Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear Punitji, Re your observation,on family happenings some years ago,I shall revert after speaking to the father.In the meantime your prediction on marriage time/type of partner would be most welcome,as well from other esteemed friends of the group. Regards, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Punit ji, > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for > our practical study. > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble " only a > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example for > others. > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > Satish. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > Tw ji, > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > understanding > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > happy married > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, > just to > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or > sudden > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > chart. > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our > unforeseen > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination of > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule whatsoever > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be a > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride > with > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > thanks > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> > wrote: > > > > Friends, > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > (Punit: > > > native > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) / > > > damaged > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > milk. If one > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both will > be > > > damaged. > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > artificial > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect is > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's > > > effect is > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's > > > effect goes. > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be decided > by > > > the shape > > > > of the eye. > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, > Moon- > > > Saturn > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be enjoyed > > > by his > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression. > > > Person will not > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with > some > > > western > > > > > principles- > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > chnaged > > > in the KP > > > > > system. > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but > > > littele > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > results- > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP > > > system - > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > ignored. > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own > > > merits / > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different > parts > > > of the > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends > on > > > the nature > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are > > > grouped in a > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - > > > because the KP > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its > sign > > > lord / star > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 > > > degrees in > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute > study > > > they go to > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > priniciples of that > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts > in KP > > > system - > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can > be > > > formed - > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > discussion > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know > > > that bphs is > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i > m > > > including > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > group " <> " > > > > > on the web. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Satish ji, I have already responded. Please check message number 5975 (/message/5975) Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 8/29/05, rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Punitji,Re your observation,on family happenings some years ago,I shallrevert after speaking to the father.In the meantime your predictionon marriage time/type of partner would be most welcome,as well fromother esteemed friends of the group.Regards,Satish , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:> Dear Punit ji,>> 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> our practical study.> > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble " onlya> learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give examplefor> others.>> 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more> about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> Satish.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>>>> -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Tw ji,> > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> understanding> > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> happy married> > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> just to> > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or> sudden> > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > chart.> > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> unforeseen> > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >> > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punit,> > >> > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combinationof> > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > >> > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rulewhatsoever> > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may bea> > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> with> > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > thanks> > > to her arrangement.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>> wrote:> > > > Friends,> > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > (Punit:> > > native> > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > > damaged> > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > milk. If one> > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of bothwill> be> > > damaged.> > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > artificial> > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effectis> > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect is > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect goes.> > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will bedecided> by > > > the shape> > > > of the eye.> > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> Moon-> > > Saturn > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will beenjoyed > > > by his> > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > > Person will not> > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with> some> > > western> > > > > principles-> > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> chnaged> > > in the KP > > > > > system.> > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -but> > > littele> > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > results-> > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > > system -> > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > ignored.> > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > shodasavarga,> > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it'sown> > > merits /> > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> parts > > > of the> > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chartdepends> on> > > the nature> > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > > grouped in a> > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > > because the KP > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its> sign> > > lord / star> > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30> > > degrees in> > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> study> > > they go to> > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > priniciples of that> > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts> in KP> > > system -> > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rulescan > be> > > formed -> > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:> > > > >> > > > > helllo members,> > > > >> > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > discussion> > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > >> > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, iknow > > > that bphs is> > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology soi> m> > > including> > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > > blood.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > >> > > > > tarun > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > >< http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > ><http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > - Visit your> > > group " < > " > > > > > on the web.> > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear List I have now corrected the Birth time to 12,.15,30 This gives the ASC sub as MERC. Merc in the chart is conjunct with SUN (rapt). So it can act as sun. So withis time I will work further. Regarding SAT+MOON . In the present case I do not consider this as Punrphoo, as Moon Lords do not have saturn, Nor Saturn,s Lords shown Moon amongst them. The girl is just 23 years old ,and In these days, it is not considered as DELAYED marriage.. I will post the chart and analysis with 12,15,30 as Birth Timee later. Good Luck Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Satish ji, I have already responded. Please check message number 5975 (/message/5975) Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 8/29/05, rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Punitji,Re your observation,on family happenings some years ago,I shallrevert after speaking to the father.In the meantime your predictionon marriage time/type of partner would be most welcome,as well fromother esteemed friends of the group.Regards,Satish , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear Punit ji,>> 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> our practical study.>> 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "onlya> learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give examplefor> others.>> 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more> about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> Satish.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>>>> -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Tw ji,> > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> understanding> > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> happy married> > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> just to> > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or> sudden> > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > chart.> > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> unforeseen> > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >> > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punit,> > >> > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combinationof> > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > >> > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rulewhatsoever> > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may bea> > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> with> > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > thanks> > > to her arrangement.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>> wrote:> > > > Friends,> > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > (Punit:> > > native> > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > > damaged> > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > milk. If one> > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of bothwill> be> > > damaged.> > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > artificial> > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effectis> > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect is > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect goes.> > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will bedecided> by> > > the shape> > > > of the eye.> > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> Moon-> > > Saturn > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will beenjoyed > > > by his> > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > > Person will not> > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with> some> > > western> > > > > principles-> > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> chnaged> > > in the KP> > > > > system.> > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -but> > > littele> > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > results-> > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > > system -> > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > ignored.> > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > shodasavarga,> > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it'sown> > > merits /> > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> parts> > > of the> > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chartdepends> on> > > the nature> > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > > grouped in a> > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > > because the KP > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its> sign> > > lord / star> > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of30> > > degrees in> > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> study> > > they go to> > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > priniciples of that> > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts> in KP> > > system -> > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rulescan> be> > > formed -> > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:> > > > >> > > > > helllo members,> > > > >> > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > discussion> > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > >> > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, iknow > > > that bphs is> > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology soi> m> > > including> > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > > blood.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > >> > > > > tarun > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > >< http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > ><http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ! 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, 1. I'm grateful to you for sharing your KP experience with practical analysis. I'm here to learn KP practically and to practically contribute something for the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK. I can learn Vedic, SA etc in other groups from direct presentations of respective gurus like Sajay Rath, VK Choudhry etc and from various appropriate books other than here-say endless talking. 2. After looking at plenty of already studied Punarpho charts as mentioned in Msg#5902 and 61 charts with Punarpho out of 100 charts with more than one marriage in the study of KP multimarriage rule, the girl's chart given by Satish seems interesting to get members' views because it seems marriage is not promised or even denied as mentioned by Punit and Kanak as well as by 4-step theory in my understanding. Since his initial analysis is perfectly correct, I believe Punit will give his further analysis. 3. For the corrected TOB 12:15:30 pm the 7CSL is same Venus as for TOB 12:17 pm. Here is an interesting point, which may make the marriage is promised, is whether Rahu's aspect to Mars can be taken in signification of Rahu as star lord of Venus. It's also crucial for the possibility of marriage in current Rahu maha dasa and otherwise indication of 11th only in 4th step against significators of marriage denial. As mentioned in Msg#3317, such kind of Jupiter- like Rahu's aspects are not found in KP Readers and very rare in KP literature except applied by Dr. Kar, Prof. Balachandran, Dr. Bal Krishna Singh Hatia but widely applied by Sanjay Rath, VK Choudhry and others including some KPs. 4. One more interesting point you've mentioned is that my understanding of finding Moon-Sturn in one sign is not enough to be Punarpho. 5. I'm looking forward to learn those points practically from your coming analysis. 6. One more request, could you kindly share just your main finding in Matching of Charts for Marriage (based on 115 charts of married couples) in Journal of Astrology Vol. 22 July-September 2002. Thanks and highest regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear List > > I have now corrected the Birth time to 12,.15,30 > > This gives the ASC sub as MERC. Merc in the chart is conjunct with SUN (rapt). So it > > can act as sun. So withis time I will work further. > > Regarding SAT+MOON . In the present case I do not consider this as Punrphoo, as Moon > > Lords do not have saturn, Nor Saturn,s Lords shown Moon amongst them. > > The girl is just 23 years old ,and In these days, it is not considered as DELAYED marriage.. > > I will post the chart and analysis with 12,15,30 as Birth Timee later. > > Good Luck > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Satish ji, > > I have already responded. Please check message number 5975 (/message/5975) > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 8/29/05, rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: Dear Punitji, > > Re your observation,on family happenings some years ago,I shall > revert after speaking to the father.In the meantime your prediction > on marriage time/type of partner would be most welcome,as well from > other esteemed friends of the group. > > Regards, > Satish > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for > > our practical study. > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble " only > a > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example > for > > others. > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > more > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > Satish. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Tw ji, > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > understanding > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > happy married > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, > > just to > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or > > sudden > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > > chart. > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our > > unforeseen > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough > to > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination > of > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > whatsoever > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be > a > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride > > with > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > thanks > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > Friends, > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > (Punit: > > > > native > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) / > > > > damaged > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > > milk. If one > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > will > > be > > > > damaged. > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > > artificial > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect > is > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's > > > > effect is > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's > > > > effect goes. > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > decided > > by > > > > the shape > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, > > Moon- > > > > Saturn > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > enjoyed > > > > by his > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression. > > > > Person will not > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with > > some > > > > western > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > chnaged > > > > in the KP > > > > > > system. > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - > but > > > > littele > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > > results- > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP > > > > system - > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > ignored. > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's > own > > > > merits / > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different > > parts > > > > of the > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > depends > > on > > > > the nature > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - > > > > because the KP > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its > > sign > > > > lord / star > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of > 30 > > > > degrees in > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute > > study > > > > they go to > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts > > in KP > > > > system - > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules > can > > be > > > > formed - > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > discussion > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i > know > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so > i > > m > > > > including > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > group " < > " > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear TIN WIN and members I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still a student of the 4 step method. > other esteemed friends of the group.> > Regards,> Satish> > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> > our practical study.> >> > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "only> a> > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example> for> > others.> >> > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > more> > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > Satish.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> >> >> > -- In , Punit Pandey wrote:> > > Tw ji,> > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > understanding> > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > happy married> > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> > just to> > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or> > sudden> > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > > chart.> > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> > unforeseen> > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Punit,> > > >> > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough > to> > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination> of> > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > >> > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> whatsoever> > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be> a> > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> > with> > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > thanks> > > > to her arrangement.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > , Punit Pandey > > wrote:> > > > > Friends,> > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > (Punit:> > > > native> > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > > > damaged> > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > > milk. If one> > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> will> > be> > > > damaged.> > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > > artificial> > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect> is> > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > > effect is > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > > effect goes.> > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> decided> > by> > > > the shape> > > > > of the eye.> > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> > Moon-> > > > Saturn > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> enjoyed > > > > by his> > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > > > Person will not> > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with> > some> > > > western> > > > > > principles-> > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > chnaged> > > > in the KP> > > > > > system.> > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -> but> > > > littele> > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > > results-> > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > > > system -> > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > ignored.> > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's> own> > > > merits /> > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> > parts> > > > of the> > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> depends> > on> > > > the nature> > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > > > grouped in a> > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > > > because the KP > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its> > sign> > > > lord / star> > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of> 30> > > > degrees in> > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> > study> > > > they go to> > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts> > in KP> > > > system -> > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules> can> > be> > > > formed -> > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > >> > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > discussion> > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > >> > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i> know > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so> i> > m> > > > including> > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > > > blood.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > tarun > > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > >> < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > - Visit your> > > > group ""> > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear TIN WIN and members I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still a student of the 4 step method. I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. Best read with NEW Corierr Font size 10 > > , "tw853" wrote:> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> > our practical study.> >> > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "only> a> > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example> for> > others.> >> > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > more> > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > Satish.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> >> >> > -- In , Punit Pandey wrote:> > > Tw ji,> > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > understanding> > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > happy married> > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> > just to> > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or> > sudden> > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > > chart.> > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> > unforeseen> > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Punit,> > > >> > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough > to> > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination> of> > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > >> > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> whatsoever> > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be> a> > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> > with> > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > thanks> > > > to her arrangement.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > > , Punit Pandey > > wrote:> > > > > Friends,> > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > (Punit:> > > > native> > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > > > damaged> > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > > milk. If one> > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> will> > be> > > > damaged.> > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > > artificial> > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect> is> > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > > effect is > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > > effect goes.> > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> decided> > by> > > > the shape> > > > > of the eye.> > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> > Moon-> > > > Saturn > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> enjoyed > > > > by his> > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > > > Person will not> > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with> > some> > > > western> > > > > > principles-> > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > chnaged> > > > in the KP> > > > > > system.> > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -> but> > > > littele> > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > > results-> > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > > > system -> > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > ignored.> > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's> own> > > > merits /> > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> > parts> > > > of the> > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> depends> > on> > > > the nature> > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > > > grouped in a> > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > > > because the KP > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its> > sign> > > > lord / star> > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of> 30> > > > degrees in> > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> > study> > > > they go to> > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts> > in KP> > > > system -> > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules> can> > be> > > > formed -> > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > >> > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > discussion> > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > >> > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i> know > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so> i> > m> > > > including> > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > > > blood.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > tarun > > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > >> < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > - Visit your> > > > group ""> > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it is not possible to open- Attachment(not stored) 250782.ZIP Type: application/x-zip-compressed Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear TIN WIN and members > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still > > a student of the 4 step method. > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. Best read with NEW Corierr > > Font size 10 > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for > > > our practical study. > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > humble " only > > a > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example > > for > > > others. > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > more > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > Satish. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > wrote: > > > > Tw ji, > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > understanding > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > financial > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > happy married > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, > > > just to > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft > or > > > sudden > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > year's > > > chart. > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our > > > unforeseen > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > enough > > to > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > combination > > of > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able > to > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > whatsoever > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may > be > > a > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride > > > with > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > > thanks > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > (Punit: > > > > > native > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > else) / > > > > > damaged > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > poison in > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > will > > > be > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like > an > > > > > artificial > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > effect > > is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's > > > > > effect is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > decided > > > by > > > > > the shape > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, > > > Moon- > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > enjoyed > > > > > by his > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > depression. > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > with > > > some > > > > > western > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > chnaged > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - > > but > > > > > littele > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at > the > > > > > results- > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in > KP > > > > > system - > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > > ignored. > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's > > own > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different > > > parts > > > > > of the > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > depends > > > on > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets > are > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > etc., - > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > its > > > sign > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span > of > > 30 > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute > > > study > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > charts > > > in KP > > > > > system - > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules > > can > > > be > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA > IN > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i > > know > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology > so > > i > > > m > > > > > including > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related > to > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > group " < > " > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, I got it thanks to Bala Sosale. Highest regards, Tin Win , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it > is not possible to open- > > > Attachment(not stored) > 250782.ZIP > Type: > application/x-zip-compressed > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > Tin Win > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble " only > > > a > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > example > > > for > > > > others. > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > > understanding > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > > happy married > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows, > > > > just to > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or > > > > sudden > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart. > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our > > > > unforeseen > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination > > > of > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > whatsoever > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be > > > a > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride > > > > with > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > native > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) / > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect > > > is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > decided > > > > by > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them, > > > > Moon- > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression. > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with > > > > some > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > > chnaged > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse - > > > but > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's > > > own > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different > > > > parts > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., - > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > > > its > > > > sign > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of > > > 30 > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute > > > > study > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts > > > > in KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules > > > can > > > > be > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i > > > know > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so > > > i > > > > m > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > group " < > > " > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 a file 250782.doc has been uploaded in the file section . good lucktw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it is not possible to open- Attachment(not stored) 250782.ZIP Type: application/x-zip-compressed Thanks and highest regards,Tin Win , anant raichur wrote:> Dear TIN WIN and members> > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up> > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still> > a student of the 4 step method.> > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. Best read with NEW Corierr> > Font size 10> > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > Dear Punit ji,> > >> > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> > > our practical study.> > >> > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > humble "only> > a> > > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example> > for> > > others.> > >> > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > more> > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > > Satish.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > wrote:> > > > Tw ji,> > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > > understanding> > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > financial > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > > happy married> > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> > > just to> > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft > or> > > sudden> > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > year's > > > chart.> > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> > > unforeseen> > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > >> > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > enough > > to> > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > combination> > of> > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able > to> > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > >> > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> > whatsoever> > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may > be> > a> > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> > > with> > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > > thanks> > > > > to her arrangement.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > (Punit:> > > > > native> > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > else) /> > > > > damaged> > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > poison in > > > > > milk. If one> > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> > will> > > be> > > > > damaged.> > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like > an > > > > > artificial> > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > effect> > is> > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's> > > > > effect is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's> > > > > effect goes.> > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> > decided> > > by> > > > > the shape> > > > > > of the eye.> > > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> > > Moon-> > > > > Saturn > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> > enjoyed > > > > > by his> > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > depression.> > > > > Person will not> > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > with> > > some> > > > > western> > > > > > > principles-> > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > > chnaged> > > > > in the KP> > > > > > > system.> > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -> > but> > > > > littele> > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at > the > > > > > results-> > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in > KP> > > > > system -> > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > > ignored.> > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's> > own> > > > > merits /> > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> > > parts> > > > > of the> > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> > depends> > > on> > > > > the nature> > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets > are> > > > > grouped in a> > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > etc., -> > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited -> its> > > sign> > > > > lord / star> > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span > of> > 30> > > > > degrees in> > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> > > study> > > > > they go to> > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > charts> > > in KP> > > > > system -> > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules> > can> > > be> > > > > formed -> > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA > IN> > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i> > know > > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology > so> > i> > > m> > > > > including> > > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related > to> > > > > blood.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > >> > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Visit your> > > > > group "< >"> > > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Mr,Raichur, Am sending alongwith the corrected BC and my analysis...for your comments pl. With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear List I have now corrected the Birth time to 12,.15,30 This gives the ASC sub as MERC. Merc in the chart is conjunct with SUN (rapt). So it can act as sun. So withis time I will work further. Regarding SAT+MOON . In the present case I do not consider this as Punrphoo, as Moon Lords do not have saturn, Nor Saturn,s Lords shown Moon amongst them. The girl is just 23 years old ,and In these days, it is not considered as DELAYED marriage.. I will post the chart and analysis with 12,15,30 as Birth Timee later. Good Luck Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Satish ji, I have already responded. Please check message number 5975 (/message/5975) Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 8/29/05, rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Punitji,Re your observation,on family happenings some years ago,I shallrevert after speaking to the father.In the meantime your predictionon marriage time/type of partner would be most welcome,as well fromother esteemed friends of the group.Regards,Satish , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear Punit ji,>> 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> our practical study.>> 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "onlya> learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give examplefor> others.>> 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more> about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> Satish.>> Thanks and regards,>> tw>>>> -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Tw ji,> > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> understanding> > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> happy married> > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> just to> > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or> sudden> > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's > chart.> > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> unforeseen> > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >> > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punit,> > >> > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combinationof> > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > >> > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rulewhatsoever> > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may bea> > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> with> > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > thanks> > > to her arrangement.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>> wrote:> > > > Friends,> > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > (Punit:> > > native> > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > > damaged> > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in > > > milk. If one> > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of bothwill> be> > > damaged.> > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an > > > artificial> > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effectis> > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect is > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > > effect goes.> > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will bedecided> by> > > the shape> > > > of the eye.> > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> Moon-> > > Saturn > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will beenjoyed > > > by his> > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > > Person will not> > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with> some> > > western> > > > > principles-> > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> chnaged> > > in the KP> > > > > system.> > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -but> > > littele> > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > > > results-> > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > > system -> > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > ignored.> > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > shodasavarga,> > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it'sown> > > merits /> > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> parts> > > of the> > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chartdepends> on> > > the nature> > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > > grouped in a> > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > > because the KP > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its> sign> > > lord / star> > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of30> > > degrees in> > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> study> > > they go to> > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > priniciples of that> > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts> in KP> > > system -> > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rulescan> be> > > formed -> > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:> > > > >> > > > > helllo members,> > > > >> > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > discussion> > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > >> > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, iknow > > > that bphs is> > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology soi> m> > > including> > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > > blood.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > >> > > > > tarun > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > >< http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > ><http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ! 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Sh Raichurji, You have given excellant analysis. I have one confusion: You said that Rahu is main signficator of 11th house. Could you please explain how. Satish can clarify the correction of timings by physical features of the native. Ketu being sublord in Venus star gives native Gemini characterstics. Mercury being sublord in star of Saturn gives Virgo characterstics. Gemini+Venus :Middle staure, good humoured, fair complexion, sociable, plurity of intersts etc. Saturn+Virgo : Tall, thin, cautious, reserved, worried, depressed, intutive, etc. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > a file 250782.doc has been uploaded in the file section . > > good luck > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it > is not possible to open- > > > Attachment(not stored) > 250782.ZIP > Type: > application/x-zip-compressed > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > Tin Win > > > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble " only > > > a > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > example > > > for > > > > others. > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > > understanding > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > > happy married > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows, > > > > just to > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or > > > > sudden > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart. > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our > > > > unforeseen > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination > > > of > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > whatsoever > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be > > > a > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride > > > > with > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > native > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) / > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect > > > is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > decided > > > > by > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them, > > > > Moon- > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression. > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with > > > > some > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > > chnaged > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse - > > > but > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's > > > own > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different > > > > parts > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., - > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > > > its > > > > sign > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of > > > 30 > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute > > > > study > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts > > > > in KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules > > > can > > > > be > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i > > > know > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so > > > i > > > > m > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > group " < > > " > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Inder See the 4 step of Rahu. In the last step Sun is the star lord of sub. Sun owns 11th, and 11 is empty, so Sun signifies 11 fully, SO RAHU becomes significator of 11th. Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Sh Raichurji,You have given excellant analysis.I have one confusion: You said that Rahu is main signficator of 11th house. Could you please explain how.Satish can clarify the correction of timings by physical features of the native.Ketu being sublord in Venus star gives native Gemini characterstics.Mercury being sublord in star of Saturn gives Virgo characterstics.Gemini+Venus :Middle staure, good humoured, fair complexion, sociable, plurity of intersts etc.Saturn+Virgo : Tall, thin, cautious, reserved, worried, depressed, intutive, etc.Inder , anant raichur wrote:> a file 250782.doc has been uploaded in the file section .> > good luck> > tw853 wrote:> Dear Sri Raichur,> > Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it > is not possible to open- > > > Attachment(not stored) > 250782.ZIP > Type: > application/x-zip-compressed > > > Thanks and highest regards,> > Tin Win> > > > , anant raichur > wrote:> > Dear TIN WIN and members> > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up> > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still> > > > a student of the 4 step method.> > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr> > > > Font size 10> > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > >> > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for> > > > our practical study.> > > >> > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble "only> > > a> > > > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give > example> > > for> > > > others.> > > >> > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more> > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > > > Satish.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote:> > > > > Tw ji,> > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > > > understanding> > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > > > happy married> > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows,> > > > just to> > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or> > > > sudden> > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart.> > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our> > > > unforeseen> > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to> > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination> > > of> > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to> > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> > > whatsoever> > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be> > > a> > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride> > > > with> > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got> > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks> > > > > > to her arrangement.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit:> > > > > > native> > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) /> > > > > > damaged> > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one> > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> > > will> > > > be> > > > > > damaged.> > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial> > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect> > > is> > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's> > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's> > > > > > effect goes.> > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> > > decided> > > > by> > > > > > the shape> > > > > > > of the eye.> > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them,> > > > Moon-> > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his> > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression.> > > > > > Person will not> > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with> > > > some> > > > > > western> > > > > > > > principles-> > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -> > > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > > > chnaged> > > > > > in the KP> > > > > > > > system.> > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse -> > > but> > > > > > littele> > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results-> > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP> > > > > > system -> > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored.> > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's> > > own> > > > > > merits /> > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different> > > > parts> > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> > > depends> > > > on> > > > > > the nature> > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are> > > > > > grouped in a> > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., -> > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited -> > > its> > > > sign> > > > > > lord / star> > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of> > > 30> > > > > > degrees in> > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute> > > > study> > > > > > they go to> > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts> > > > in KP> > > > > > system -> > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules> > > can> > > > be> > > > > > formed -> > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN> > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i> > > know > > > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so> > > i> > > > m> > > > > > including> > > > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to> > > > > > blood.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > >> > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Visit your> > > > > > group " >"> > > > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Raichurji, YYes , very correct. Thanks. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Inder > See the 4 step of Rahu. In the last step Sun is the star lord of sub. Sun owns 11th, and 11 > is empty, so Sun signifies 11 fully, SO RAHU becomes significator of 11th. > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Sh Raichurji, > You have given excellant analysis. > I have one confusion: You said that Rahu is main signficator of 11th > house. Could you please explain how. > > Satish can clarify the correction of timings by physical features of > the native. > Ketu being sublord in Venus star gives native Gemini characterstics. > > Mercury being sublord in star of Saturn gives Virgo characterstics. > > Gemini+Venus :Middle staure, good humoured, fair complexion, > sociable, plurity of intersts etc. > > Saturn+Virgo : Tall, thin, cautious, reserved, worried, depressed, > intutive, etc. > > Inder > > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > a file 250782.doc has been uploaded in the file section . > > > > good luck > > > > tw853 wrote: > > Dear Sri Raichur, > > > > Thank you. Could you kindly post it in the file section because it > > is not possible to open- > > > > > > Attachment(not stored) > > 250782.ZIP > > Type: > > application/x-zip-compressed > > > > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > wrote: > > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. > using > > the 4 step method. > > > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > > find more easy to check up > > > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT > file. > > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > > for > > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > > humble " only > > > > a > > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > > example > > > > for > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a > little > > > > more > > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned > by > > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to > my > > > > > understanding > > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > > financial > > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not > enjoy > > > > > happy married > > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > > follows, > > > > > just to > > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > > theft > > > or > > > > > sudden > > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > > year's > > > > > chart. > > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her > mind > > our > > > > > unforeseen > > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > > combination > > > > of > > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > > able > > > to > > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > > whatsoever > > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > > may > > > be > > > > a > > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in > Vaikari > > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > > bride > > > > > with > > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with > Punarpho > > got > > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > > sister > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind > horse > > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > > else) / > > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > > poison in > > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of > both > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > > like > > > an > > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > > effect > > > > is > > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > > decided > > > > > by > > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > > them, > > > > > Moon- > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > > enjoyed > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > > depression. > > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, > loss > > of > > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP > system > > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is > blended > > > with > > > > > some > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has > not > > > > > chnaged > > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > > confuse - > > > > but > > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > > at > > > the > > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > > in > > > KP > > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > > is > > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > > it's > > > > own > > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > > different > > > > > parts > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > > depends > > > > > on > > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > > planets > > > are > > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > > etc., - > > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is > posited - > > > > > its > > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > > span > > > of > > > > 30 > > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > > minute > > > > > study > > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all > the > > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > > charts > > > > > in KP > > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > > rules > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > > TATWA > > > IN > > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part > in > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per > BPHS, > > i > > > > know > > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > > astrology > > > so > > > > i > > > > > m > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > > related > > > to > > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > > group " < > > > " > > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Shri Raichur, 1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's. 2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1-8- 3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not promised. 4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 & 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51) 5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the death of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second marriage since first marriage is not promised. 6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi) 7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader IV page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60) 8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12- 10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11). 9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. (KP Reder IV page 195) 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for marriage in current Rahu maha dasa. Thanks and highest regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear TIN WIN and members > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still > > a student of the 4 step method. > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. Best read with NEW Corierr > > Font size 10 > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for > > > our practical study. > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > humble " only > > a > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example > > for > > > others. > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > more > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > Satish. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > wrote: > > > > Tw ji, > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > understanding > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > financial > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > happy married > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, > > > just to > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft > or > > > sudden > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > year's > > > chart. > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our > > > unforeseen > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > enough > > to > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > combination > > of > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able > to > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > whatsoever > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may > be > > a > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride > > > with > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > > thanks > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > (Punit: > > > > > native > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > else) / > > > > > damaged > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > poison in > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > will > > > be > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like > an > > > > > artificial > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > effect > > is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's > > > > > effect is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > decided > > > by > > > > > the shape > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, > > > Moon- > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > enjoyed > > > > > by his > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > depression. > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > with > > > some > > > > > western > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > chnaged > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - > > but > > > > > littele > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at > the > > > > > results- > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in > KP > > > > > system - > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > > ignored. > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's > > own > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different > > > parts > > > > > of the > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > depends > > > on > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets > are > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > etc., - > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > its > > > sign > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span > of > > 30 > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute > > > study > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > charts > > > in KP > > > > > system - > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules > > can > > > be > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA > IN > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i > > know > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology > so > > i > > > m > > > > > including > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related > to > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > group " < > " > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Tin Win, Good analysis! Regards, Rangarajan , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Shri Raichur, > > 1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's. > > 2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1- 8- > 3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page > 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; > Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). > > 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not promised. > > 4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. (KP > Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 & > 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51) > > 5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to > happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the death > of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the > 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second > marriage since first marriage is not promised. > > 6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second > marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be > promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; > Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year > Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi) > > 7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars > signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader IV > page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60) > > 8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12- > 10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11). > > 9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. > (KP Reder IV page 195) > > 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second > marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for marriage > in current Rahu maha dasa. > > Thanks and highest regards, > > tw > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > wrote: > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble " only > > > a > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > example > > > for > > > > others. > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > > understanding > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > > happy married > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows, > > > > just to > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or > > > > sudden > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart. > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our > > > > unforeseen > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination > > > of > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > whatsoever > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be > > > a > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride > > > > with > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > native > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) / > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect > > > is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > decided > > > > by > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them, > > > > Moon- > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression. > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with > > > > some > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > > chnaged > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse - > > > but > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's > > > own > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different > > > > parts > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., - > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > > > its > > > > sign > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of > > > 30 > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute > > > > study > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts > > > > in KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules > > > can > > > > be > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i > > > know > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so > > > i > > > > m > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > group " < > > " > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear TIN WIN ONE has to consider only the Pricipal Signification (marked P) in the 4 steps under each planet; When we see for Venus, the sl of 7th, one will get principal houses signified as: 9,10,12: you are right there is PS for 2,7,11. However since there is no Pricipal Signification to 6 (negation of marriage) and 7th sub indicates 2 marriages, ALSO as secondary signifacation is to 4 and 5 (both empty house), I considered marriage as possible. I may be wrong. I have sent a copy of the analysis to shri gondhalekar., the orignator of the 4 step He has not replied. If you can contact him , and ask his opinion, I will accept it. Good luck tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur,1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's.2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not promised.4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 & 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51)5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the death of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second marriage since first marriage is not promised.6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi)7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader IV page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60)8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12-10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11).9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. (KP Reder IV page 195) 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for marriage in current Rahu maha dasa. Thanks and highest regards,tw , anant raichur wrote:> Dear TIN WIN and members> > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using the 4 step method. > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I find more easy to check up> > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there are no mistakes. I am still> > a student of the 4 step method.> > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. Best read with NEW Corierr> > Font size 10> > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > Dear Punit ji,> > >> > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for> > > our practical study.> > >> > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > humble "only> > a> > > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example> > for> > > others.> > >> > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > more> > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > > Satish.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > wrote:> > > > Tw ji,> > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > > understanding> > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > financial > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > > happy married> > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,> > > just to> > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft > or> > > sudden> > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > year's > > > chart.> > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our> > > unforeseen> > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > >> > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > enough > > to> > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > combination> > of> > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able > to> > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > >> > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> > whatsoever> > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may > be> > a> > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride> > > with> > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister > > > thanks> > > > > to her arrangement.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > (Punit:> > > > > native> > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > else) /> > > > > damaged> > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > poison in > > > > > milk. If one> > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> > will> > > be> > > > > damaged.> > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like > an > > > > > artificial> > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > effect> > is> > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's> > > > > effect is > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > Saturn's> > > > > effect goes.> > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> > decided> > > by> > > > > the shape> > > > > > of the eye.> > > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,> > > Moon-> > > > > Saturn > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> > enjoyed > > > > > by his> > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > depression.> > > > > Person will not> > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of > > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > with> > > some> > > > > western> > > > > > > principles-> > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > > chnaged> > > > > in the KP> > > > > > > system.> > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -> > but> > > > > littele> > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at > the > > > > > results-> > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in > KP> > > > > system -> > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is > > > ignored.> > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's> > own> > > > > merits /> > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different> > > parts> > > > > of the> > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> > depends> > > on> > > > > the nature> > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer- > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets > are> > > > > grouped in a> > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > etc., -> > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited -> its> > > sign> > > > > lord / star> > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span > of> > 30> > > > > degrees in> > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute> > > study> > > > > they go to> > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > charts> > > in KP> > > > > system -> > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules> > can> > > be> > > > > formed -> > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA > IN> > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i> > know > > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology > so> > i> > > m> > > > > including> > > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related > to> > > > > blood.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > >> > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Visit your> > > > > group ""> > > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Shri Raichur, Your analysis of 4-step method is absolutely correct and consistent with th previous original posting in the file section. It's interesting for academic purpose that I've got different KP results. Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear TIN WIN > > ONE has to consider only the Pricipal Signification (marked P) in the 4 steps under each > > planet; > > When we see for Venus, the sl of 7th, one will get principal houses signified as: > > 9,10,12: you are right there is PS for 2,7,11. However since there is no Pricipal Signification > > to 6 (negation of marriage) and 7th sub indicates 2 marriages, ALSO as secondary signifacation is to 4 and 5 (both empty house), I considered marriage as possible. > > I may be wrong. > > I have sent a copy of the analysis to shri gondhalekar., the orignator of the 4 step > > He has not replied. If you can contact him , and ask his opinion, I will accept it. > > Good luck > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear Shri Raichur, > > 1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's. > > 2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1-8- > 3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page > 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; > Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). > > 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not promised. > > 4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. (KP > Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 & > 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51) > > 5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to > happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the death > of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the > 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second > marriage since first marriage is not promised. > > 6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second > marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be > promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; > Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year > Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi) > > 7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars > signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader IV > page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60) > > 8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12- > 10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11). > > 9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. > (KP Reder IV page 195) > > 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second > marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for marriage > in current Rahu maha dasa. > > Thanks and highest regards, > > tw > > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble " only > > > a > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > example > > > for > > > > others. > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote: > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my > > > > understanding > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy > > > > happy married > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows, > > > > just to > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or > > > > sudden > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart. > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our > > > > unforeseen > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination > > > of > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > whatsoever > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be > > > a > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride > > > > with > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > native > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) / > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect > > > is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > decided > > > > by > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them, > > > > Moon- > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression. > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with > > > > some > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not > > > > chnaged > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse - > > > but > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's > > > own > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different > > > > parts > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., - > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - > > > its > > > > sign > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of > > > 30 > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute > > > > study > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts > > > > in KP > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules > > > can > > > > be > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i > > > know > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so > > > i > > > > m > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > group " < > > " > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear TIN WIN Thanks. However, we could ask shree satish, who knows the father of the girl, to a get a HORARY Number, from the girl re. her marriage. This will be a check on the workings. good lucktw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur,Your analysis of 4-step method is absolutely correct and consistent with th previous original posting in the file section. It's interesting for academic purpose that I've got different KP results.Thanks and highest regards,Tin Win , anant raichur wrote:> Dear TIN WIN> > ONE has to consider only the Pricipal Signification (marked P) in the 4 steps under each > > planet; > > When we see for Venus, the sl of 7th, one will get principal houses signified as:> > 9,10,12: you are right there is PS for 2,7,11. However since there is no Pricipal Signification> > to 6 (negation of marriage) and 7th sub indicates 2 marriages, ALSO as secondary signifacation is to 4 and 5 (both empty house), I considered marriage as possible.> > I may be wrong. > > I have sent a copy of the analysis to shri gondhalekar., the orignator of the 4 step> > He has not replied. If you can contact him , and ask his opinion, I will accept it.> > Good luck> > > tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur,> > 1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's.> > 2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1-8-> 3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page > 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; > Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). > > 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not promised.> > 4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. (KP > Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 & > 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51)> > 5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to > happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the death > of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the > 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second > marriage since first marriage is not promised.> > 6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second > marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be > promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; > Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year > Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi)> > 7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars > signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader IV > page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60)> > 8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12-> 10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11).> > 9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. > (KP Reder IV page 195) > > 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second > marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for marriage > in current Rahu maha dasa. > > Thanks and highest regards,> > tw> > > , anant raichur > wrote:> > Dear TIN WIN and members> > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. using > the 4 step method. > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > find more easy to check up> > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > are no mistakes. I am still> > > > a student of the 4 step method.> > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT file. > Best read with NEW Corierr> > > > Font size 10> > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > >> > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > for> > > > our practical study.> > > >> > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > humble "only> > > a> > > > learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give > example> > > for> > > > others.> > > >> > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little > > > more> > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by> > > > Satish.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > wrote:> > > > > Tw ji,> > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my> > > > understanding> > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > financial > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy> > > > happy married> > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > follows,> > > > just to> > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > theft > > or> > > > sudden> > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > year's > > > > chart.> > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind > our> > > > unforeseen> > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > enough > > > to> > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > combination> > > of> > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > able > > to> > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule> > > whatsoever> > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > may > > be> > > a> > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > bride> > > > with> > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho > got> > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > sister > > > > thanks> > > > > > to her arrangement.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse > > > > (Punit:> > > > > > native> > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > else) /> > > > > > damaged> > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > poison in > > > > > > milk. If one> > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both> > > will> > > > be> > > > > > damaged.> > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > like > > an > > > > > > artificial> > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > effect> > > is> > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's> > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > Saturn's> > > > > > effect goes.> > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be> > > decided> > > > by> > > > > > the shape> > > > > > > of the eye.> > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > them,> > > > Moon-> > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be> > > enjoyed > > > > > > by his> > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > depression.> > > > > > Person will not> > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss > of > > > > > > eyesight, Cross> > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended > > with> > > > some> > > > > > western> > > > > > > > principles-> > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -> > > > > > benefic/malefis and> > > > > > > > the timing of events -> > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not> > > > chnaged> > > > > > in the KP> > > > > > > > system.> > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > confuse -> > > but> > > > > > littele> > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > at > > the > > > > > > results-> > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > in > > KP> > > > > > system -> > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > is > > > > ignored.> > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > > > > > shodasavarga,> > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > it's> > > own> > > > > > merits /> > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > different> > > > parts> > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart> > > depends> > > > on> > > > > > the nature> > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > planets > > are> > > > > > grouped in a> > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., -> > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited -> > > its> > > > sign> > > > > > lord / star> > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > span > > of> > > 30> > > > > > degrees in> > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > minute> > > > study> > > > > > they go to> > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > > > > > priniciples of that> > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > charts> > > > in KP> > > > > > system -> > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > rules> > > can> > > > be> > > > > > formed -> > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > TATWA > > IN> > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, > i> > > know > > > > > > that bphs is> > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > astrology > > so> > > i> > > > m> > > > > > including> > > > > > > > that thing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > related > > to> > > > > > blood.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > >> > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Visit your> > > > > > group " >"> > > > > > > > on the web.> > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dear TW, Yes ,as Sh Raichur says ,if we can get a horary number, we may get some more clues. But manytimes horary also throws similar complexity as there were in natal chart. Coming to the natal chart and your analysis, Sometimes, marriage indications are very dim, and the marriage is also occurs for short duration. Here, in the chart, Rahu represents Mercury, and Mercury in close conjunction with 11th lord Sun gives a weak thread of hope. Similarly sublord of Rahu is Moon which sinifies Sun[ by being in its star]. Although Sun in 10th snatches hopes of marrage but as lord of 11th it can give. Moreover, conjunction of Rahu and Venus is in 9th house [neutral for marriage] but still bhgyasthana[ parental efforts]. Venus in sub of Saturn [strong significator of 12th] shows denial, but it can also mean separation after marriage occured. Inder , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear TIN WIN > Thanks. However, we could ask shree satish, who knows the father of the girl, to a > > get a HORARY Number, from the girl re. her marriage. This will be a check on the > > workings. > > good luck > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear Shri Raichur, > > Your analysis of 4-step method is absolutely correct and consistent > with th previous original posting in the file section. It's > interesting for academic purpose that I've got different KP results. > > Thanks and highest regards, > > Tin Win > > > > , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear TIN WIN > > > > ONE has to consider only the Pricipal Signification (marked P) in > the 4 steps under each > > > > planet; > > > > When we see for Venus, the sl of 7th, one will get principal > houses signified as: > > > > 9,10,12: you are right there is PS for 2,7,11. However since > there is no Pricipal Signification > > > > to 6 (negation of marriage) and 7th sub indicates 2 marriages, > ALSO as secondary signifacation is to 4 and 5 (both empty house), I > considered marriage as possible. > > > > I may be wrong. > > > > I have sent a copy of the analysis to shri gondhalekar., the > orignator of the 4 step > > > > He has not replied. If you can contact him , and ask his opinion, > I will accept it. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichur, > > > > 1. KP results of mine are different from 4-step theory's. > > > > 2. 7CSL Venus signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 and Stl of 7CSL Rahu 9-1- 8- > > 3-6-10-12 (KP Reader III 1984, Part I, p. 123/ 2004 edition,page > > 130; KP Reader V page 123; KP Reader VI page 187, 212, 274 & 276; > > Msg#1832 by tw; Msg#3231 by Shri Raichur). > > > > 3. Since no signification of 2 or 7 or 11, marriage is not > promised. > > > > 4. Because of signification of 1,6,10 & 12, marriage is denied. > (KP > > Reader IV, 1984, page 105 & 145; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol II page 16 > & > > 109; Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 29 & 51) > > > > 5. If one has to have second marriage, first marriage has to > > happen. In general, second marriage comes off either after the > death > > of the first wife or after legal divorce. In the present case, the > > 7CSL in dual Gemini is not a sufficient indicator for second > > marriage since first marriage is not promised. > > > > 6. Moreover, for the second part of twin conditions for second > > marriage, 7CSL or Stl of 7CSL does not signify 2 or 11 house to be > > promised for second marriage. (KP Reader VI, 1978 page 165; > > Astrosecrets & KP, Vol III page 52 & 116; C.V. Tyagarajan, KP Year > > Book 2000 page 18, Msg#608 by HJ Mehta & 830 by Lajmi) > > > > 7. But for another condition for second marriage, 2CSL Mars > > signifies 7 house to be promised for second marriage. (KP Reader > IV > > page 184; Udaychandra Vaidya, KP Year Book 2002 page 60) > > > > 8. Current dasa lord Rahu signifies 9-1-8-3-6-10-12 (Sub Moon: 12- > > 10) and does not indicate possible marriage (2 or 7 or 11). > > > > 9. No Bhukti lord can offer a result if dasa lord does not permit. > > (KP Reder IV page 195) > > > > 8. In conclusion, marriage is not promised, even denied, second > > marriage or plurality is not promised, and no prospect for > marriage > > in current Rahu maha dasa. > > > > Thanks and highest regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , anant raichur > > wrote: > > > Dear TIN WIN and members > > > > > > I have analysed the chart of the girl born on 25 july 1982. > using > > the 4 step method. > > > > > > The chart is North Stle,used in in parts of North India. This I > > find more easy to check up > > > > > > conjunctions, borderline of planets etc. > > > > > > I have tried to give reasons for my conclusions, and hope there > > are no mistakes. I am still > > > > > > a student of the 4 step method. > > > > > > I have attached the Zip file. Please open it to get the TXT > file. > > Best read with NEW Corierr > > > > > > Font size 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting > > for > > > > > our practical study. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your > > > humble " only > > > > a > > > > > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give > > example > > > > for > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a > little > > > > more > > > > > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned > by > > > > > Satish. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Punit Pandey > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Tw ji, > > > > > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to > my > > > > > understanding > > > > > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and > > > financial > > > > > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not > enjoy > > > > > happy married > > > > > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as > > follows, > > > > > just to > > > > > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon - > > > > > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight. > > > > > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the > > theft > > > or > > > > > sudden > > > > > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this > > > year's > > > > > chart. > > > > > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her > mind > > our > > > > > unforeseen > > > > > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > > > > > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind > > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the > > > combination > > > > of > > > > > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be > > able > > > to > > > > > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule > > > > whatsoever > > > > > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it > > may > > > be > > > > a > > > > > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in > Vaikari > > > > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his > > bride > > > > > with > > > > > > > her lover at the first night but the native with > Punarpho > > got > > > > > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful > > sister > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > to her arrangement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga - > > > > > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind > horse > > > > > (Punit: > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something > > > else) / > > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ > > > poison in > > > > > > > milk. If one > > > > > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of > both > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > damaged. > > > > > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act > > like > > > an > > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon > > > effect > > > > is > > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > effect is > > > > > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > effect goes. > > > > > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be > > > > decided > > > > > by > > > > > > > the shape > > > > > > > > of the eye. > > > > > > > > In case of Benefic combination - > > > > > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with > > them, > > > > > Moon- > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help. > > > > > > > > In case of Malefic combination - > > > > > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be > > > > enjoyed > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and > > > depression. > > > > > > > Person will not > > > > > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, > loss > > of > > > > > > > eyesight, Cross > > > > > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu < csr162002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Taarun and all members > > > > > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP > system > > > > > > > > > Kp system to be understood as - > > > > > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is > blended > > > with > > > > > some > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > principles- > > > > > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > > > > > > > benefic/malefis and > > > > > > > > > the timing of events - > > > > > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has > not > > > > > chnaged > > > > > > > in the KP > > > > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do > > confuse - > > > > but > > > > > > > littele > > > > > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive > > at > > > the > > > > > > > results- > > > > > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best > > in > > > KP > > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system > > is > > > > > ignored. > > > > > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > > > > > > > shodasavarga, > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > > > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc., > > > > > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has > > it's > > > > own > > > > > > > merits / > > > > > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and > > different > > > > > parts > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > > > depends > > > > > on > > > > > > > the nature > > > > > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the > > Astrologer- > > > > > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where > > planets > > > are > > > > > > > grouped in a > > > > > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > > etc., - > > > > > > > because the KP > > > > > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is > posited - > > > > > its > > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord / star > > > > > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a > > span > > > of > > > > 30 > > > > > > > degrees in > > > > > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for > > minute > > > > > study > > > > > > > they go to > > > > > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system - > > > > > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all > the > > > > > > > priniciples of that > > > > > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems. > > > > > > > > > My idea is to tell --- > > > > > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading > > > charts > > > > > in KP > > > > > > > system - > > > > > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward > > rules > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > > formed - > > > > > > > > > each chart to be studied independently - > > > > > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI > > TATWA > > > IN > > > > > > > OTHER SYSTEMS > > > > > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > > > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES. > > > > > > > > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helllo members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part > in > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per > BPHS, > > i > > > > know > > > > > > > that bphs is > > > > > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian > > astrology > > > so > > > > i > > > > > m > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > that thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease > > related > > > to > > > > > > > blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > < http://us.rd./evt=34442/*http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your > > > > > > > group " < > > > " > > > > > > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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