saturn+ moon

August 25, 2005

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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August 25, 2005

dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

Kp system to be understood as -

1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu.

~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote:

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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August 26, 2005

Dear Tarun,

Excuse me, Group, to say very sorry for Tarun.

1. Saravali by Kalyana Varma

12. MOON-SATURN YOGA. Should the Moon and Saturn be together, the

native will possess a decayed wife, be dear to public, will breed

elephants and horses, be devoid of virtues, be under the control of

others, unwealthy and defeated.

2. Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 61

11. Moon-Saturn: Born of a widow remarried, attached to an old

woman, given to pleasure of the flesh, bereft of grace, wealth and

valour, tends horses and elephants.

--------------

Additional features from the Manasagari: Moon-Saturn conjunction

destroys wealth, health, as well as near and dear ones.

3. What is said in Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra, in which Chapter?

It can't be found easily.

Regards,

tw

, ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:

>

> helllo members,

>

> due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

>

> saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that

bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i

m including that thing.

>

> the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

>

> Thanks

>

> tarun

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

August 26, 2005

If it is of help, here is my birth data. I have moon, saturn, Jupiter, mercury all conjunct. Sun slightly distant.

DOB :06.05.1940

TOB: 8.32 AM

Place Kumbakonam

Tamil Nadu

You can use me as case study and ask any questions that you may have.

Best regards,

Seshadritw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Tarun, Excuse me, Group, to say very sorry for Tarun.1. Saravali by Kalyana Varma12. MOON-SATURN YOGA. Should the Moon and Saturn be together, the native will possess a decayed wife, be dear to public, will breed elephants and horses, be devoid of virtues, be under the control of others, unwealthy and defeated. 2. Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 6111. Moon-Saturn: Born of a widow remarried, attached to an old woman, given to pleasure of the flesh, bereft of grace, wealth and valour, tends horses and elephants.----------------------------Additional features from the Manasagari: Moon-Saturn conjunction destroys wealth, health, as well as near and dear ones.3. What is said in Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra, in which Chapter? It can't be found

easily.Regards,tw , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:> > helllo members,> > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.> > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.> > Thanks> > tarun> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

August 26, 2005

Dear rao chitturu,

1. For " seeing is believing " and clear understanding of your " VIEWS

AND EXPERIENSES " and also for the benefit of KP learners like me,

could you be kind enough to practically demonstrate your expertise

of BPHS and KP (in your understanding) for the question of timing of

marriage for the chart given below.

2. It has been mentioned many times in this forum that two out of

three KP pillars are the constellation Zodiac of Hindu Astrology and

the idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious unequal

Vimsottari propotion attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara,

hailed as father of Hindu Astrology. And the third pillar is the

Western Placidian cusps. However, credit goes to Guruji KSK for

simple grouping of houses with rationale and clear application of

sub theory which revolutionizes the prediction portion in KP.

3. Since Tarun is not yet responding, it is highly apreciated if you

could tell me what is written in The Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra

of Rishi Parashara(which is the basic foundation and structure of

Vedic astrology and most of the other Sashtras are based on this)

about combination of Saturn & Moon (Punarpho as per KP) because I

can't find it easily in BPHS and what is found in " Saravali by

Kalyana Varma " and " Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 61 "

are entirely contradicting what Tarun is saying " saturn+ moon

creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS "

Thanks and regards,

tw

KPAstro 2.1

FEMALE (Satish)

Sunday, 25/Jul/1982

Time: 12:17:00 PM

Place: MUMBAI-CHEMBUR

India

Latitude: 19:03:00 N

Longitude: 72:54:00 E

Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24 "

SID: 07:49:13

Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4

Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 6 M, 23 D

Su 08:29:16 Cn

Mo 08:44:43 Vi

Ma 01:21:58 Li

Me 08:24:56 Cn

Ju 08:01:04 Li

Ve 12:00:48 Ge

Sa 23:04:37 Vi

Ra 18:47:27 Ge

Ke 18:47:27 Sg

Fo 02:26:48 Sg

I 02:11:21 Li

II 01:34:00 Sc

III 01:22:48 Sg

IV 01:49:13 Cp

V 03:02:06 Aq

VI 03:48:19 Pi

VII 02:11:21 Ar

VIII 01:34:00 Ta

IX 01:22:48 Ge

X 01:49:13 Cn

XI 03:02:06 Le

XII 03:48:19 Vi

Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Su

Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra

Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju

Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve

Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve

Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra

Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa

Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me

Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa

Fo Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Sa

Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

1 Chitra(3) Ve Ma Ke Ma

2 Visakha(4) Ma Ju Ra Ra

3 Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Mo

4 U.Ashada(2) Sa Su Ju Me

5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Ve Ve

6 U.Bhadra(1) Ju Sa Sa Me

7 Aswini(1) Ma Ke Ve Ju

8 Krittika(2) Ve Su Ju Sa

9 Mrigasira(3) Me Ma Me Ju

10 Punarvasu(4) Mo Ju Ra Ju

11 Magha(1) Su Ke Su Mo

12 U.Phalguni(3) Me Su Sa Ve

, rao chitturu <csr162002>

wrote:

> dear Taarun and all members

>

> it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

>

> Kp system to be understood as -

> 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some

western principles-

> 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

> 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in

the KP system.

> 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but

littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the

results-

> 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

> 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

> 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga,

Ashtakavarga etc.,

> and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own

merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different

parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart

depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the

Astrologer-

> for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are

grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi

etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is

posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in

traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in

navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas

in tradit5ional system -

> 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples

of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> My idea is to tell ---

> that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP

system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules

can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

> WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER

SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> rao chitturu.

>

> ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:

>

> helllo members,

>

> due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

>

> saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that

bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i

m including that thing.

>

> the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

>

> Thanks

>

> tarun

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

August 26, 2005

Dear Rao Chitturu,

Current Dasa for the given chart is below.

Ra dasa 16-02-2000 to 16-02-2018

Ra/Sa 22-03-2005 to 28-01-2008

Ra/Me 28-01-2008 to 16-08-2010

Ra/Sa/Me 04-09-05 to 30-01-2006

Ra/Sa/Ke up to 30-03-2006

Ra/Sa/Ve 20-09-2006

Ra/Sa/Su 11-11-2006

Ra/Sa/Mo 07-02-2007

Ra/Sa/Ma 07-04-2007

Ra/Sa/Ra 10-09-2007

Ra/Sa/Ju 28-01-2008

Regards,

tw

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> Dear rao chitturu,

>

> 1. For " seeing is believing " and clear understanding of

your " VIEWS

> AND EXPERIENSES " and also for the benefit of KP learners like me,

> could you be kind enough to practically demonstrate your expertise

> of BPHS and KP (in your understanding) for the question of timing

of

> marriage for the chart given below.

>

> 2. It has been mentioned many times in this forum that two out of

> three KP pillars are the constellation Zodiac of Hindu Astrology

and

> the idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious unequal

> Vimsottari propotion attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara,

> hailed as father of Hindu Astrology. And the third pillar is the

> Western Placidian cusps. However, credit goes to Guruji KSK for

> simple grouping of houses with rationale and clear application of

> sub theory which revolutionizes the prediction portion in KP.

>

> 3. Since Tarun is not yet responding, it is highly apreciated if

you

> could tell me what is written in The Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra

> of Rishi Parashara(which is the basic foundation and structure of

> Vedic astrology and most of the other Sashtras are based on this)

> about combination of Saturn & Moon (Punarpho as per KP) because I

> can't find it easily in BPHS and what is found in " Saravali by

> Kalyana Varma " and " Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 61 "

> are entirely contradicting what Tarun is saying " saturn+ moon

> creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS "

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> KPAstro 2.1

>

> FEMALE (Satish)

> Sunday, 25/Jul/1982

> Time: 12:17:00 PM

> Place: MUMBAI-CHEMBUR

> India

> Latitude: 19:03:00 N

> Longitude: 72:54:00 E

> Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24 "

> SID: 07:49:13

> Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4

> Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 6 M, 23 D

>

> Su 08:29:16 Cn

> Mo 08:44:43 Vi

> Ma 01:21:58 Li

> Me 08:24:56 Cn

> Ju 08:01:04 Li

> Ve 12:00:48 Ge

> Sa 23:04:37 Vi

> Ra 18:47:27 Ge

> Ke 18:47:27 Sg

> Fo 02:26:48 Sg

>

> I 02:11:21 Li

> II 01:34:00 Sc

> III 01:22:48 Sg

> IV 01:49:13 Cp

> V 03:02:06 Aq

> VI 03:48:19 Pi

> VII 02:11:21 Ar

> VIII 01:34:00 Ta

> IX 01:22:48 Ge

> X 01:49:13 Cn

> XI 03:02:06 Le

> XII 03:48:19 Vi

>

> Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

> Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Su

> Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra

> Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju

> Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve

> Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve

> Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra

> Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa

> Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me

> Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa

> Fo Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Sa

> Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

> 1 Chitra(3) Ve Ma Ke Ma

> 2 Visakha(4) Ma Ju Ra Ra

> 3 Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Mo

> 4 U.Ashada(2) Sa Su Ju Me

> 5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Ve Ve

> 6 U.Bhadra(1) Ju Sa Sa Me

> 7 Aswini(1) Ma Ke Ve Ju

> 8 Krittika(2) Ve Su Ju Sa

> 9 Mrigasira(3) Me Ma Me Ju

> 10 Punarvasu(4) Mo Ju Ra Ju

> 11 Magha(1) Su Ke Su Mo

> 12 U.Phalguni(3) Me Su Sa Ve

, rao chitturu <csr162002>

> wrote:

> > dear Taarun and all members

> >

> > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

> >

> > Kp system to be understood as -

> > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some

> western principles-

> > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

> benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

> > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged

in

> the KP system.

> > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but

> littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at

the

> results-

> > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP

system -

>

> > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

> > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,

shodasavarga,

> Ashtakavarga etc.,

> > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own

> merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different

> parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart

> depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the

> Astrologer-

> > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are

> grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi

> etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet

is

> posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in

> traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in

> navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to

shodasavargas

> in tradit5ional system -

> > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the

priniciples

> of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> > My idea is to tell ---

> > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP

> system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules

> can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

> > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN

OTHER

> SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> > rao chitturu.

> >

> > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:

> >

> > helllo members,

> >

> > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

> discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

> >

> > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know

that

> bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so

i

> m including that thing.

> >

> > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to

blood.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > tarun

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

> >

August 27, 2005

dear tw

before i work on the chart particulars given by you - i wish to mention the following -

1. let me check what is exactly written in BPHS about Saturn+moon

2, my anxiety is while highlighting the importance of KP system - i wish to mention that the bhva tatwa-grahatatwa and rasi tatwa do not undergo any change in any system - except very minor things-Not only BPHS - any traditional text principles can be followed - in as much as the context of natal chart reading permits - this permit is purely at the taste of the astrologer's eperience.- Predicitve skills sometimes cannot be codified as exact rules.

3. tatwas of saturn and moon are to be judged like that of any other two planets - in as much as - no planet works in isolation - at any given time native gets a package deal of all planets - may be with leadership of one or a few planets by virtue of their D/B/A., or in transit positions -

4. funtional malefic nature cannot be ignored in reading any individual chart-

5. one comparision of kp with western system is bhava sputa is the begining of bhava -

another comparision is - progressive system - in western system yearly progressive charts are drawn on the basis of speed of Sun - at the rate of one degree for one day - one year of age of native is equal to one day of sun's transit from date of birth - this sun's progression

In KP we it can be imagined - that moon is progressin in each sub - with the passage of Vimshottari dasa - sub-period. example - birth moon - star lord Ketu- sub lord Ketu -say aswini star - native starts from Ketu dasa - 2nd level ketu period - after ketu sub - there is venus sub - in vimshottari after ketu sub period venus sub period starts in ketu main dasa-

HERE THE PRESUMPTION IS NATAL MOON IS PREGRESSING IN EACH SUB - AS PER THE DURATION OF VIMSHOTTARI SUB -PERIODS (SECOND LEVEL)

IN PRACTICAL APPROACH MOON SUB LORD (IN PROGRESSION) IS THE SECOND LEVEL PERIOD OF MAIN PERIOD - THE SAME THING IS APPLICABLE IN TRADITIONAL SYSTEM ALSO.

rao chitturu.

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Rao Chitturu,Current Dasa for the given chart is below.Ra dasa 16-02-2000 to 16-02-2018Ra/Sa 22-03-2005 to 28-01-2008Ra/Me 28-01-2008 to 16-08-2010Ra/Sa/Me 04-09-05 to 30-01-2006Ra/Sa/Ke up to 30-03-2006Ra/Sa/Ve 20-09-2006Ra/Sa/Su 11-11-2006Ra/Sa/Mo 07-02-2007Ra/Sa/Ma 07-04-2007Ra/Sa/Ra 10-09-2007Ra/Sa/Ju 28-01-2008Regards,tw , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> Dear rao chitturu,> > 1. For "seeing is believing" and clear understanding of your "VIEWS > AND EXPERIENSES" and also for the benefit of KP learners like me, > could you be kind enough to practically demonstrate your expertise > of BPHS and KP (in your understanding) for the question of timing of > marriage for the chart given

below.> > 2. It has been mentioned many times in this forum that two out of > three KP pillars are the constellation Zodiac of Hindu Astrology and > the idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious unequal > Vimsottari propotion attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara, > hailed as father of Hindu Astrology. And the third pillar is the > Western Placidian cusps. However, credit goes to Guruji KSK for > simple grouping of houses with rationale and clear application of > sub theory which revolutionizes the prediction portion in KP. > > 3. Since Tarun is not yet responding, it is highly apreciated if you > could tell me what is written in The Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra > of Rishi Parashara(which is the basic foundation and structure of > Vedic astrology and most of the other Sashtras are based on this) > about combination of Saturn & Moon (Punarpho as

per KP) because I > can't find it easily in BPHS and what is found in "Saravali by > Kalyana Varma" and "Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 61" > are entirely contradicting what Tarun is saying "saturn+ moon > creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS"> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > > > KPAstro 2.1> > FEMALE (Satish)> Sunday, 25/Jul/1982> Time: 12:17:00 PM> Place: MUMBAI-CHEMBUR> India> Latitude: 19:03:00 N> Longitude: 72:54:00 E> Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24"> SID: 07:49:13> Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4> Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 6 M, 23 D> > Su 08:29:16 Cn> Mo 08:44:43 Vi> Ma 01:21:58 Li> Me 08:24:56 Cn> Ju 08:01:04 Li> Ve 12:00:48 Ge> Sa 23:04:37 Vi> Ra 18:47:27 Ge> Ke 18:47:27 Sg> Fo 02:26:48 Sg> >

> > I 02:11:21 Li> II 01:34:00 Sc> III 01:22:48 Sg> IV 01:49:13 Cp> V 03:02:06 Aq> VI 03:48:19 Pi> VII 02:11:21 Ar> VIII 01:34:00 Ta> IX 01:22:48 Ge> X 01:49:13 Cn> XI 03:02:06 Le> XII 03:48:19 Vi> > > Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl> Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Su> Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra> Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju> Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve> Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve> Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra> Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa> Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me> Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa> Fo Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Sa> Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl> 1 Chitra(3) Ve Ma Ke Ma> 2 Visakha(4) Ma Ju Ra Ra> 3 Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Mo> 4 U.Ashada(2) Sa Su Ju Me> 5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Ve Ve> 6 U.Bhadra(1) Ju Sa Sa Me> 7 Aswini(1) Ma Ke Ve Ju> 8 Krittika(2) Ve Su Ju Sa>

9 Mrigasira(3) Me Ma Me Ju> 10 Punarvasu(4) Mo Ju Ra Ju> 11 Magha(1) Su Ke Su Mo> 12 U.Phalguni(3) Me Su Sa Ve> > > > > > > , rao chitturu <csr162002> > wrote:> > dear Taarun and all members> > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > Kp system to be understood as -> > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some > western principles-> > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > benefic/malefis and the timing of events -> > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in > the KP system.> > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but > littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the > results-> > 5.

One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -> > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.> > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, > Ashtakavarga etc., > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,> > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own > merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different > parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the > Astrologer-> > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are > grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is > posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in >

traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in > navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas > in tradit5ional system -> > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples > of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > My idea is to tell ---> > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP > system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules > can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -> > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER > SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > rao chitturu. > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:> > > > helllo members,> > > > due to internet trouble i was not

able to take part in > discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that > bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i > m including that thing.> > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.> > > > Thanks> > > > tarun> > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > >

August 28, 2005

Dear Rao Chitturu,

If you can, please do it practically, we will give our comments in

both KP & Vedic. If not, forget just talking big words.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, rao chitturu <csr162002>

wrote:

> dear tw

> before i work on the chart particulars given by you - i wish to

mention the following -

> 1. let me check what is exactly written in BPHS about Saturn+moon

> 2, my anxiety is while highlighting the importance of KP system -

i wish to mention that the bhva tatwa-grahatatwa and rasi tatwa do

not undergo any change in any system - except very minor things-Not

only BPHS - any traditional text principles can be followed - in as

much as the context of natal chart reading permits - this permit is

purely at the taste of the astrologer's eperience.- Predicitve

skills sometimes cannot be codified as exact rules.

> 3. tatwas of saturn and moon are to be judged like that of any

other two planets - in as much as - no planet works in isolation -

at any given time native gets a package deal of all planets - may be

with leadership of one or a few planets by virtue of their D/B/A.,

or in transit positions -

> 4. funtional malefic nature cannot be ignored in reading any

individual chart-

> 5. one comparision of kp with western system is bhava sputa is the

begining of bhava -

> another comparision is - progressive system - in western

system yearly progressive charts are drawn on the basis of speed of

Sun - at the rate of one degree for one day - one year of age of

native is equal to one day of sun's transit from date of birth -

this sun's progression

> In KP we it can be imagined - that moon is progressin in each sub -

with the passage of Vimshottari dasa - sub-period. example - birth

moon - star lord Ketu- sub lord Ketu -say aswini star - native

starts from Ketu dasa - 2nd level ketu period - after ketu sub -

there is venus sub - in vimshottari after ketu sub period venus sub

period starts in ketu main dasa-

> HERE THE PRESUMPTION IS NATAL MOON IS PREGRESSING IN EACH SUB - AS

PER THE DURATION OF VIMSHOTTARI SUB -PERIODS (SECOND LEVEL)

> IN PRACTICAL APPROACH MOON SUB LORD (IN PROGRESSION) IS THE SECOND

LEVEL PERIOD OF MAIN PERIOD - THE SAME THING IS APPLICABLE IN

TRADITIONAL SYSTEM ALSO.

>

> rao chitturu.

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> Dear Rao Chitturu,

>

> Current Dasa for the given chart is below.

>

> Ra dasa 16-02-2000 to 16-02-2018

> Ra/Sa 22-03-2005 to 28-01-2008

> Ra/Me 28-01-2008 to 16-08-2010

> Ra/Sa/Me 04-09-05 to 30-01-2006

> Ra/Sa/Ke up to 30-03-2006

> Ra/Sa/Ve 20-09-2006

> Ra/Sa/Su 11-11-2006

> Ra/Sa/Mo 07-02-2007

> Ra/Sa/Ma 07-04-2007

> Ra/Sa/Ra 10-09-2007

> Ra/Sa/Ju 28-01-2008

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > Dear rao chitturu,

> >

> > 1. For " seeing is believing " and clear understanding of

> your " VIEWS

> > AND EXPERIENSES " and also for the benefit of KP learners like

me,

> > could you be kind enough to practically demonstrate your

expertise

> > of BPHS and KP (in your understanding) for the question of

timing

> of

> > marriage for the chart given below.

> >

> > 2. It has been mentioned many times in this forum that two out

of

> > three KP pillars are the constellation Zodiac of Hindu Astrology

> and

> > the idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious unequal

> > Vimsottari propotion attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara,

> > hailed as father of Hindu Astrology. And the third pillar is the

> > Western Placidian cusps. However, credit goes to Guruji KSK for

> > simple grouping of houses with rationale and clear application

of

> > sub theory which revolutionizes the prediction portion in KP.

> >

> > 3. Since Tarun is not yet responding, it is highly apreciated if

> you

> > could tell me what is written in The Brihat Parashara Hora

Sashtra

> > of Rishi Parashara(which is the basic foundation and structure

of

> > Vedic astrology and most of the other Sashtras are based on

this)

> > about combination of Saturn & Moon (Punarpho as per KP) because

I

> > can't find it easily in BPHS and what is found in " Saravali by

> > Kalyana Varma " and " Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page

61 "

> > are entirely contradicting what Tarun is saying " saturn+ moon

> > creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS "

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > KPAstro 2.1

> >

> > FEMALE (Satish)

> > Sunday, 25/Jul/1982

> > Time: 12:17:00 PM

> > Place: MUMBAI-CHEMBUR

> > India

> > Latitude: 19:03:00 N

> > Longitude: 72:54:00 E

> > Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24 "

> > SID: 07:49:13

> > Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4

> > Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 6 M, 23 D

> >

> > Su 08:29:16 Cn

> > Mo 08:44:43 Vi

> > Ma 01:21:58 Li

> > Me 08:24:56 Cn

> > Ju 08:01:04 Li

> > Ve 12:00:48 Ge

> > Sa 23:04:37 Vi

> > Ra 18:47:27 Ge

> > Ke 18:47:27 Sg

> > Fo 02:26:48 Sg

> >

> > I 02:11:21 Li

> > II 01:34:00 Sc

> > III 01:22:48 Sg

> > IV 01:49:13 Cp

> > V 03:02:06 Aq

> > VI 03:48:19 Pi

> > VII 02:11:21 Ar

> > VIII 01:34:00 Ta

> > IX 01:22:48 Ge

> > X 01:49:13 Cn

> > XI 03:02:06 Le

> > XII 03:48:19 Vi

> >

> > Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

> > Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Su

> > Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra

> > Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju

> > Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve

> > Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve

> > Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra

> > Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa

> > Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me

> > Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa

> > Fo Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Sa

> > Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl

> > 1 Chitra(3) Ve Ma Ke Ma

> > 2 Visakha(4) Ma Ju Ra Ra

> > 3 Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Mo

> > 4 U.Ashada(2) Sa Su Ju Me

> > 5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Ve Ve

> > 6 U.Bhadra(1) Ju Sa Sa Me

> > 7 Aswini(1) Ma Ke Ve Ju

> > 8 Krittika(2) Ve Su Ju Sa

> > 9 Mrigasira(3) Me Ma Me Ju

> > 10 Punarvasu(4) Mo Ju Ra Ju

> > 11 Magha(1) Su Ke Su Mo

> > 12 U.Phalguni(3) Me Su Sa Ve

> >

> > , rao chitturu <csr162002>

> > wrote:

> > > dear Taarun and all members

> > >

> > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

> > >

> > > Kp system to be understood as -

> > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with

some

> > western principles-

> > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

> > benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

> > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not

chnaged

> in

> > the KP system.

> > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but

> > littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at

> the

> > results-

> > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP

> system -

> >

> > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is

ignored.

> > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,

> shodasavarga,

> > Ashtakavarga etc.,

> > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own

> > merits / demerits - and developed in different times and

different

> > parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular

chart

> > depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of

the

> > Astrologer-

> > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are

> > grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi

sandhi

> > etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the

planet

> is

> > posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in

> > traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in

> > navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to

> shodasavargas

> > in tradit5ional system -

> > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the

> priniciples

> > of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> > > My idea is to tell ---

> > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in

KP

> > system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward

rules

> > can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

> > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN

> OTHER

> > SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> > > rao chitturu.

> > >

> > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:

> > >

> > > helllo members,

> > >

> > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

> > discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

> > >

> > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know

> that

> > bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology

so

> i

> > m including that thing.

> > >

> > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to

> blood.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > tarun

> > >

> > > Start your day with - make it your home page

> > >

August 28, 2005

dear tw

message noted pl.

let me take sometime to read.

rao chitturu.

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Rao Chitturu,If you can, please do it practically, we will give our comments in both KP & Vedic. If not, forget just talking big words. Thanks and regards,tw , rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> dear tw> before i work on the chart particulars given by you - i wish to mention the following -> 1. let me check what is exactly written in BPHS about Saturn+moon> 2, my anxiety is while highlighting the importance of KP system - i wish to mention that the bhva tatwa-grahatatwa and rasi tatwa do not undergo any change in any system - except very minor things-Not only BPHS - any traditional text principles can be followed - in as much as the context of natal chart reading permits - this permit is purely at the taste of the astrologer's

eperience.- Predicitve skills sometimes cannot be codified as exact rules.> 3. tatwas of saturn and moon are to be judged like that of any other two planets - in as much as - no planet works in isolation - at any given time native gets a package deal of all planets - may be with leadership of one or a few planets by virtue of their D/B/A., or in transit positions -> 4. funtional malefic nature cannot be ignored in reading any individual chart-> 5. one comparision of kp with western system is bhava sputa is the begining of bhava - > another comparision is - progressive system - in western system yearly progressive charts are drawn on the basis of speed of Sun - at the rate of one degree for one day - one year of age of native is equal to one day of sun's transit from date of birth - this sun's progression> In KP we it can be imagined - that moon is progressin in each sub

-with the passage of Vimshottari dasa - sub-period. example - birth moon - star lord Ketu- sub lord Ketu -say aswini star - native starts from Ketu dasa - 2nd level ketu period - after ketu sub - there is venus sub - in vimshottari after ketu sub period venus sub period starts in ketu main dasa- > HERE THE PRESUMPTION IS NATAL MOON IS PREGRESSING IN EACH SUB - AS PER THE DURATION OF VIMSHOTTARI SUB -PERIODS (SECOND LEVEL)> IN PRACTICAL APPROACH MOON SUB LORD (IN PROGRESSION) IS THE SECOND LEVEL PERIOD OF MAIN PERIOD - THE SAME THING IS APPLICABLE IN TRADITIONAL SYSTEM ALSO.> > rao chitturu.> > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> Dear Rao Chitturu,> > Current Dasa for the given chart is below.> > Ra dasa 16-02-2000 to 16-02-2018> Ra/Sa 22-03-2005 to 28-01-2008> Ra/Me 28-01-2008 to 16-08-2010> Ra/Sa/Me 04-09-05 to

30-01-2006> Ra/Sa/Ke up to 30-03-2006> Ra/Sa/Ve 20-09-2006> Ra/Sa/Su 11-11-2006> Ra/Sa/Mo 07-02-2007> Ra/Sa/Ma 07-04-2007> Ra/Sa/Ra 10-09-2007> Ra/Sa/Ju 28-01-2008> > Regards,> > tw> > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear rao chitturu,> > > > 1. For "seeing is believing" and clear understanding of > your "VIEWS > > AND EXPERIENSES" and also for the benefit of KP learners like me, > > could you be kind enough to practically demonstrate your expertise > > of BPHS and KP (in your understanding) for the question of timing > of > > marriage for the chart given below.> > > > 2. It has been mentioned many times in this forum that two out of > > three KP pillars are the constellation Zodiac of Hindu Astrology

> and > > the idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious unequal > > Vimsottari propotion attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara, > > hailed as father of Hindu Astrology. And the third pillar is the > > Western Placidian cusps. However, credit goes to Guruji KSK for > > simple grouping of houses with rationale and clear application of > > sub theory which revolutionizes the prediction portion in KP. > > > > 3. Since Tarun is not yet responding, it is highly apreciated if > you > > could tell me what is written in The Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra > > of Rishi Parashara(which is the basic foundation and structure of > > Vedic astrology and most of the other Sashtras are based on this) > > about combination of Saturn & Moon (Punarpho as per KP) because I > > can't find it easily in BPHS and what is

found in "Saravali by > > Kalyana Varma" and "Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 61" > > are entirely contradicting what Tarun is saying "saturn+ moon > > creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS"> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > KPAstro 2.1> > > > FEMALE (Satish)> > Sunday, 25/Jul/1982> > Time: 12:17:00 PM> > Place: MUMBAI-CHEMBUR> > India> > Latitude: 19:03:00 N> > Longitude: 72:54:00 E> > Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24"> > SID: 07:49:13> > Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4> > Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 6 M, 23 D> > > > Su 08:29:16 Cn> > Mo 08:44:43 Vi> > Ma 01:21:58 Li> > Me 08:24:56 Cn> > Ju 08:01:04 Li> > Ve 12:00:48 Ge> > Sa

23:04:37 Vi> > Ra 18:47:27 Ge> > Ke 18:47:27 Sg> > Fo 02:26:48 Sg> > > > > > > > I 02:11:21 Li> > II 01:34:00 Sc> > III 01:22:48 Sg> > IV 01:49:13 Cp> > V 03:02:06 Aq> > VI 03:48:19 Pi> > VII 02:11:21 Ar> > VIII 01:34:00 Ta> > IX 01:22:48 Ge> > X 01:49:13 Cn> > XI 03:02:06 Le> > XII 03:48:19 Vi> > > > > > Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl> > Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Su> > Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra> > Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju> > Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve> > Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve> > Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra> > Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa> > Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me> > Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa> > Fo Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Sa> > Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl> > 1

Chitra(3) Ve Ma Ke Ma> > 2 Visakha(4) Ma Ju Ra Ra> > 3 Moola(1) Ju Ke Ve Mo> > 4 U.Ashada(2) Sa Su Ju Me> > 5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Ve Ve> > 6 U.Bhadra(1) Ju Sa Sa Me> > 7 Aswini(1) Ma Ke Ve Ju> > 8 Krittika(2) Ve Su Ju Sa> > 9 Mrigasira(3) Me Ma Me Ju> > 10 Punarvasu(4) Mo Ju Ra Ju> > 11 Magha(1) Su Ke Su Mo> > 12 U.Phalguni(3) Me Su Sa Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rao chitturu <csr162002> > > wrote:> > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > > > Kp system to be understood as -> > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some > > western principles-> > >

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - > > benefic/malefis and the timing of events -> > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged > in > > the KP system.> > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but > > littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at > the > > results-> > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP > system -> > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.> > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , > shodasavarga, > > Ashtakavarga etc., > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,> > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own > > merits / demerits - and developed in different times

and different > > parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart > > depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the > > Astrologer-> > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are > > grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi > > etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet > is > > posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in > > traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in > > navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to > shodasavargas > > in tradit5ional system -> > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the > priniciples > > of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > My idea is to tell ---> > > that

BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP > > system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules > > can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -> > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN > OTHER > > SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM - > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > rao chitturu. > > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:> > > > > > helllo members,> > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in > > discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know > that > > bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so > i

> > m including that thing.> > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to > blood.> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > >

August 28, 2005

Dear Chittaru,

I agree with you that KP is good system to analyse chart with

specific rules. But other systems can also be applied to arrive the

same results. Before KP was designed by SH KSK ,astrlogers must be

giving accurate forecasts based on some method or other.

It is no good to combine two systems as it may lead to confusion and

misinterpretations.

Sh KSK gave good background of traditional astrology in 2nd reader

and developed further from there.

Conjunction of planets have some characterstics. Like SAt+MOOn

success after some failures. Ven+moon difficulties and setbacks due

to apposite sex, Mars+Venus forceful relations etc etc. These are

available in details at many places.

These characterstics also change with rasi, navamsa, kp sub, star,

proximity of conjuction, aspects etc etc which require close study

and perspective.

Sh KSK while telling about PP made a general remark. It can not be

taken as KP rules.

Thanks

Inder

, rao chitturu <csr162002>

wrote:

> dear Taarun and all members

>

> it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

>

> Kp system to be understood as -

> 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some

western principles-

> 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

> 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in

the KP system.

> 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but

littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the

results-

> 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

> 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

> 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga,

Ashtakavarga etc.,

> and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own

merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different

parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart

depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the

Astrologer-

> for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are

grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi

etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is

posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in

traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in

navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas

in tradit5ional system -

> 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples

of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> My idea is to tell ---

> that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP

system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules

can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

> WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER

SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> rao chitturu.

>

> ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:

>

> helllo members,

>

> due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

>

> saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that

bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i

m including that thing.

>

> the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

>

> Thanks

>

> tarun

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

August 28, 2005

Dear Mr.Rao Chitturu,

Please permit to present my views. It is evident that you have a very strong Vedic background along with KP and certainly without any ill-will or bias, I would like to value your experience and enrich my understanding. I have writtent my comments / views in bold:

"dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

I am sure that it is only a suggestion to enhance knowledge, but not an essential condition.

Kp system to be understood as -

a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

On and off there is a mention of the Western System in the books, but selectively picked up based on the context. The aspects are a bit concerning, specifically the 7th.

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

You are 100% right. In the Vedic System it is extremely tough to figure out Natural benefic / malefic (for the given chart and in general too) vs functional qualities of planets.

Timingof events – Amazing success.

The recent success of our learned friend Mr.Kanak Bosmia on the delay and subsequent of landing DISCOVERY has created History. He was virtually accurate to the Second.

What is the use of I and you congratulating him. It was for George Bush and his team at NASA to have done that if at all they were aware. An excellent application of Astrology to a global Technological event. Next time when there is an opportunity, we should write to NASA and let know them that there is yet another route for some forecasts, if not anything, atleast as a QUIZ. Mr.Kanak could have hit the Headlines of Global News Papers along with the founder of KP System. I pray God that this wish comes true and anyway Mr.Kanak can predict for himself! NASA spent US $ 500 million to ship the shuttle back to the launching pad. A small gift of One million Dollars would be peanuts for US Govt! Which Mr.Kanak Bosmia is rightly eligible!

Without anything at the back of mind, may I ask you to quote some predictions like that, if you are aware. I am not trying to piggyback on Mr.Kanak’s success, but it is only from the point of view of Information and nothing else.

the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

By this perhaps you mean the inherent qualities of Planets, Rashis and Bhava. If this is the case, it is quite acceptable.

My comments – I think when a learner like me is trying to apply say, 2,7,11 rule for marriage, my focus would be more on the rule rather than the Tatwas as you have mentioned. I agree that sub-consciously I may ignore the Tatwas but declare a ‘happy married life’ despite the fact that rule is met by non-homogeneous planets, star lords or sub-lords etc.

I am not speaking as a spokesperson for others and perhaps they may be certainly observing your points too. You are touching upon the quality of prediction and the ambience, descriptin of the possibilities etc., while beginners like me may focus more on the rule, DBA, timing etc.

Please comment

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

I agree that it is only for beginners like me and not applicable to old members who must have seen scores of charts.

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

May make some meaning in the light of Point 3 above

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

Practically the preface of almost every KP Book contains this message. But some places the Authors have gone over-board to criticise and thus incurred the wrath of the other school. Hope the converse of this does not happen here.

My comments: The stress was mainly on blind interpretation of Yogas, Doshas etc apart from Astrological mis-adventures of Astrologers, which you have suomotto mentioned.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently –

I have no intelletual muscles to comment, but from the point of view of comprehensive peripheral knowledge acquisiion, why not?

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu. "

With due regard to your expertise in the field of Astrology, I request you participate more and more and help me to acquire additional knowledge.

Regards,

K Jagadishrao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

Kp system to be understood as -

1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu.

~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote:

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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Dear Punit ji,

1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for

our practical study.

2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble " only a

learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example for

others.

3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more

about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by

Satish.

Thanks and regards,

tw

-- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Tw ji,

> I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my

understanding

> of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial

> perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy

happy married

> life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,

just to

> ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon -

> 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.

> 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or

sudden

> loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's

chart.

> 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our

unforeseen

> troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.

> Satish ji, your feedback will be required.

> Thanks & Regards,

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit,

> >

> > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to

> > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination of

> > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to

> > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941.

> >

> > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule whatsoever

> > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be a

> > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari

> > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride

with

> > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got

> > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister

thanks

> > to her arrangement.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > Friends,

> > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -

> > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse

(Punit:

> > native

> > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /

> > damaged

> > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in

> > milk. If one

> > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both will

be

> > damaged.

> > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an

> > artificial

> > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect is

> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's

> > effect is

> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's

> > effect goes.

> > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be decided

by

> > the shape

> > > of the eye.

> > > In case of Benefic combination -

> > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,

Moon-

> > Saturn

> > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.

> > > In case of Malefic combination -

> > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be enjoyed

> > by his

> > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.

> > Person will not

> > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of

> > eyesight, Cross

> > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Taarun and all members

> > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

> > > > Kp system to be understood as -

> > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with

some

> > western

> > > > principles-

> > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

> > benefic/malefis and

> > > > the timing of events -

> > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not

chnaged

> > in the KP

> > > > system.

> > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but

> > littele

> > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the

> > results-

> > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP

> > system -

> > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is

ignored.

> > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,

> > shodasavarga,

> > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,

> > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own

> > merits /

> > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different

parts

> > of the

> > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends

on

> > the nature

> > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

> > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are

> > grouped in a

> > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -

> > because the KP

> > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its

sign

> > lord / star

> > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30

> > degrees in

> > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute

study

> > they go to

> > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

> > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the

> > priniciples of that

> > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> > > > My idea is to tell ---

> > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts

in KP

> > system -

> > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can

be

> > formed -

> > > > each chart to be studied independently -

> > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN

> > OTHER SYSTEMS

> > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> > > > rao chitturu.

> > > >

> > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > helllo members,

> > > >

> > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

> > discussion

> > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

> > > >

> > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know

> > that bphs is

> > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i

m

> > including

> > > > that thing.

> > > >

> > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to

> > blood.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > tarun

> > > >

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August 28, 2005

Dears Jagdish & Rao Chitturu,

Allow me to remind uall that K.P., is based on Vedic Astrology,but the wonderful invention of the sub,sub-sub,sub-sub-sub ,RPs etc., make Shadbalas,and all other vargas redundunt.

I had also given a reference earlier of an article my the late Pt.K.R.Kar,about Navamsa of Navamsa,which is the equivalent of the sub-sub etc...

The sub & sub-sub if used properly,makes the use of Navamsas redundant...

I wonder why we should continue discussing comparison between Traditional Astrology v/s K.P.,in my humble opinion, quite needlessly...after "so much water has flown down the Ganga..." ?

My sincere advice to all traditional astrologers who want to learn K.P.,is to "first,unlearn traditional astrology first..." keeping only the basics in mind...and then concentrate on learning K.P.,whole-heartedly, else exactly what is happening now will keep happening over and opver again...endlessly...I guess...unconciously one begins comparing K.P., to what one had imbibed earlier...!

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote:

Dear Mr.Rao Chitturu,

Please permit to present my views. It is evident that you have a very strong Vedic background along with KP and certainly without any ill-will or bias, I would like to value your experience and enrich my understanding. I have writtent my comments / views in bold:

"dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

I am sure that it is only a suggestion to enhance knowledge, but not an essential condition.

Kp system to be understood as -

a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

On and off there is a mention of the Western System in the books, but selectively picked up based on the context. The aspects are a bit concerning, specifically the 7th.

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

You are 100% right. In the Vedic System it is extremely tough to figure out Natural benefic / malefic (for the given chart and in general too) vs functional qualities of planets.

Timingof events – Amazing success.

The recent success of our learned friend Mr.Kanak Bosmia on the delay and subsequent of landing DISCOVERY has created History. He was virtually accurate to the Second.

What is the use of I and you congratulating him. It was for George Bush and his team at NASA to have done that if at all they were aware. An excellent application of Astrology to a global Technological event. Next time when there is an opportunity, we should write to NASA and let know them that there is yet another route for some forecasts, if not anything, atleast as a QUIZ. Mr.Kanak could have hit the Headlines of Global News Papers along with the founder of KP System. I pray God that this wish comes true and anyway Mr.Kanak can predict for himself! NASA spent US $ 500 million to ship the shuttle back to the launching pad. A small gift of One million Dollars would be peanuts for US Govt! Which Mr.Kanak Bosmia is rightly eligible!

Without anything at the back of mind, may I ask you to quote some predictions like that, if you are aware. I am not trying to piggyback on Mr.Kanak’s success, but it is only from the point of view of Information and nothing else.

the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

By this perhaps you mean the inherent qualities of Planets, Rashis and Bhava. If this is the case, it is quite acceptable.

My comments – I think when a learner like me is trying to apply say, 2,7,11 rule for marriage, my focus would be more on the rule rather than the Tatwas as you have mentioned. I agree that sub-consciously I may ignore the Tatwas but declare a ‘happy married life’ despite the fact that rule is met by non-homogeneous planets, star lords or sub-lords etc.

I am not speaking as a spokesperson for others and perhaps they may be certainly observing your points too. You are touching upon the quality of prediction and the ambience, descriptin of the possibilities etc., while beginners like me may focus more on the rule, DBA, timing etc.

Please comment

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

I agree that it is only for beginners like me and not applicable to old members who must have seen scores of charts.

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

May make some meaning in the light of Point 3 above

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

Practically the preface of almost every KP Book contains this message. But some places the Authors have gone over-board to criticise and thus incurred the wrath of the other school. Hope the converse of this does not happen here.

My comments: The stress was mainly on blind interpretation of Yogas, Doshas etc apart from Astrological mis-adventures of Astrologers, which you have suomotto mentioned.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently –

I have no intelletual muscles to comment, but from the point of view of comprehensive peripheral knowledge acquisiion, why not?

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu. "

With due regard to your expertise in the field of Astrology, I request you participate more and more and help me to acquire additional knowledge.

Regards,

K Jagadishrao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

Kp system to be understood as -

1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu.

~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote:

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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August 28, 2005

Dear Mr.L.Y Rao,

Thanks for your comment.

When Late Prof.KSK himself has mentioned that his philosophy is a value addition to Vedic, why should anyone advocate or hate Vedic and say don't read or read a Vedic Book. I have not drawn any demarkating lines nor comparing it with each other.

Further, we need not buckle under pressure from any book, be it KP or Non KP. We shall pick any information from any book of our choice and try to take the best of points. It is not necessary to close our eyes simply quoting some book or the other. If that is so we will become slaves of those books and where is the scope for Research? There is no point in any kind of Hero Worship be it Parasara or Prof.KSK. We have got to respect every school of thought, otherwise it amounts to fanatisim and politicisation of knowledge. Many a KP books have been just compile and we find endless repetition and in one particular book as much as 135 pages. This Forum has nothing to with this aspect, which I am aware.

On the other hand I have only appreciated and in no uncertain words expressed happiness about the amazing accuracy of timing of events and so I am attracted.

Any suggestion to any member should be done decently and all possible care taken not to hurt others. No single person need behave as a owner of this Forum and no body need act as a Super Cop over here. If they are more knowledgable they can share it with others, if it is in their culture. At this rate this Forum will become a stadium without audience driving out members. No one need assume the ignorance of others nor bother about their level. There is no need for preachers here. One need not act as a school teacher. It is quite disturbing.

I do not agree with unlearning anything to learn anything else. There is no logic and it amounts to saying to learn German first unlearn English although script is the same.

I would like to bring about a lot of misnomer about Sat etc.It is a question of Research and not aimed at pulling each others leg.

Regards,

K JagadishYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Dears Jagdish & Rao Chitturu,

Allow me to remind uall that K.P., is based on Vedic Astrology,but the wonderful invention of the sub,sub-sub,sub-sub-sub ,RPs etc., make Shadbalas,and all other vargas redundunt.

I had also given a reference earlier of an article my the late Pt.K.R.Kar,about Navamsa of Navamsa,which is the equivalent of the sub-sub etc...

The sub & sub-sub if used properly,makes the use of Navamsas redundant...

I wonder why we should continue discussing comparison between Traditional Astrology v/s K.P.,in my humble opinion, quite needlessly...after "so much water has flown down the Ganga..." ?

My sincere advice to all traditional astrologers who want to learn K.P.,is to "first,unlearn traditional astrology first..." keeping only the basics in mind...and then concentrate on learning K.P.,whole-heartedly, else exactly what is happening now will keep happening over and opver again...endlessly...I guess...unconciously one begins comparing K.P., to what one had imbibed earlier...!

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote:

Dear Mr.Rao Chitturu,

Please permit to present my views. It is evident that you have a very strong Vedic background along with KP and certainly without any ill-will or bias, I would like to value your experience and enrich my understanding. I have writtent my comments / views in bold:

"dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

I am sure that it is only a suggestion to enhance knowledge, but not an essential condition.

Kp system to be understood as -

a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

On and off there is a mention of the Western System in the books, but selectively picked up based on the context. The aspects are a bit concerning, specifically the 7th.

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

You are 100% right. In the Vedic System it is extremely tough to figure out Natural benefic / malefic (for the given chart and in general too) vs functional qualities of planets.

Timingof events – Amazing success.

The recent success of our learned friend Mr.Kanak Bosmia on the delay and subsequent of landing DISCOVERY has created History. He was virtually accurate to the Second.

What is the use of I and you congratulating him. It was for George Bush and his team at NASA to have done that if at all they were aware. An excellent application of Astrology to a global Technological event. Next time when there is an opportunity, we should write to NASA and let know them that there is yet another route for some forecasts, if not anything, atleast as a QUIZ. Mr.Kanak could have hit the Headlines of Global News Papers along with the founder of KP System. I pray God that this wish comes true and anyway Mr.Kanak can predict for himself! NASA spent US $ 500 million to ship the shuttle back to the launching pad. A small gift of One million Dollars would be peanuts for US Govt! Which Mr.Kanak Bosmia is rightly eligible!

Without anything at the back of mind, may I ask you to quote some predictions like that, if you are aware. I am not trying to piggyback on Mr.Kanak’s success, but it is only from the point of view of Information and nothing else.

the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

By this perhaps you mean the inherent qualities of Planets, Rashis and Bhava. If this is the case, it is quite acceptable.

My comments – I think when a learner like me is trying to apply say, 2,7,11 rule for marriage, my focus would be more on the rule rather than the Tatwas as you have mentioned. I agree that sub-consciously I may ignore the Tatwas but declare a ‘happy married life’ despite the fact that rule is met by non-homogeneous planets, star lords or sub-lords etc.

I am not speaking as a spokesperson for others and perhaps they may be certainly observing your points too. You are touching upon the quality of prediction and the ambience, descriptin of the possibilities etc., while beginners like me may focus more on the rule, DBA, timing etc.

Please comment

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

I agree that it is only for beginners like me and not applicable to old members who must have seen scores of charts.

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

May make some meaning in the light of Point 3 above

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

Practically the preface of almost every KP Book contains this message. But some places the Authors have gone over-board to criticise and thus incurred the wrath of the other school. Hope the converse of this does not happen here.

My comments: The stress was mainly on blind interpretation of Yogas, Doshas etc apart from Astrological mis-adventures of Astrologers, which you have suomotto mentioned.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently –

I have no intelletual muscles to comment, but from the point of view of comprehensive peripheral knowledge acquisiion, why not?

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu. "

With due regard to your expertise in the field of Astrology, I request you participate more and more and help me to acquire additional knowledge.

Regards,

K Jagadishrao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

Kp system to be understood as -

1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu.

~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote:

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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August 28, 2005

Tw ji,

From the initial observation, it looks the case of denial of marriage. To some extent, the answer also depends upon Satish ji's answer to my questions. That will help in determining the nature of Moon and Saturn. If those are not that much malefic than I would say that it must be in Rahu-Saturn-Mars i.e. Feb to Apr 2007.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting forour practical study.

2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble " only alearner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example forothers.3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more

about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned bySatish.Thanks and regards,tw-- In , Punit Pandey <

punitp@g...> wrote:> Tw ji,> I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to myunderstanding> of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial> perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy

happy married> life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,just to> ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon -> 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.

> 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft orsudden> loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year'schart.> 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our

unforeseen> troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.> Satish ji, your feedback will be required.> Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey>> On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853@y

....> wrote:> >> > Dear Punit,> >> > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination of

> > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941.> >> > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule whatsoever

> > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be a> > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari> > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride

with> > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sisterthanks> > to her arrangement.> >> > Thanks and regards,

> >> > tw> >> >> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>wrote:> > > Friends,

> > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse(Punit:> > native> > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /

> > damaged> > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in> > milk. If one> > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both willbe> > damaged.

> > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an> > artificial> > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's

> > effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > effect goes.> > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be decidedby

> > the shape> > > of the eye.> > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,Moon-> > Saturn> > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.

> > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be enjoyed> > by his> > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.

> > Person will not> > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of> > eyesight, Cross> > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey> > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

> > > > Kp system to be understood as -> > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended withsome> > western> > > > principles-> > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

> > benefic/malefis and> > > > the timing of events -> > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has notchnaged> > in the KP> > > > system.

> > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but> > littele> > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the> > results-> > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP

> > system -> > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system isignored.> > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > shodasavarga,> > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,

> > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,> > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own> > merits /> > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different

parts> > of the> > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart dependson> > the nature> > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

> > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > grouped in a> > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > because the KP

> > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - itssign> > lord / star> > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30> > degrees in

> > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minutestudy> > they go to> > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -> > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the

> > priniciples of that> > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > My idea is to tell ---> > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts

in KP> > system -> > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules canbe> > formed -> > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN

> > OTHER SYSTEMS> > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > rao chitturu.> > > >> > > >

> > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:> > > >> > > > helllo members,> > > >> > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

> > discussion> > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > >> > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know> > that bphs is

> > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so im> > including> > > > that thing.> > > >> > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to

> > blood.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > tarun> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

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August 29, 2005

Dear Punit ji,

>>From the initial observation, it looks the case of denial of

>>marriage.

1. It seems true and the role of aspects will be discussed in this

regard.

2. Assessment of second house for eye sight and wealth seems in

line with Dr. Raman in How to Judge a horoscope Vol I and it is

expected to be discussed in KP perspective.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Tw ji,

> From the initial observation, it looks the case of denial of

marriage. To

> some extent, the answer also depends upon Satish ji's answer to my

> questions. That will help in determining the nature of Moon and

Saturn. If

> those are not that much malefic than I would say that it must be

in

> Rahu-Saturn-Mars i.e. Feb to Apr 2007.

> Thanks & Regards,

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> > 1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for

> > our practical study.

> >

> > 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your

humble " only a

> > learner " , like Sri Raichur saying " intermediate " to give example

for

> > others.

> >

> > 3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little

more

> > about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by

> > Satish.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > -- In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > Tw ji,

> > > I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my

> > understanding

> > > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and

financial

> > > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy

> > happy married

> > > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows,

> > just to

> > > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon -

> > > 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.

> > > 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft

or

> > sudden

> > > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's

> > chart.

> > > 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our

> > unforeseen

> > > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind.

> > > Satish ji, your feedback will be required.

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On 8/28/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit,

> > > >

> > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind

enough to

> > > > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the

combination of

> > > > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able

to

> > > > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule

whatsoever

> > > > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may

be a

> > > > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari

> > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride

> > with

> > > > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got

> > > > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister

> > thanks

> > > > to her arrangement.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Friends,

> > > > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -

> > > > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse

> > (Punit:

> > > > native

> > > > > wants to do something and end up with doing something

else) /

> > > > damaged

> > > > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/

poison in

> > > > milk. If one

> > > > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both

will

> > be

> > > > damaged.

> > > > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like

an

> > > > artificial

> > > > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon

effect is

> > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves,

Saturn's

> > > > effect is

> > > > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves,

Saturn's

> > > > effect goes.

> > > > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be

decided

> > by

> > > > the shape

> > > > > of the eye.

> > > > > In case of Benefic combination -

> > > > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them,

> > Moon-

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.

> > > > > In case of Malefic combination -

> > > > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be

enjoyed

> > > > by his

> > > > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and

depression.

> > > > Person will not

> > > > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of

> > > > eyesight, Cross

> > > > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu <csr162002> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear Taarun and all members

> > > > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

> > > > > > Kp system to be understood as -

> > > > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended

with

> > some

> > > > western

> > > > > > principles-

> > > > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -

> > > > benefic/malefis and

> > > > > > the timing of events -

> > > > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not

> > chnaged

> > > > in the KP

> > > > > > system.

> > > > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse -

but

> > > > littele

> > > > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at

the

> > > > results-

> > > > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in

KP

> > > > system -

> > > > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is

> > ignored.

> > > > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,

> > > > shodasavarga,

> > > > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,

> > > > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

> > > > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has

it's own

> > > > merits /

> > > > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different

> > parts

> > > > of the

> > > > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart

depends

> > on

> > > > the nature

> > > > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

> > > > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets

are

> > > > grouped in a

> > > > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi

etc., -

> > > > because the KP

> > > > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited -

its

> > sign

> > > > lord / star

> > > > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span

of 30

> > > > degrees in

> > > > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute

> > study

> > > > they go to

> > > > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

> > > > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the

> > > > priniciples of that

> > > > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

> > > > > > My idea is to tell ---

> > > > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading

charts

> > in KP

> > > > system -

> > > > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules

can

> > be

> > > > formed -

> > > > > > each chart to be studied independently -

> > > > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA

IN

> > > > OTHER SYSTEMS

> > > > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

> > > > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

> > > > > > rao chitturu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst>* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > helllo members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in

> > > > discussion

> > > > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i

know

> > > > that bphs is

> > > > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology

so i

> > m

> > > > including

> > > > > > that thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related

to

> > > > blood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > ------------------------------

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> > > > > > on the web.

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August 29, 2005

Dear Tin Win

Has any member solved the question of Marriage of the girl Born on 25 th Jul 1982, Chembur-Mumbai at 12,17 hrs ?

If no body has done it so far I may try the 4 step metod and get an answer

I will wait for 3 days, before posting my analysis

good lucktw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for our practical study. 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "only a learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example for others.3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by Satish.Thanks and regards,tw-- In , Punit Pandey wrote:> Tw ji,> I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my understanding > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy happy married > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, just to

> ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon -> 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or sudden > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's chart.> 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our unforeseen > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > Satish ji, your feedback will be required.> Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination of> > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941.> > > > 2. In KP generally

Punarpho does not mean to over rule whatsoever> > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be a> > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari> > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride with> > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister thanks> > to her arrangement.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , Punit Pandey wrote:> > > Friends,> > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse (Punit:> > native> > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > damaged> > > floating house/

self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in> > milk. If one> > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both will be> > damaged.> > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an> > artificial> > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > effect goes.> > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be decided by> > the shape> > > of the eye.> > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, Moon-> > Saturn> > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > In case of Malefic

combination -> > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be enjoyed> > by his> > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > Person will not> > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of> > eyesight, Cross> > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu wrote:> > > >> > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > Kp system to be understood as -> > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some> > western> > > > principles-> > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -> > benefic/malefis and> >

> > the timing of events -> > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged> > in the KP> > > > system.> > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but> > littele> > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the> > results-> > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > system -> > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.> > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > shodasavarga,> > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,> > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own> > merits /> > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different

parts> > of the> > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on> > the nature> > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-> > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > grouped in a> > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > because the KP> > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign> > lord / star> > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30> > degrees in> > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study> > they go to> > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -> > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > priniciples of that> > > > system

meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > My idea is to tell ---> > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP> > system -> > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be> > formed -> > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > OTHER SYSTEMS> > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > rao chitturu.> > > >> > > >> > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > >> > > > helllo members,> > > >> > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in> > discussion> > > > ...because i m too a

saturn+moon candidate.> > > >> > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know> > that bphs is> > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m> > including> > > > that thing.> > > >> > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > blood.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > tarun> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > - Visit your> > group ""> > > > on the web.> > > > -

August 29, 2005

Dear Mr Rao

KP is based on Vedic Astological Priciples. True PROF KSK has by inventing the SUB theory

made many things of Vedic astrology not necessay for practicaal application of Astrology in

prediction. KP IS NOT YET A PERFECT SYSTEM . Reasearch has to be still done. For

example the question of results by Retrograde planets is not finally settled.

KSK himself suggested that research should go on. If this spirit be kept in mind

one should not object to learning from Vedic/Western/ Tajik astology, and reserch if some

of those principles can be useful to the STAUNCH KP astologer.

We have to keep an OPEN MIND, and not get fluttered if some member suggests something

which is apparently not consistent with KP principles.

Late KAR's statement that SUB_SUB is equivalent to NAV NAVamsha is strictly not correct

because though both are derived from sub-diving the Stars Degree into 9 parts, In Navamasha

the division is regular equal parts. In KP the division is irregular, based on the duration of the

Dasa in the Vimsottari System.

For your information in the Vedic Group, one meber has put up a theorey that the Division of

the ZODIAC into 27 equal Star Division each of 13 deg 20, is itself not correct. He has propsed an unequal division.

Let the Debate go on. One need not lose tempers over such posting, as long as the language

is decent, and does not hurt any one.

Good Luck

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Dears Jagdish & Rao Chitturu,

Allow me to remind uall that K.P., is based on Vedic Astrology,but the wonderful invention of the sub,sub-sub,sub-sub-sub ,RPs etc., make Shadbalas,and all other vargas redundunt.

I had also given a reference earlier of an article my the late Pt.K.R.Kar,about Navamsa of Navamsa,which is the equivalent of the sub-sub etc...

The sub & sub-sub if used properly,makes the use of Navamsas redundant...

I wonder why we should continue discussing comparison between Traditional Astrology v/s K.P.,in my humble opinion, quite needlessly...after "so much water has flown down the Ganga..." ?

My sincere advice to all traditional astrologers who want to learn K.P.,is to "first,unlearn traditional astrology first..." keeping only the basics in mind...and then concentrate on learning K.P.,whole-heartedly, else exactly what is happening now will keep happening over and opver again...endlessly...I guess...unconciously one begins comparing K.P., to what one had imbibed earlier...!

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote:

Dear Mr.Rao Chitturu,

Please permit to present my views. It is evident that you have a very strong Vedic background along with KP and certainly without any ill-will or bias, I would like to value your experience and enrich my understanding. I have writtent my comments / views in bold:

"dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

I am sure that it is only a suggestion to enhance knowledge, but not an essential condition.

Kp system to be understood as -

a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

On and off there is a mention of the Western System in the books, but selectively picked up based on the context. The aspects are a bit concerning, specifically the 7th.

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

You are 100% right. In the Vedic System it is extremely tough to figure out Natural benefic / malefic (for the given chart and in general too) vs functional qualities of planets.

Timingof events – Amazing success.

The recent success of our learned friend Mr.Kanak Bosmia on the delay and subsequent of landing DISCOVERY has created History. He was virtually accurate to the Second.

What is the use of I and you congratulating him. It was for George Bush and his team at NASA to have done that if at all they were aware. An excellent application of Astrology to a global Technological event. Next time when there is an opportunity, we should write to NASA and let know them that there is yet another route for some forecasts, if not anything, atleast as a QUIZ. Mr.Kanak could have hit the Headlines of Global News Papers along with the founder of KP System. I pray God that this wish comes true and anyway Mr.Kanak can predict for himself! NASA spent US $ 500 million to ship the shuttle back to the launching pad. A small gift of One million Dollars would be peanuts for US Govt! Which Mr.Kanak Bosmia is rightly eligible!

Without anything at the back of mind, may I ask you to quote some predictions like that, if you are aware. I am not trying to piggyback on Mr.Kanak’s success, but it is only from the point of view of Information and nothing else.

the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

By this perhaps you mean the inherent qualities of Planets, Rashis and Bhava. If this is the case, it is quite acceptable.

My comments – I think when a learner like me is trying to apply say, 2,7,11 rule for marriage, my focus would be more on the rule rather than the Tatwas as you have mentioned. I agree that sub-consciously I may ignore the Tatwas but declare a ‘happy married life’ despite the fact that rule is met by non-homogeneous planets, star lords or sub-lords etc.

I am not speaking as a spokesperson for others and perhaps they may be certainly observing your points too. You are touching upon the quality of prediction and the ambience, descriptin of the possibilities etc., while beginners like me may focus more on the rule, DBA, timing etc.

Please comment

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

I agree that it is only for beginners like me and not applicable to old members who must have seen scores of charts.

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

May make some meaning in the light of Point 3 above

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

Practically the preface of almost every KP Book contains this message. But some places the Authors have gone over-board to criticise and thus incurred the wrath of the other school. Hope the converse of this does not happen here.

My comments: The stress was mainly on blind interpretation of Yogas, Doshas etc apart from Astrological mis-adventures of Astrologers, which you have suomotto mentioned.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

Agreed and this is also one of the best parts of KP -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently –

I have no intelletual muscles to comment, but from the point of view of comprehensive peripheral knowledge acquisiion, why not?

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu. "

With due regard to your expertise in the field of Astrology, I request you participate more and more and help me to acquire additional knowledge.

Regards,

K Jagadishrao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

dear Taarun and all members

it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system

Kp system to be understood as -

1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some western principles-

2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results - benefic/malefis and the timing of events -

3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged in the KP system.

4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but littele attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the results-

5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP system -

6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.

7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas , shodasavarga, Ashtakavarga etc.,

and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,

8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own merits / demerits - and developed in different times and different parts of the world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on the nature of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-

for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are grouped in a bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., - because the KP system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign lord / star lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30 degrees in rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study they go to shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -

9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the priniciples of that system meticulously and do not mix different systems.

My idea is to tell ---

that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP system - but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be formed - each chart to be studied independently -

WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN OTHER SYSTEMS CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -

tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.

rao chitturu.

~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote:

helllo members,

due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.

saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.

the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.

Thanks

tarun

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Dear Raichurji,

After your mail i am calculet chart and found that 7th sub is VEN not signifies 2,7,11 Runing dasa is Rahu not signifies 2,7,11 7th sub Ven is in the star of Rahu and Rahu is in Mithuna , multipal marriage indication seen in this chart.Bukti runing is SAT and SAT aspect 2nd cusp by 3rd aspect( as per hindu aspect) so if we want to take chance we say that in Sun,Mar,Moon antra from 26/09/2006 to 12/04/2007 is likly time for marriage.

Regards

kanak

anant raichur <anant_1608 To: Subject: Re: Re: saturn+ moonSun, 28 Aug 2005 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)

Dear Tin Win

Has any member solved the question of Marriage of the girl Born on 25 th Jul 1982, Chembur-Mumbai at 12,17 hrs ?

If no body has done it so far I may try the 4 step metod and get an answer

I will wait for 3 days, before posting my analysis

good lucktw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,1. Thank you for sharing your knowledge which is interesting for our practical study. 2. Of course, it can not be taken literally for your humble "only a learner", like Sri Raichur saying "intermediate" to give example for others.3. It will be highly appreciated if you could tell us a little more about the timing of marriage of that female native mentioned by Satish.Thanks and regards,tw-- In , Punit Pandey wrote:> Tw ji,> I am no Lal Kitab expert but only a learner. According to my understanding > of LK, the chart is not a good chart from marriage and financial > perspective. The female mentioned by Satish ji will not enjoy happy married > life; remedies may help. Few other observations are as follows, just to > ascertain the nature of Saturn and Moon -> 1. The girl may be having some problem related to eyesight.> 2. When the girl was 12, the family would have faced the theft or sudden > loss of money. The same possibility is there too in this year's chart.> 3. This combination can also cause general fear in her mind our unforeseen > troubles which destroys her sleep and peace of mind. > Satish ji, your feedback will be required.> Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> > On 8/28/05, tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear Punit,> > > > 1. As I know you're Lal Kitab expert, could you be kind enough to> > explain how Lal Kitab's indication will be for the combination of> > Moon & Saturn in the girl's chart given by Satish to be able to> > compare with KP analysis. Her chart is in Msg#5941.> > > > 2. In KP generally Punarpho does not mean to over rule whatsoever> > is to be given by constellation and sublord rules but it may be a> > warning sign of dealy or troubles. For example, in Vaikari> > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000, p 38, run away of his bride with> > her lover at the first night but the native with Punarpho got> > married next day with her younger and more beautiful sister thanks> > to her arrangement.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , Punit Pandey wrote:> > > Friends,> > > Here is what Lal Kitab says about the yoga -> > > Conjoined together Moon and Saturn is like a blind horse (Punit:> > native> > > wants to do something and end up with doing something else) /> > damaged> > > floating house/ self inflicting weapon/ bloody well/ poison in> > milk. If one> > > is benefic, the other one will be malefic. Effect of both will be> > damaged.> > > Both will be together till 44 years of of age and act like an> > artificial> > > debilitated Ketu. As Saturn effect is afflicted, Moon effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > effect is> > > correspondingly debilitated by 1/3. As Moon improves, Saturn's> > effect goes.> > > Out of the two planets, witch is more powerful will be decided by> > the shape> > > of the eye.> > > In case of Benefic combination -> > > If there is some other even / equivalent planet with them, Moon-> > Saturn> > > combination will give wealth. Saturn will give help.> > > In case of Malefic combination -> > > Philandering will cause destruction. His wealth will be enjoyed> > by his> > > wife, her relatives and his friends. Sadness and depression.> > Person will not> > > be able to enjoy his own earnings. Sudden tragedy, loss of> > eyesight, Cross> > > eyed, single eyed, heart problems.> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > On 8/25/05, rao chitturu wrote:> > > >> > > > dear Taarun and all members> > > > it is good to refer BPHS -even while reading KP system> > > > Kp system to be understood as -> > > > 1. a system where Hindu traditional system is blended with some> > western> > > > principles-> > > > 2. it is an easy way to arrive at the bhava results -> > benefic/malefis and> > > > the timing of events -> > > > 3. the rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhaava tatwa has not chnaged> > in the KP> > > > system.> > > > 4. use of sub-lords for bhavas and planets - do confuse - but> > littele> > > > attention and with keen senses one can easily arrive at the> > results-> > > > 5. One who is good in traditional system can do best in KP> > system -> > > > 6. There is no KP system if Hindu traditional system is ignored.> > > > 7. KP helps to avoid the calculation of Shadbalas ,> > shodasavarga,> > > > Ashtakavarga etc.,> > > > and the blind faith of exaltations, yogas etc.,> > > > 8. It is one of the proved systems - each system has it's own> > merits /> > > > demerits - and developed in different times and different parts> > of the> > > > world. Suitability of a system to a particular chart depends on> > the nature> > > > of the chart - besides the experience of the Astrologer-> > > > for exampe - KP system can best be applied where planets are> > grouped in a> > > > bhava - or planets are in bhava sandhi / rasi sandhi etc., -> > because the KP> > > > system consider the degre where the planet is posited - its sign> > lord / star> > > > lord / sub-lord - where as in traditional system a span of 30> > degrees in> > > > rasi / 3deg.20mts in navamsa etc., are taken - for minute study> > they go to> > > > shodasavargas in tradit5ional system -> > > > 9. If a chart is studutied in one system apply all the> > priniciples of that> > > > system meticulously and do not mix different systems.> > > > My idea is to tell ---> > > > that BPHS - rules can also be applied while reading charts in KP> > system -> > > > but apply as per the context - no straight forward rules can be> > formed -> > > > each chart to be studied independently -> > > > WHAT IF GIVEN ABOUT GRAHA TATWA/BHAVA TATWA / RASI TATWA IN> > OTHER SYSTEMS> > > > CAN AS WELL BE ADOPTED IN kp SYSTEM -> > > > tHESE ARE MY VIEWS AND EXPERIENSES.> > > > rao chitturu.> > > >> > > >> > > > *~~Tarun~~ * wrote:> > > >> > > > helllo members,> > > >> > > > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in> > discussion> > > > ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > > >> > > > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know> > that bphs is> > > > not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m> > including> > > > that thing.> > > >> > > > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to> > blood.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > tarun> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > - Visit your> > group ""> > > > on the web.> > > > -

August 29, 2005

Dear Mr.Seshadri,

Thank you very much for your offer. I consider your offer as MAGNANIMOUS. I would like to take advantage of your generosity and try to explore the myth about conjunctions, particularly Sat + ..... I will try and prepare a small agenda with some time frame - first about Saturn and the life pattern in its Mahadasha as the main subject / primary objective and attach conjunctions say starting with Moon as incidental objective. There are any number of myths and misnomer about Saturn.

I have had the worst experience with Astrolgoy, since almost over three decades. I have invariably scanned entire Bangalore, not to leave out the celebrities with National and perhaps International Brand Equity. Any one will be surprised by my remark, but unfortunately it is true. I was behind every kind of Astrologer in Bangalore and the predictions given by them were a potential pollutant even for dust bin. These points prompted me to learn myself and now thank God, I am close to reading my own chart along with my very close associates.

I am sure with your offer, I feel that both of us may be of some use to the society in general. If not anything big, atleast the wrong can be minimised. I have been closely watching some people being grossly mislead by Astrologers in daily life. Any way it is just that Karmic theory dominates and translates into fate.

If there is harmony in the Forum without ego clash or heierarchy, which I am yet to be sure, I will proceed with a small questioner. If things are unfavourable, with your permission I shall mail it to your privte e-mail ID.

Regards,

K JagadishSesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote:

If it is of help, here is my birth data. I have moon, saturn, Jupiter, mercury all conjunct. Sun slightly distant.

DOB :06.05.1940

TOB: 8.32 AM

Place Kumbakonam

Tamil Nadu

You can use me as case study and ask any questions that you may have.

Best regards,

Seshadritw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Tarun, Excuse me, Group, to say very sorry for Tarun.1. Saravali by Kalyana Varma12. MOON-SATURN YOGA. Should the Moon and Saturn be together, the native will possess a decayed wife, be dear to public, will breed elephants and horses, be devoid of virtues, be under the control of others, unwealthy and defeated. 2. Yogas in Astrology by Dr. K S Charak page 6111. Moon-Saturn: Born of a widow remarried, attached to an old woman, given to pleasure of the flesh, bereft of grace, wealth and valour, tends horses and elephants.----------------------------Additional features from the Manasagari: Moon-Saturn conjunction destroys wealth, health, as well as near and dear ones.3. What is said in Brihat Parashara Hora Sashtra, in which Chapter? It can't be found

easily.Regards,tw , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote:> > helllo members,> > due to internet trouble i was not able to take part in discussion ...because i m too a saturn+moon candidate.> > saturn+ moon creates a raj yoga specified as per BPHS, i know that bphs is not considered in KP but its a part of indian astrology so i m including that thing.> > the saturn+ moon person is effected with disease related to blood.> > Thanks> > tarun> > > > Start your day with - make it your home page

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