Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear TW Mumbai-Cehmbur Lat 19n04 long 72e54 good luckrsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Tw,The girl was born in Chembur Mumbai,Mr Raichur can provide you the coordinates.Rgds,Satish-- In , anant raichur wrote:> Dear List> KP requires Birth details as accurately as is possible. > > Mumbai is such a big city, especially in NS direction, so Latitude changes from one > > suburb to another. > > The Lat and Long given by satish is For Coloba Observatory. It is good enough for Traditinal> > Horoscope. > > Similar is the Case for Kolkatta, Chenne, and Delhi. The lat long of suburbs in these cities can > > be found if requred.> > good luck> > > rsatish1942 wrote:> > Dear Tw,> > Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai > 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her > father just rang me up.> > Thanks,> > Satish> > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > Dear Satish,> > > > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at > for > > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK,> > > > "My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > > research and you may reach to further truth."> > > > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to > eat. > > > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > , "rsatish1942" > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka > for > > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative > state > > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly > seen > > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > > analyses.> > > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead > of > > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind > forming > > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > > documented > > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > > my > > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a > year > > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > > Vrishaba Lagna person.> > > > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > > Moon-> > > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > > marriage.present age 23 yrs.> > > > > > With Regards,> > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > > Dear Udupa,> > > > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > > giving > > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in > Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled > according > > > to > > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > > page > > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)> 1995 > > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > > Raichur,KPYB > > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), > KPYB > > > > 2005, page 58-62.> > > > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > > job, > > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is > supreme.> > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa > wrote:> > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > > has > > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. > Probably > > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > > formaula > > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in > the > > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > > All > > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > > on > > > > the basis of KP system?> > > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also > is > > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > > accodring > > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? > If > > we > > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles > we > > > may > > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations.> > > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > > using > > > KP > > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted.> > > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > > menbers.> > > > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-> 80, > > > KP > > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year > Book > > > > (KPYB) > > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > > Raichur > > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)> > > > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > > is > > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > > 2002 > > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > > destroy > > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by > 3 > > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > > b/ > > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ > not > > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > > chart > > > > > which can not be studied by original KP.> > > > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > > troubles > > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > > Balachandran) > > > If > > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > > charts, > > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > > not > > > > by > > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > > study > > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > > because > > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 > given > > > > below > > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by > Kar's > > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > > experience > > > > > in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB > > > 2005 > > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > > Raichur > > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > > than > > > > one > > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > > multimarriage > > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > > charts > > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 > houses > > > can > > > > > cause cancer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > > 3) > > > p > > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > > first > > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > > second > > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, > no > > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > > 80, > > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > > delay > > > > in > > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, > no > > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > > satisfaction if not success> > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple > of > > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms > of > > > the > > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > > signified > > > > by > > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the > small > > > > patch > > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn > (100% > > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > > constellation > > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > > either > > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi > in > > > > > Jupiter Dasha.> > > > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in > continuous > > > > touch > > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > > online), > > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in > his > > > > books > > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is > signifying > > > any > > > > of > > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has > any > > > link > > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) > at > > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > > lord > > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > > Perhaps, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > > the > > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > > seen > > > > any > > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a > case > > > > > of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > > in > > > a > > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed > Global > > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of > K > > > > > Baskaran's books on> > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" > > > > > and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > > and > > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses > 1 > > & > > > 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > > was > > > a > > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very > much > > > > there > > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but > 12th > > > > cusp. > > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in > either > > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > > short > > > > of > > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > > discussed.> > > > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > > Yogas > > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, > sublord > > > and > > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > > application > > > > of > > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be > filtered, > > > but > > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > > human > > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > > atleast > > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who > might > > > have > > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur wrote:> > > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > > whenevr > > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > > Keep > > > a > > > > > Diary.> > > > > > > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 wrote:> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > > rationalised > > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while > Moon > > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does > not > > > give > > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > > phenomenon.> > > > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > > conflicts,marriage > > > is > > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic > astrology > > > we > > > > > take > > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > > difference > > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > > total > > > > > > by 2)> > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > > observe > > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > > faithfully > > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > > level.This > > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > > Moon > > > > dasa> > > > > > would qualify better.> > > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > > been > > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements > like > > > sub > > > > of > > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 > houses.Latest > > is > > > > to > > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > > social/legal > > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is > a > > > > cold > > > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > > > marriage > > > > > has > > > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > > > into > > > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .> > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically > > quoting > > > > the > > > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > > > issue. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > > > have > > > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who > were > > > > kind > > > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > > > about > > > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You > > have > > > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > > > understanding.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > > > qualitative > > > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > > > quantitative > > > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction > is > > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The > quotation > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > books have been specifically mentioned.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon > > is > > > in > > > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > > > retarded > > > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > > > mental > > > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, > nevertheless > > > the > > > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here > that > > > > since > > > > > KP > > > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do > > not > > > > know > > > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only > lead > > > to > > > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP > for > > > sure > > > > > is > > > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a > part > > > and > > > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in > > any > > > > > number > > > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal > > interlinks > > > > > etc. > > > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I > > am > > > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > > > that > > > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the > > analysis > > > > > could > > > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > > > attempt > > > > > must > > > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > > > Vedic > > > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > > > Amavasya, > > > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) > etc., > > > > apart > > > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > > > various > > > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation > and > > > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > > > have > > > > to > > > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, > along > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I > > have > > > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > > > took > > > > > > solace in KP System.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and > update > > > the > > > > > Forum > > > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from > > the > > > > > point > > > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Jagadish K,> > > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether > > to > > > > > agree > > > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all...> > > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote:> > > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis > > of > > > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential > to > > > draw > > > > > any > > > > > > conclusion. === message truncated === --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear List Members I get ASC as Libra 2-12-47- : Moon is same Virgo 8-43-26 with lat 19,03 and long 72e54 rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear friends,I had prepared the chart of the young lady,using Mr Raichur's software.DOB 25-7-1982,time 12-17p.m.(noon),Mumbai 18-58/72-50. the printout shows Sid time 7-48-58,ayanamsa 23-31-24.With the software Asc is Tula 2-9-59,Moon8-43-26.dasa bal sun 0-209 days,ends on19-2-83.I rechecked now ,the girl was born at Chembur, Mumbai.Regards,Satish.Jagannath Hora gives same lagna , "Kanak Bosmia" wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, 1. Thank you. The real reason is giving TOB as " 12:07 pm " in Msg#5912 not " 12:17 " that now we are talking. Out of so many localities of Mumbai shown by KPAstro 2.1, for Mumbai-CHEMBUR lat 19N03 and long 72E53, almost the same as given in Msg#5936 Mumbai- Cehmbur Lat 19n04 long 72e54 and in Msg#5937 lat 19,03 and long 72e54. 2. For lat 19,03 and long 72e54 in Msg#5937, KPAstro 2.1 gives Asc Li 02:11:21 & Moon, and Jagannatha Hora 7.02 for same NKPA 23-31-24 & Sid Time 07-49-13 Asc Li 02-11-21 & Moon Vi 08-44-44, not significant differences with yours ASC as Libra 2-12-47- : Moon is same Virgo 8-43-26 with lat 19,03 and long 72e54 in Msg#5937. 3. We have to judge the adjusted chart with a new 7CSL of Venus not Saturn before. Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear List Members > > I get ASC as Libra 2-12-47- : Moon is same Virgo 8-43-26 with lat 19,03 and long 72e54 > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > Dear friends, > > I had prepared the chart of the young lady,using Mr Raichur's > software.DOB 25-7-1982,time 12-17p.m.(noon),Mumbai 18-58/72-50. the > printout shows Sid time 7-48-58,ayanamsa 23-31-24. > > With the software Asc is Tula 2-9-59,Moon8-43-26.dasa bal sun 0- 209 > days,ends on19-2-83. > I rechecked now ,the girl was born at Chembur, Mumbai. > > Regards, > > Satish. > > Jagannath Hora gives same lagna > > > , " Kanak Bosmia " > wrote: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Kanak, Thank you for sharing your expereience. Let us see the adjusted chart again. Regards, tw , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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