurations that might participate in Punarphoo. The actual definition can be attempted next.1) Saturn and Moon in the same house2) Saturn and Moon in the same sign3) Saturn in Moon sign4) Moon in Saturn sign5) Saturn in Moon star6) Moon in Saturn star7) Saturn in Moon sub8) Moon in Saturn sub9) Saturn aspects Moon by Vedic aspect10) There is a conjunction or aspect as per the western systemPlease feel free to add to this list or modify the list.The working definition of Punarphoo will involve some combinations of the above configurations. Just to illustrate, here is a possible definition (for convenience, I am only using item numbers from the list):Punarphoo is said to exist in a chart when the following condition is satisfied:1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 9Another important point to consider is whether could be any other cause for delay in marriage and whether that should be included in the defintion of Punarphoo. For instance what if Saturn aspects the 7th cusp, but has no connection with Moon? See the last part of Page 78 definition.Given that there is lack of clarity in the meaning of Punarphoo, I think it is wise to arrive at a consensus on the term.I request interested members to give their views.Regards,Rangarajan , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Since so much is being talked about Punarphoo, why don't we try to > arrive at a "working definition" of the term first? Let us collect and > enumerate the various definitions of the term as discussed in articles > and KP Readers and then agree upon a definition that we can use for > further study. Once this is done we can take sample horoscopes where > Punarphoo is present and check if there is/was any impact due to this > configuration. We have some members who have volunteered to give their > DOB for study, so we can use them. When we analyse 100 charts we will > have some pattern to discuss. > > I feel this study will help us in getting a more accurate picture of > Punarphoo than reading what others have said. I agree with Jagadish > that the Readers and other books on KP are generally not well written. > > Regards,> Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Start your day with - make it your home page --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dears Raichur & Sesh, I would like to once again,refer you both, to the excellent publication "Medical Astrology for All" authored by M/s K.Subramaniam,K.Balachandran & Vaikari Ramamurthy... Where combinations for various diseases are very elaborately dealt with,along with some very illustrative examples...and deseases caused by the various planets appearing as the s/l of the VIth etc., are all discussed at fair length... (A few years ago, I had astrologically diagnosed 'Cancer of the Uterus',using K.P,Horary Method., and refering to this book,and conveyed it to a client in the US,a few years ago...The person in question found it difficult to believe me,as none of the top consultants in the US,she was examined by, even hinted at such a probability,she and continued taking treatment for "pain in the lower abdomen, without any relief,finally she came to Mumbai on a private visit,and when she visited the Tata Memorial Cancer Hospital at Parel,it was confirmed... and she was commended for coming early enough before the Cancer could spread...I did not send this for publication in the K.P. and Astrological Magazine ...as she did not permit it...) Also, a perusal of this book will,I am very confident, answer all questions on K,.P. & Diseases of the various parts of the body... and answer questions on diseases caused by Sat or Moon,separately and or in combination...etc... Just mentioning that a combination of Sat and Moon gave rise to a certain disease is not correct and could be even misleading,particularly when learned people have worked on this subject, and Published a Book ...the entire chart and the VIth cusp needs to be studied very carefully...etc... As I have already suggested several times,a query should give complete details a few scanty details cannot be enough to answer such queries... It is suggested that all K.P. followers peruse this book so as to avoid such questions to be asked, and that too with scanty data... I did not want to this experience of mine with members earlier, as my client had forbidden me to... However,for the benefit of all,very briefly, the following stepwise method should be followed to diagnose a disease... 1) First examine the VIth cusp,sign,star,sub and confirm whether the s/l is connected to the lagna. 2) Whether the disease is fatal is told by the s/l of the VIIIth cusp... 3) Next, the nature of the disease is told by the significators of the VIth house and the s/l of the VIth house... 4) Finally if the s/l of the VIth is a strong significator of I V & XI only then is a cure issured...! 5) Reading this book is highly recommended... With regards and best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Sesh Are you sure that the kidney problem is due to SA MO connection only ? AND not due to other factors ?. Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: I have run into cases where Saturn Moon connection has resulted in kidney problem. May be the group should investigate this. SeshadriYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, You seem to be very keen to "redifine" many definitions, for the benefit of members...however,I urge you to ensure/take care to ensure, that the "true meaning" is not lost,in this endeavour... Also,I appreciate your anxiety,in the light of the usage of the English language,as I have mentioned earlier,once before in this column. This is very commonly observed,among most authors who "think in the vernacular,and write in English,translating their thoughts literally into English,when such mistakes creep in..." I think if adequate allowance is given,while reading, these minor mistakes could be ironed out...Mr.Rangarajan,surely. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,This is in continuation of my earlier post on this subject.Page 74 of 4th Reader (Edition 2002) says:"Whenever Saturn has got any connection what-so-ever with Moon, there will be some obstacle or impediment, not only during negotiation but also at the time of fixation and even at the time of celebration of the marriage. This connection between Moon and Saturn causes delay, though ultimately both of them do much more good with a better partner."Here we see a loose definition of Punarphoo.Page 78:"If Saturn is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Saturn or if Moon is deposited in Saturn's star and Moon sub, if Saturn is deposited in 1, 3, 5, 7, and 10, then such difficulties may arise."Here I don't understand why the "sub" part is taken into consideration.Page 79:"In your horoscope and the horoscope of the girl both Moon and Saturn are conjoined together...".First I would like to enumerate the planetary configurations that might participate in Punarphoo. The actual definition can be attempted next.1) Saturn and Moon in the same house2) Saturn and Moon in the same sign3) Saturn in Moon sign4) Moon in Saturn sign5) Saturn in Moon star6) Moon in Saturn star7) Saturn in Moon sub8) Moon in Saturn sub9) Saturn aspects Moon by Vedic aspect10) There is a conjunction or aspect as per the western systemPlease feel free to add to this list or modify the list.The working definition of Punarphoo will involve some combinations of the above configurations. Just to illustrate, here is a possible definition (for convenience, I am only using item numbers from the list):Punarphoo is said to exist in a chart when the following condition is satisfied:1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 9Another important point to consider is whether could be any other cause for delay in marriage and whether that should be included in the defintion of Punarphoo. For instance what if Saturn aspects the 7th cusp, but has no connection with Moon? See the last part of Page 78 definition.Given that there is lack of clarity in the meaning of Punarphoo, I think it is wise to arrive at a consensus on the term.I request interested members to give their views.Regards,Rangarajan , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Since so much is being talked about Punarphoo, why don't we try to > arrive at a "working definition" of the term first? Let us collect and > enumerate the various definitions of the term as discussed in articles > and KP Readers and then agree upon a definition that we can use for > further study. Once this is done we can take sample horoscopes where > Punarphoo is present and check if there is/was any impact due to this > configuration. We have some members who have volunteered to give their > DOB for study, so we can use them. When we analyse 100 charts we will > have some pattern to discuss. > > I feel this study will help us in getting a more accurate picture of > Punarphoo than reading what others have said. I agree with Jagadish > that the Readers and other books on KP are generally not well written. > > Regards,> Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Start your day with - make it your home page --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear LYRAO Thank you for asking me and others to study the publication "Medical Astrology for all" I have the book, but have not studied it, as I am not a professional, and when some clients do come with health problems, I just check up wether cure is forseen, wether, the Dasa Lords show hospitalisation etc., and advise them to go to a MEDICAL Specialist. good luck Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dears Raichur & Sesh, I would like to once again,refer you both, to the excellent publication "Medical Astrology for All" authored by M/s K.Subramaniam,K.Balachandran & Vaikari Ramamurthy... Where combinations for various diseases are very elaborately dealt with,along with some very illustrative examples...and deseases caused by the various planets appearing as the s/l of the VIth etc., are all discussed at fair length... (A few years ago, I had astrologically diagnosed 'Cancer of the Uterus',using K.P,Horary Method., and refering to this book,and conveyed it to a client in the US,a few years ago...The person in question found it difficult to believe me,as none of the top consultants in the US,she was examined by, even hinted at such a probability,she and continued taking treatment for "pain in the lower abdomen, without any relief,finally she came to Mumbai on a private visit,and when she visited the Tata Memorial Cancer Hospital at Parel,it was confirmed... and she was commended for coming early enough before the Cancer could spread...I did not send this for publication in the K.P. and Astrological Magazine ...as she did not permit it...) Also, a perusal of this book will,I am very confident, answer all questions on K,.P. & Diseases of the various parts of the body... and answer questions on diseases caused by Sat or Moon,separately and or in combination...etc... Just mentioning that a combination of Sat and Moon gave rise to a certain disease is not correct and could be even misleading,particularly when learned people have worked on this subject, and Published a Book ...the entire chart and the VIth cusp needs to be studied very carefully...etc... As I have already suggested several times,a query should give complete details a few scanty details cannot be enough to answer such queries... It is suggested that all K.P. followers peruse this book so as to avoid such questions to be asked, and that too with scanty data... I did not want to this experience of mine with members earlier, as my client had forbidden me to... However,for the benefit of all,very briefly, the following stepwise method should be followed to diagnose a disease... 1) First examine the VIth cusp,sign,star,sub and confirm whether the s/l is connected to the lagna. 2) Whether the disease is fatal is told by the s/l of the VIIIth cusp... 3) Next, the nature of the disease is told by the significators of the VIth house and the s/l of the VIth house... 4) Finally if the s/l of the VIth is a strong significator of I V & XI only then is a cure issured...! 5) Reading this book is highly recommended... With regards and best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Sesh Are you sure that the kidney problem is due to SA MO connection only ? AND not due to other factors ?. Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote: I have run into cases where Saturn Moon connection has resulted in kidney problem. May be the group should investigate this. SeshadriYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Rangarajan, You seem to be very keen to "redifine" many definitions, for the benefit of members...however,I urge you to ensure/take care to ensure, that the "true meaning" is not lost,in this endeavour... Also,I appreciate your anxiety,in the light of the usage of the English language,as I have mentioned earlier,once before in this column. This is very commonly observed,among most authors who "think in the vernacular,and write in English,translating their thoughts literally into English,when such mistakes creep in..." I think if adequate allowance is given,while reading, these minor mistakes could be ironed out...Mr.Rangarajan,surely. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao.Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Members,This is in continuation of my earlier post on this subject.Page 74 of 4th Reader (Edition 2002) says:"Whenever Saturn has got any connection what-so-ever with Moon, there will be some obstacle or impediment, not only during negotiation but also at the time of fixation and even at the time of celebration of the marriage. This connection between Moon and Saturn causes delay, though ultimately both of them do much more good with a better partner."Here we see a loose definition of Punarphoo.Page 78:"If Saturn is deposited in the constellation of Moon and sub of Saturn or if Moon is deposited in Saturn's star and Moon sub, if Saturn is deposited in 1, 3, 5, 7, and 10, then such difficulties may arise."Here I don't understand why the "sub" part is taken into consideration.Page 79:"In your horoscope and the horoscope of the girl both Moon and Saturn are conjoined together...".First I would like to enumerate the planetary configurations that might participate in Punarphoo. The actual definition can be attempted next.1) Saturn and Moon in the same house2) Saturn and Moon in the same sign3) Saturn in Moon sign4) Moon in Saturn sign5) Saturn in Moon star6) Moon in Saturn star7) Saturn in Moon sub8) Moon in Saturn sub9) Saturn aspects Moon by Vedic aspect10) There is a conjunction or aspect as per the western systemPlease feel free to add to this list or modify the list.The working definition of Punarphoo will involve some combinations of the above configurations. Just to illustrate, here is a possible definition (for convenience, I am only using item numbers from the list):Punarphoo is said to exist in a chart when the following condition is satisfied:1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 9Another important point to consider is whether could be any other cause for delay in marriage and whether that should be included in the defintion of Punarphoo. For instance what if Saturn aspects the 7th cusp, but has no connection with Moon? See the last part of Page 78 definition.Given that there is lack of clarity in the meaning of Punarphoo, I think it is wise to arrive at a consensus on the term.I request interested members to give their views.Regards,Rangarajan , "Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> wrote:> Dear Members,> Since so much is being talked about Punarphoo, why don't we try to > arrive at a "working definition" of the term first? Let us collect and > enumerate the various definitions of the term as discussed in articles > and KP Readers and then agree upon a definition that we can use for > further study. Once this is done we can take sample horoscopes where > Punarphoo is present and check if there is/was any impact due to this > configuration. We have some members who have volunteered to give their > DOB for study, so we can use them. When we analyse 100 charts we will > have some pattern to discuss. > > I feel this study will help us in getting a more accurate picture of > Punarphoo than reading what others have said. I agree with Jagadish > that the Readers and other books on KP are generally not well written. > > Regards,> Rangarajan India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com Start your day with - make it your home page --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Go to http://.shaadi.com --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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