Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Virgo 24 degrees means MERC /Mars/Mars. Since Saturn is not found in the Lords of Moon, and Moon is not in the Lords of Saturn, this is not a case of Punarphoo. However, with a Rapt conjunction , Moon in its dasa will give Results of Saturn, and Saturn in its Dasa will give results of Moon. connected. In this case they will give reults of Star Lord Mars, depending on where he is situated and the houses he actually owns (5th and 10th). So there is no direct connection with marriage, unless Mars is in 7th house. please await response of other seniors. good luck rk bv <ravi_bvrk wrote: hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood. rk bv <ravi_bvrk wrote: hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear Jagadish K, I have quoted from a research article,by very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own experiences,for the benefit of us all... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote: It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood. rk bv <ravi_bvrk wrote: hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear rk, 24 deg Virgo means Mars star Venus sub... You have not given the positions of Mars & Venus...even so, as Punarphoo occurs in the IIIrd house it is envisaged that repeated negotiations due to some disagreements will be necessitated,in marriage negotiations...many impediments will crop up,it is indicated... Does cancellation of Punarphoo exist ? Rules were given earlier... I suggest that in future such queries should be accompanied by full details of the chart,cast according to K.P., using the latest K.P.Ayanamsa...for a comprehensive reply... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! rk bv <ravi_bvrk wrote: hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind enough to enlighten me and the Forum. Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / understanding. About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the books have been specifically mentioned. I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took solace in KP System. Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point of view of research. Regards, K Jagadish Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Jagadish K, I have quoted from a research article,by very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own experiences,for the benefit of us all... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Jagadish K <kjagadish48 wrote: It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood. rk bv <ravi_bvrk wrote: hi astrologers wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... waiting 4 ur reply Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear friends, In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is rationalised with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we take an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. difference between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add , & divide total by 2) I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa would qualify better. As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage has gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . With regards, Satish , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote: > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / understanding. > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the books have been specifically mentioned. > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took solace in KP System. > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point of view of research. > > Regards, > > K Jagadish > > Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Jagadish K, > I have quoted from a research article,by very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own experiences,for the benefit of us all... > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote: > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood. > > rk bv <ravi_bvrk> wrote: > hi astrologers > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr Transit Moon passes over one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a Diary. good luckrsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear friends,In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is rationalised with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon.Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we take an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. difference between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total by 2)I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasawould qualify better.As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage has gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .With regards,Satish , Jagadish K wrote:> Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / understanding.> > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the books have been specifically mentioned.> > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took solace in KP System.> > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point of view of research. > > Regards,> > K Jagadish> > Lajmi wrote:> Dear Jagadish K,> I have quoted from a research article,by very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own experiences,for the benefit of us all...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > Jagadish K wrote:> It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood.> > rk bv wrote:> hi astrologers > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of satisfaction if not success Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in Jupiter Dasha. My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K Baskaran's books on Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have the so called undesirable conjunctions. Regards anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr Transit Moon passes over one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a Diary. good luckrsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear friends,In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is rationalised with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon.Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we take an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. difference between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total by 2)I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasawould qualify better.As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage has gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .With regards,Satish , Jagadish K wrote:> Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / understanding.> > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the books have been specifically mentioned.> > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took solace in KP System.> > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point of view of research. > > Regards,> > K Jagadish> > Lajmi wrote:> Dear Jagadish K,> I have quoted from a research article,by very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own experiences,for the benefit of us all...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > Jagadish K wrote:> It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any conclusion. > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I have understood.> > rk bv wrote:> hi astrologers > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem with marriage ? plz.... > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear All, 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart which can not be studied by original KP. 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by words, only by action. 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB 2005 page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can cause cancer. 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. Regards, tw , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote: > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of satisfaction if not success > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in Jupiter Dasha. > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K Baskaran's books on > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > Regards > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr Transit Moon passes over > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a Diary. > > good luck > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > Dear friends, > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is rationalised > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we take > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. difference > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > by 2) > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa > would qualify better. > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage has > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > With regards, > > Satish > > > > , Jagadish K > wrote: > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > understanding. > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > solace in KP System. > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point > of view of research. > > > > Regards, > > > > K Jagadish > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > Dear Jagadish K, > > I have quoted from a research article,by > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any > conclusion. > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > have understood. > > > > rk bv wrote: > > hi astrologers > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem > with marriage ? plz.... > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests > and lots more. > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests > and lots more. > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear friends, The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on the basis of KP system? This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers. Udupa tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear All,1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart which can not be studied by original KP.3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by words, only by action. 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB 2005 page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can cause cancer.1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.Regards,tw , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> wrote:> Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of satisfaction if not success> > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in Jupiter Dasha.> > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K Baskaran's books on> Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2.> > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed.> > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > Regards> > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr Transit Moon passes over > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a Diary.> > good luck> > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote:> Dear friends,> > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is rationalised > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon.> > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we take > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. difference > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > by 2)> > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa> would qualify better.> As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage has > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .> > With regards,> > Satish> > > > , Jagadish K > wrote:> > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I am > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > understanding.> > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally qualitative > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based on > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from the > books have been specifically mentioned.> > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally retarded > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since KP > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure is > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any number > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks etc. > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis could > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and knowledge > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt must > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > solace in KP System.> > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the Forum > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the point > of view of research. > > > > Regards,> > > > K Jagadish> > > > Lajmi wrote:> > Dear Jagadish K,> > I have quoted from a research article,by > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to agree > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could have > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > experiences,for the benefit of us all...> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote:> > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw any > conclusion. > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > have understood.> > > > rk bv wrote:> > hi astrologers > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 in > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any problem > with marriage ? plz.... > > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests > and lots more. > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests > and lots more. > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Udupa, Yes, I would also believe that KP analysis would separately point out any problem like PP etc. Similar is the case of Kala-Sarpa yoga. Its effects are much talked about in general way in many astro circles. But in Kp we ca exactly find out what type of problems are to be suffered by analysing various cusps. Similarly what so ever Yogas are present in the chart, we may ignore that, and analyse any aspect of the native's life by cusp analysis. These yogas atbest only can give you a vague idea of general nature. If you are meticuleously analsying dasa/bhukti/antra/shukshama with refence to cusps you need not look into pp or KSY or other simalr things. Inder , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > Dear friends, > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on the basis of KP system? > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers. > Udupa > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear All, > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > which can not be studied by original KP. > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by > words, only by action. > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB 2005 > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > cause cancer. > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > Regards, > > tw > > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > wrote: > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > satisfaction if not success > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > Baskaran's books on > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr > Transit Moon passes over > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > Diary. > > > > good luck > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > rationalised > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > take > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > difference > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > by 2) > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa > > would qualify better. > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage > has > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > With regards, > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I > am > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > understanding. > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > qualitative > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based > on > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from > the > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > retarded > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since > KP > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > is > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > number > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > etc. > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > could > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > knowledge > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > must > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > Forum > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > point > > of view of research. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > agree > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > have > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > any > > conclusion. > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > > have understood. > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > hi astrologers > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 > in > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > problem > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Udupa, 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before giving any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled according to Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 page 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)1995 page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. Raichur,KPYB 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), KPYB 2005, page 58-62. 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad job, bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is supreme. tw , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > Dear friends, > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on the basis of KP system? > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers. > Udupa > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > Dear All, > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > which can not be studied by original KP. > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by > words, only by action. > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB 2005 > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > cause cancer. > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > Regards, > > tw > > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > wrote: > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > satisfaction if not success > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > Baskaran's books on > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr > Transit Moon passes over > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > Diary. > > > > good luck > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > rationalised > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > take > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > difference > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > by 2) > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa > > would qualify better. > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage > has > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > With regards, > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I > am > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > understanding. > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > qualitative > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based > on > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from > the > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > retarded > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since > KP > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > is > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > number > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > etc. > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > could > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > knowledge > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > must > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > Forum > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > point > > of view of research. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > agree > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > have > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > any > > conclusion. > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > > have understood. > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > hi astrologers > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 > in > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > problem > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear friends, The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka for the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative state of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly seen in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP analyses. What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead of the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind forming applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have documented proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in my life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a year ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a Vrishaba Lagna person. I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with Moon- Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is marriage.present age 23 yrs. With Regards, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Udupa, > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before giving > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in Vaikari > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled according to > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 page > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)1995 > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. Raichur,KPYB > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), KPYB > 2005, page 58-62. > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad job, > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is supreme. > > tw > > > , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on > the basis of KP system? > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers. > > Udupa > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book > (KPYB) > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > Raichur > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > destroy > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > troubles > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > charts, > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not > by > > words, only by action. > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > because > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given > below > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB 2005 > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than > one > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > > cause cancer. > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay > in > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > > wrote: > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified > by > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small > patch > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > constellation > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous > touch > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > online), > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his > books > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any > of > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I > am > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen > any > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > > Baskaran's books on > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much > there > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th > cusp. > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short > of > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application > of > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > whenevr > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > > Diary. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > rationalised > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > > take > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > difference > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > > by 2) > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > faithfully > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > level.This > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon > dasa > > > would qualify better. > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub > of > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is > to > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > social/legal > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a > cold > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > marriage > > has > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting > the > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. > I > > am > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were > kind > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > qualitative > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is > based > > on > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation > from > > the > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > retarded > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that > since > > KP > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not > know > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > > is > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > > number > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > > etc. > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > > could > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > knowledge > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > > must > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > Amavasya, > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., > apart > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > various > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have > to > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with > a > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > > Forum > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > > point > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > > agree > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > > have > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > > any > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know > the > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > marriage > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what > I > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > hi astrologers > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of > 24 > > in > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > > problem > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Inder, You seem to be "refusing to experiment and find out for yourself",also, you seem to be intent on quoting traditional astrology. (in your effort to decry K.P.,repeatedly...? ? !) K.P. principles have been quoted,quite a few examples have been made available,but if you keep insisting,harping upon the same thing on and on...how can any body help a person who refuses to agree...or even do research with some live horoscopes...? Pl. refer to an enlightening article by Shri A.R.Raichur... "Marriage Punarphoo and K.P.",K.P. & Astrology,Annual,1997,Pp67-68. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Udupa,Yes, I would also believe that KP analysis would separately point out any problem like PP etc. Similar is the case of Kala-Sarpa yoga.Its effects are much talked about in general way in many astro circles. But in Kp we ca exactly find out what type of problems are to be suffered by analysing various cusps.Similarly what so ever Yogas are present in the chart, we may ignore that, and analyse any aspect of the native's life by cusp analysis.These yogas atbest only can give you a vague idea of general nature.If you are meticuleously analsying dasa/bhukti/antra/shukshama with refence to cusps you need not look into pp or KSY or other simalr things.Inder , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:> Dear friends,> The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on the basis of KP system?> This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations.> Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP whether the corresponding effects can be predicted.> This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers.> Udupa> > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)> > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > which can not be studied by original KP.> > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by > words, only by action. > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB 2005 > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > cause cancer.> > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.> > > Regards,> > tw> > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > wrote:> > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > satisfaction if not success> > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > Jupiter Dasha.> > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > Baskaran's books on> > Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" > and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2.> > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed.> > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr > Transit Moon passes over > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > Diary.> > > > good luck> > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote:> > Dear friends,> > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > rationalised > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon.> > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > take > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > difference > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > by 2)> > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa> > would qualify better.> > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage > has > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .> > > > With regards,> > > > Satish> > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > wrote:> > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I > am > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > understanding.> > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > qualitative > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based > on > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from > the > > books have been specifically mentioned.> > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > retarded > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since > KP > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > is > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > number > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > etc. > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > could > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > knowledge > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > must > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > solace in KP System.> > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > Forum > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > point > > of view of research. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > K Jagadish> > > > > > Lajmi wrote:> > > Dear Jagadish K,> > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > agree > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > have > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > experiences,for the benefit of us all...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote:> > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > any > > conclusion. > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > > have understood.> > > > > > rk bv wrote:> > > hi astrologers > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 > in > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > problem > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Satish, 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of Saturn (especally if there is PP). 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at for those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a valuable statement of our Guruji KSK, " My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth. " 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to eat. 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. Regards, tw , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka for > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative state > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly seen > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > analyses. > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead of > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind forming > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have documented > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in my > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a year > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > Vrishaba Lagna person. > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with Moon- > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > marriage.present age 23 yrs. > > With Regards, > > Satish > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Udupa, > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before giving > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in Vaikari > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled according > to > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 page > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)1995 > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. Raichur,KPYB > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), KPYB > > 2005, page 58-62. > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad job, > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is supreme. > > > > tw > > > > > > , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on > > the basis of KP system? > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we > may > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using > KP > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > menbers. > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, > KP > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book > > (KPYB) > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > Raichur > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > 2002 > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > destroy > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > troubles > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) > If > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > charts, > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not > > by > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > because > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given > > below > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > experience > > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB > 2005 > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than > > one > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > charts > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses > can > > > cause cancer. > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) > p > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > first > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > second > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay > > in > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > > > wrote: > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of > the > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > signified > > by > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small > > patch > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > constellation > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > either > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous > > touch > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > online), > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his > > books > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying > any > > of > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any > link > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, > I > > am > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen > > any > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in > a > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > > > Baskaran's books on > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & > 2. > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was > a > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much > > there > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th > > cusp. > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short > > of > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > Yogas > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord > and > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > application > > of > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, > but > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > human > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > atleast > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might > have > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > whenevr > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep > a > > > Diary. > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > rationalised > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not > give > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage > is > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology > we > > > take > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > difference > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > > > by 2) > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > faithfully > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > level.This > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon > > dasa > > > > would qualify better. > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like > sub > > of > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is > > to > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > social/legal > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a > > cold > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > marriage > > > has > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > into > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting > > the > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > issue. > > I > > > am > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > have > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were > > kind > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > about > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > qualitative > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > quantitative > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is > > based > > > on > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation > > from > > > the > > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is > in > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > retarded > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > mental > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless > the > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that > > since > > > KP > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not > > know > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead > to > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for > sure > > > is > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part > and > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > > > number > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > > > etc. > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > that > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > > > could > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > knowledge > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > attempt > > > must > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > Vedic > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > Amavasya, > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., > > apart > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > various > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > have > > to > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along > with > > a > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > took > > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update > the > > > Forum > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > > > point > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > > > agree > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > could > > > have > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to > draw > > > any > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know > > the > > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > > marriage > > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is > what > > I > > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > > hi astrologers > > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of > > 24 > > > in > > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > > > problem > > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Sri.Lajmi ji : It is extremely interesting to read your message . Could you kindly post this article of 1977 , for the benefit of all of us ? It will really educate us and also help us to appreciate KP system. Regards DharYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Inder, You seem to be "refusing to experiment and find out for yourself",also, you seem to be intent on quoting traditional astrology. (in your effort to decry K.P.,repeatedly...? ? !) K.P. principles have been quoted,quite a few examples have been made available,but if you keep insisting,harping upon the same thing on and on...how can any body help a person who refuses to agree...or even do research with some live horoscopes...? Pl. refer to an enlightening article by Shri A.R.Raichur... "Marriage Punarphoo and K.P.",K.P. & Astrology,Annual,1997,Pp67-68. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear Udupa,Yes, I would also believe that KP analysis would separately point out any problem like PP etc. Similar is the case of Kala-Sarpa yoga.Its effects are much talked about in general way in many astro circles. But in Kp we ca exactly find out what type of problems are to be suffered by analysing various cusps.Similarly what so ever Yogas are present in the chart, we may ignore that, and analyse any aspect of the native's life by cusp analysis.These yogas atbest only can give you a vague idea of general nature.If you are meticuleously analsying dasa/bhukti/antra/shukshama with refence to cusps you need not look into pp or KSY or other simalr things.Inder , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote:> Dear friends,> The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on the basis of KP system?> This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations.> Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP whether the corresponding effects can be predicted.> This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers.> Udupa> > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> Dear All,> > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri Raichur > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)> > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to destroy > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > which can not be studied by original KP.> > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and troubles > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example charts, > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not by > words, only by action. > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination because > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given below > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB 2005 > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than one > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > cause cancer.> > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay in > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.> > > Regards,> > tw> > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > wrote:> > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > satisfaction if not success> > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified by > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small patch > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the constellation > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > Jupiter Dasha.> > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous touch > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically online), > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his books > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any of > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I am > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen any > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > Baskaran's books on> > Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" > and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2.> > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much there > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th cusp. > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short of > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed.> > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application of > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, whenevr > Transit Moon passes over > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > Diary.> > > > good luck> > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote:> > Dear friends,> > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > rationalised > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon.> > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > take > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > difference > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > by 2)> > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and faithfully > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental level.This > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon dasa> > would qualify better.> > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub of > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is to > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by social/legal > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a cold > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means marriage > has > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .> > > > With regards,> > > > Satish> > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > wrote:> > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting the > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. I > am > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were kind > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > understanding.> > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > qualitative > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is based > on > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation from > the > > books have been specifically mentioned.> > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > retarded > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that since > KP > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not know > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > is > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > number > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > etc. > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > could > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > knowledge > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > must > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on Amavasya, > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., apart > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in various > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have to > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with a > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > solace in KP System.> > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > Forum > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > point > > of view of research. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > K Jagadish> > > > > > Lajmi wrote:> > > Dear Jagadish K,> > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > agree > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > have > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > experiences,for the benefit of us all...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote:> > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > any > > conclusion. > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know the > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on marriage > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what I > > have understood.> > > > > > rk bv wrote:> > > hi astrologers > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of 24 > in > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > problem > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, > contests > > and lots more. > > > http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Tw, Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her father just rang me up. Thanks, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Satish, > > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at for > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK, > > " My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > research and you may reach to further truth. " > > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to eat. > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > Regards, > > tw > > , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka for > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative state > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly seen > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > analyses. > > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead of > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind forming > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > documented > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > my > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a year > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > Vrishaba Lagna person. > > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > Moon- > > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > marriage.present age 23 yrs. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear Udupa, > > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > giving > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled according > > to > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > page > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) 1995 > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > Raichur,KPYB > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), KPYB > > > 2005, page 58-62. > > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > job, > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is supreme. > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > has > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > formaula > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > All > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > on > > > the basis of KP system? > > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > accodring > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If > we > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we > > may > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > using > > KP > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > menbers. > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74- 80, > > KP > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book > > > (KPYB) > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > Raichur > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > is > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > 2002 > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > destroy > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > b/ > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > chart > > > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > troubles > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > Balachandran) > > If > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > charts, > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > not > > > by > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > study > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > because > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given > > > below > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > experience > > > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB > > 2005 > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > Raichur > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > than > > > one > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > multimarriage > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > charts > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses > > can > > > > cause cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > 3) > > p > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > first > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > second > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > 80, > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > delay > > > in > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > <kjagadish48> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of > > the > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > signified > > > by > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small > > > patch > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > constellation > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > either > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > > > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous > > > touch > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > online), > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his > > > books > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying > > any > > > of > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any > > link > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > lord > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > Perhaps, > > I > > > am > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > the > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > seen > > > any > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > > > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > in > > a > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > > > > Baskaran's books on > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > and > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 > & > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > was > > a > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much > > > there > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th > > > cusp. > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > short > > > of > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > discussed. > > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > Yogas > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord > > and > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > application > > > of > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, > > but > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > human > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > atleast > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might > > have > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > whenevr > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > Keep > > a > > > > Diary. > > > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > rationalised > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not > > give > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > conflicts,marriage > > is > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology > > we > > > > take > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > difference > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > total > > > > > by 2) > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > observe > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > faithfully > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > level.This > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > Moon > > > dasa > > > > > would qualify better. > > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > been > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like > > sub > > > of > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest > is > > > to > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > social/legal > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a > > > cold > > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > > marriage > > > > has > > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > > into > > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically > quoting > > > the > > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > > issue. > > > I > > > > am > > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > > have > > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were > > > kind > > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > > about > > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You > have > > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > > qualitative > > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > > quantitative > > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is > > > based > > > > on > > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation > > > from > > > > the > > > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon > is > > in > > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > > retarded > > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > > mental > > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless > > the > > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that > > > since > > > > KP > > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do > not > > > know > > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead > > to > > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for > > sure > > > > is > > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part > > and > > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in > any > > > > number > > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal > interlinks > > > > etc. > > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I > am > > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > > that > > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the > analysis > > > > could > > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > > knowledge > > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > > attempt > > > > must > > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > > Vedic > > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > > Amavasya, > > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., > > > apart > > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > > various > > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > > have > > > to > > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along > > with > > > a > > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I > have > > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > > took > > > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update > > the > > > > Forum > > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from > the > > > > point > > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether > to > > > > agree > > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > > could > > > > have > > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis > of > > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to > > draw > > > > any > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to > know > > > the > > > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > > > marriage > > > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is > > what > > > I > > > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > > > hi astrologers > > > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree > of > > > 24 > > > > in > > > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > > > > problem > > > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Satish, 1. Firstly, the chart is interesting for KP learners like me. But Asc is Virgo not Libra. For the same 2003 KPA, Sri Raichur's SW gives Asc 29-49-42 Vi & Moon 08-37-49 Vi; the same Stl, Sbl; Jagannantha Hora 7.02 Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-08 Vi, and Astrodienst Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-07 Li; KPAstro 2.1 and Astrodienst are exactly the same and they are close to Jagannantha Hora 7.02 since all these three SWs are using Swiss ephemeris. 2. Secondly, the marriage is promised because 7CSL Saturn's Sbl Sun is 11th lord, even though Saturn is signifying only 12-12-5 houses. (Plt Sa--12-5 houses, Stl Mo 12, Sbl Su—10-11, Stl Sa 12-5) 3. Thirdly, Punarpho is cancelled because; a/ Su in Sa star; and b/ Mo in Su star. However it may need to consider whether Sa may portend denial and disappointment by throwing only its aspect without having connection with houses 2,7 & 11. (KP Reader III page 109) By indication of 11th by Sbl of Sa, can we take Sa is signifying 11th? By 4-step theory it may be so. 4. Fourthly, marriage is possible in current running dasa Rahu by signification of 2nd house. Ra dasa 03-03-2000 to 03-03-2018; Ra/Sa 09-04-05 to 15-02-2008; Ra/Sa/Sa 09-04-2005 to 21-09-2005. 5. Fifthly, whether it is possible in Sa bhukti depends on the consideration of above pt 3. Even if it is accepted positively, as we all know Saturn may drag on until the end of its time. In addition, negative signification of 12 & 10 houses are in A & B levels of Saturn itself and its Sbl. 6. Sixthly, perhaps the boat was missed during Feb-Mar 2005 during Jupiter bhukti which is the only one strong significator of 7th. As Guruji says how can significator of house 6 or 12 can give marriage since they indicate separation or divorce if already married. Jupiter is also an only one strong significator of 6 house. " ----if a plane happens to be the significator of any of the houses 2,7 and 11 and it itself happens to be the strong and signal significator of the sixth, it will not give the marriage--- " KP Reader III, page 143. Jupiter is 12CSL and as shown by " + " sign in KPAstro 2.1 it does not have any planet in its star, i.e. Jupiter is also a strong significator of 12 th house, which Inder is saying not KP and massing up with cuspal interlinks. 7. Finally, regarding the probable timing of marriage in the near future, as Guruji said, better keep quiet if nothing to say encouraging. Let us request other learned members to share their expertise for the benefit of KP learners. Regards, tw KPAstro 2.1 FEMALE (Satish) Sunday, 25/Jul/1982 Time: 12:07:00 PM Place: MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA, India Latitude: 18:58:00 N Longitude: 72:50:00 E Ayanamsa: 23° 31' 24 " SID: 07:38:55 Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4 Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 7 M, 8 D Su 08:28:52 Cn Mo 08:39:07 Vi Ma 01:21:44 Li Me 08:24:03 Cn Ju 08:01:02 Li Ve 12:00:18 Ge Sa 23:04:36 Vi Ra 18:47:28 Ge Fo 29:58:37 Sc Ke 18:47:28 Sg I 29:48:22 Vi II 29:13:07 Li III 29:02:24 Sc IV 29:23:06 Sg V 00:28:28 Aq VI 01:15:15 Pi VII 29:48:22 Pi VIII 29:13:07 Ar IX 29:02:24 Ta X 29:23:06 Ge XI 00:28:28 Le XII 01:15:15 Vi Planet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl Su Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve Mo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve Ra Ma Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me Ju Me Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve Ve Ju Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra Ve Ve Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa Ra Sa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su Sa Ra Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo Me Ke P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra Sa Fo Jyeshta(4) Ma Me Sa Ju Cusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl 1 Chitra(2) Me Ma Sa Ju 2 Visakha(3) Ve Ju Su Me 3 Jyeshta(4) Ma Me Sa Su 4 U.Ashada(1) Ju Su Ra Ra 5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Me Ve 6 P.Bhadra(4) Ju Ju Ma Su 7 Revati(4) Ju Me Sa Ju 8 Krittika(1) Ma Su Ma Mo 9 Mrigasira(2) Ve Ma Sa Su 10 Punarvasu(3) Me Ju Su Ve 11 Magha(1) Su Ke Ke Ju 12 U.Phalguni(2) Me Su Ju Ju Significators - Planets View A - Planets in Occupant's stars B - Occupant of house C - Planets in Owner's stars D - House Owner E - Planets aspected by A, B, C and D F - Cuspal Sublord In both the tables, A represents the strongest signification and E represents the weakest. Pl A B C D-----------------E------------------------- F Su 12 10 5 11 ---------- 1, 5, 10, 11, 12------------ 2, 10 Mo 10 12 11 -------------5, 10, 11, 12 Ma 1 1 3, 8 3, 8--------- 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9---------6, 8 Me+ 12 10 5 1, 10, 12--1, 5, 10, 11, 12 -----------5 Ju+ 9 1--- 4, 6, 7 --------1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 -------12 Ve 9 9--- 2, 9 -------------1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12 Sa 12 12--- 5 -------------5, 10, 11, 12 -------------1, 3, 7, 9 Ra 9 9 ---------------------1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12- 4 Ke+ 9 3 2, 9 --------------2, 3, 9 ---------------------11 Fo 10 3 1, 10, 12------- 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12 + These planets do not have any planets in their stars. Rahu acts as agent for: Me, Ju, Ve, Sa, Ne. Ketu acts as agent for: Ju, Ve, Ne. Significators - House View H No A B C D ------------------E---------------------- F 1 Ma Ma, Ju Fo Me -------Su, Ma, Me, Ju, Ve, Ra, Fo ----Sa 2 Ke Ve------------------Ve, Ra, Ke, Fo-----------------Su 3 Ke, Fo Ma Ma-----------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra, Ke, Fo --------Sa 4 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Ra 5 Su, Me Sa -------------Su, Mo, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Fo ----Me+ 6 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Ma 7 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Sa 8 Ma Ma -----------------Ma, Ju, Fo-------------------- Ma 9 Ke, Ve, Ra, Ju, Ve, Ra Ke Ve--- Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra, Ke----Sa 10 Mo, Fo Su, Me Fo Me---Su, Mo, Me, Sa, Fo------------ Su 11 Mo Su---------------- Su, Mo, Me, Sa, Fo------------ Ke+ 12 Sa, Su, Me Mo, Sa Fo Me--Su, Mo, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Fo--Ju+ + These planets do not have any planets in their stars. Rahu acts as agent for: Me, Ju, Ve, Sa, Ne. Ketu acts as agent for: Ju, Ve, Ne. , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear Tw, > > Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai > 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her > father just rang me up. > > Thanks, > > Satish > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at > for > > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK, > > > > " My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > > research and you may reach to further truth. " > > > > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to > eat. > > > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , " rsatish1942 " > <rsatish1942> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka > for > > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative > state > > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly > seen > > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > > analyses. > > > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead > of > > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind > forming > > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > > documented > > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > > my > > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a > year > > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > > Vrishaba Lagna person. > > > > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > > Moon- > > > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > > marriage.present age 23 yrs. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear Udupa, > > > > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > > giving > > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in > Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled > according > > > to > > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > > page > > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1995 > > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > > Raichur,KPYB > > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), > KPYB > > > > 2005, page 58-62. > > > > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > > job, > > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is > supreme. > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa <ahudupa> > wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > > has > > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. > Probably > > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > > formaula > > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in > the > > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > > All > > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > > on > > > > the basis of KP system? > > > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also > is > > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > > accodring > > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? > If > > we > > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles > we > > > may > > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > > using > > > KP > > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > > menbers. > > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74- > 80, > > > KP > > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year > Book > > > > (KPYB) > > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > > Raichur > > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > > is > > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > > 2002 > > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > > destroy > > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by > 3 > > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > > b/ > > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ > not > > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > > chart > > > > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > > troubles > > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > > Balachandran) > > > If > > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > > charts, > > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > > not > > > > by > > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > > study > > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > > because > > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 > given > > > > below > > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by > Kar's > > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > > experience > > > > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB > > > 2005 > > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > > Raichur > > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > > than > > > > one > > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > > multimarriage > > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > > charts > > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 > houses > > > can > > > > > cause cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > > 3) > > > p > > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > > first > > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > > second > > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, > no > > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > > 80, > > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > > delay > > > > in > > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, > no > > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > <kjagadish48> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple > of > > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms > of > > > the > > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > > signified > > > > by > > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the > small > > > > patch > > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn > (100% > > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > > constellation > > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > > either > > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi > in > > > > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in > continuous > > > > touch > > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > > online), > > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in > his > > > > books > > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is > signifying > > > any > > > > of > > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has > any > > > link > > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) > at > > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > > lord > > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > > Perhaps, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > > the > > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > > seen > > > > any > > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a > case > > > > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > > in > > > a > > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed > Global > > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of > K > > > > > Baskaran's books on > > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > > > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > > and > > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses > 1 > > & > > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > > was > > > a > > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very > much > > > > there > > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but > 12th > > > > cusp. > > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in > either > > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > > short > > > > of > > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > > discussed. > > > > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > > Yogas > > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, > sublord > > > and > > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > > application > > > > of > > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be > filtered, > > > but > > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > > human > > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > > atleast > > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who > might > > > have > > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > > whenevr > > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > > Keep > > > a > > > > > Diary. > > > > > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > > rationalised > > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while > Moon > > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does > not > > > give > > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > > phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > > conflicts,marriage > > > is > > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic > astrology > > > we > > > > > take > > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > > difference > > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > > total > > > > > > by 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > > observe > > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > > faithfully > > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > > level.This > > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > > Moon > > > > dasa > > > > > > would qualify better. > > > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > > been > > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements > like > > > sub > > > > of > > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 > houses.Latest > > is > > > > to > > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > > social/legal > > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is > a > > > > cold > > > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > > > marriage > > > > > has > > > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > > > into > > > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically > > quoting > > > > the > > > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > > > issue. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > > > have > > > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who > were > > > > kind > > > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > > > about > > > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You > > have > > > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > > > qualitative > > > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > > > quantitative > > > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction > is > > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The > quotation > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon > > is > > > in > > > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > > > retarded > > > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > > > mental > > > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, > nevertheless > > > the > > > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here > that > > > > since > > > > > KP > > > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do > > not > > > > know > > > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only > lead > > > to > > > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP > for > > > sure > > > > > is > > > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a > part > > > and > > > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in > > any > > > > > number > > > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal > > interlinks > > > > > etc. > > > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I > > am > > > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > > > that > > > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the > > analysis > > > > > could > > > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > > > attempt > > > > > must > > > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > > > Vedic > > > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > > > Amavasya, > > > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) > etc., > > > > apart > > > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > > > various > > > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation > and > > > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > > > have > > > > to > > > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, > along > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I > > have > > > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > > > took > > > > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and > update > > > the > > > > > Forum > > > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from > > the > > > > > point > > > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether > > to > > > > > agree > > > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis > > of > > > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential > to > > > draw > > > > > any > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to > > know > > > > the > > > > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > > > > marriage > > > > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is > > > what > > > > I > > > > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > > > > hi astrologers > > > > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same > degree > > of > > > > 24 > > > > > in > > > > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there > any > > > > > problem > > > > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Satish ji, and Tin Win ji,my comment in bold******* Dear Satish,1. Firstly, the chart is interesting for KP learners like me. But Asc is Virgo not Libra. For the same 2003 KPA, Sri Raichur's SW gives Asc 29-49-42 Vi & Moon 08-37-49 Vi; the same Stl, Sbl; Jagannantha Hora 7.02 Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-08 Vi, and Astrodienst Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-07 Li; KPAstro 2.1 and Astrodienst are exactly the same and they are close to Jagannantha Hora 7.02 since all these three SWs are using Swiss ephemeris. as per Raichur's softare Vi29.48.55 2. Secondly, the marriage is promised because 7CSL Saturn's Sbl Sun is 11th lord, even though Saturn is signifying only 12-12-5 houses. (Plt Sa--12-5 houses, Stl Mo 12, Sbl Su—10-11, Stl Sa 12-5)Sat apect 7th house as per hindu aspect.and star lord Moon aspect on 7th also. 3. Thirdly, Punarpho is cancelled because; a/ Su in Sa star; and b/ Mo in Su star. However it may need to consider whether Sa may portend denial and disappointment by throwing only its aspect without having connection with houses 2,7 & 11. (KP Reader III page 109) By indication of 11th by Sbl of Sa, can we take Sa is signifying 11th? By 4-step theory it may be so.4. Fourthly, marriage is possible in current running dasa Rahu by signification of 2nd house. Ra dasa 03-03-2000 to 03-03-2018; Ra/Sa 09-04-05 to 15-02-2008; Ra/Sa/Sa 09-04-2005 to 21-09-2005. Rahu aspected by JUP and JUP is strong significator of 7th.5. Fifthly, whether it is possible in Sa bhukti depends on the consideration of above pt 3. Even if it is accepted positively, as we all know Saturn may drag on until the end of its time. In addition, negative signification of 12 & 10 houses are in A & B levels of Saturn itself and its Sbl Significator of 2,7,11 are Ket,Ven,Jup,Moon,Sun,Rahu. In Ket,Venand Sun antra marriage will promise in my opinion. When Punarphho dosa seen in chart mostly result come in SAT dasa or Bhukti . 6. Sixthly, perhaps the boat was missed during Feb-Mar 2005 during Jupiter bhukti which is the only one strong significator of 7th. As Guruji says how can significator of house 6 or 12 can give marriage since they indicate separation or divorce if already married. Jupiter is also an only one strong significator of 6 house. "----if a plane happens to be the significator of any of the houses 2,7 and 11 and it itself happens to be the strong and signal significator of the sixth, it will not give the marriage---" KP Reader III, page 143. Jupiter is 12CSL and as shown by "+" sign in KPAstro 2.1 it does not have any planet in its star, i.e. Jupiter is also a strong significator of 12 th house, which Inder is saying not KP and massing up with cuspal interlinks. 7. Finally, regarding the probable timing of marriage in the near future, as Guruji said, better keep quiet if nothing to say encouraging. Let us request other learned members to share their expertise for the benefit of KP learners. Never sya negetive to any one Shri KSK worte in one reader about Vaksidhdhi.so allways hope for good. regards kanak Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar–FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear List KP requires Birth details as accurately as is possible. Mumbai is such a big city, especially in NS direction, so Latitude changes from one suburb to another. The Lat and Long given by satish is For Coloba Observatory. It is good enough for Traditinal Horoscope. Similar is the Case for Kolkatta, Chenne, and Delhi. The lat long of suburbs in these cities can be found if requred. good luck rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear Tw,Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her father just rang me up.Thanks,Satish , "tw853" wrote:> Dear Satish,> > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at for > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK,> > "My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > research and you may reach to further truth."> > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to eat. > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > Regards,> > tw> > , "rsatish1942" > wrote:> > > > Dear friends,> > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka for > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative state > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly seen > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > analyses.> > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead of > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind forming > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > documented > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > my > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a year > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > Vrishaba Lagna person.> > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > Moon-> > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > marriage.present age 23 yrs.> > > > With Regards,> > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > Dear Udupa,> > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > giving > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in Vaikari > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled according > > to > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > page > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)1995 > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > Raichur,KPYB > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), KPYB > > > 2005, page 58-62.> > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > job, > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is supreme.> > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa wrote:> > > > Dear friends,> > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > has > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > formaula > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > All > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > on > > > the basis of KP system?> > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > accodring > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If > we > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we > > may > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations.> > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > using > > KP > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted.> > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > menbers.> > > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, > > KP > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book > > > (KPYB) > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > Raichur > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)> > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > is > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > 2002 > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > destroy > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > b/ > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > chart > > > > which can not be studied by original KP.> > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > troubles > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > Balachandran) > > If > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > charts, > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > not > > > by > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > study > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > because > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given > > > below > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > experience > > > > in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB > > 2005 > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > Raichur > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > than > > > one > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > multimarriage > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > charts > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses > > can > > > > cause cancer.> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > 3) > > p > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > first > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > second > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > 80, > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > delay > > > in > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > wrote:> > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > satisfaction if not success> > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of > > the > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > signified > > > by > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small > > > patch > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > constellation > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > either > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > > > > Jupiter Dasha.> > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous > > > touch > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > online), > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his > > > books > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying > > any > > > of > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any > > link > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > lord > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > Perhaps, > > I > > > am > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > the > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > seen > > > any > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > > > > of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > in > > a > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > > > > Baskaran's books on> > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" > > > > and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > and > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 > & > > 2.> > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > was > > a > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much > > > there > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th > > > cusp. > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > short > > > of > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > discussed.> > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > Yogas > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord > > and > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > application > > > of > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, > > but > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > human > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > atleast > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might > > have > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur wrote:> > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > whenevr > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > Keep > > a > > > > Diary.> > > > > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 wrote:> > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > rationalised > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not > > give > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > phenomenon.> > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > conflicts,marriage > > is > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology > > we > > > > take > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > difference > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > total > > > > > by 2)> > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > observe > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > faithfully > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > level.This > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > Moon > > > dasa> > > > > would qualify better.> > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > been > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like > > sub > > > of > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest > is > > > to > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > social/legal > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a > > > cold > > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > > marriage > > > > has > > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > > into > > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts .> > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically > quoting > > > the > > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > > issue. > > > I > > > > am > > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > > have > > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were > > > kind > > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > > about > > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You > have > > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > > understanding.> > > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > > qualitative > > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > > quantitative > > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is > > > based > > > > on > > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation > > > from > > > > the > > > > > books have been specifically mentioned.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon > is > > in > > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > > retarded > > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > > mental > > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless > > the > > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out.> > > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that > > > since > > > > KP > > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do > not > > > know > > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead > > to > > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for > > sure > > > > is > > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part > > and > > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in > any > > > > number > > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal > interlinks > > > > etc. > > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I > am > > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > > that > > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the > analysis > > > > could > > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > > knowledge > > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > > attempt > > > > must > > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else.> > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > > Vedic > > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > > Amavasya, > > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., > > > apart > > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > > various > > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > > have > > > to > > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along > > with > > > a > > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I > have > > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > > took > > > > > solace in KP System.> > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update > > the > > > > Forum > > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from > the > > > > point > > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish> > > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote:> > > > > > Dear Jagadish K,> > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether > to > > > > agree > > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > > could > > > > have > > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all...> > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote:> > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis > of > > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to > > draw > > > > any > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to > know > > > the > > > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > > > marriage > > > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is > > what > > > I > > > > > have understood.> > > > > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote:> > > > > > hi astrologers > > > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree > of > > > 24 > > > > in > > > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > > > > problem > > > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > > > waiting 4 ur reply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Tin Win Please get the Suburb of Mumbai, where the girl is born, and recast the Chart. The Sub lords will change. I can give you the lat/long of the suburb of Mumbai. good luck tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Satish,1. Firstly, the chart is interesting for KP learners like me. But Asc is Virgo not Libra. For the same 2003 KPA, Sri Raichur's SW gives Asc 29-49-42 Vi & Moon 08-37-49 Vi; the same Stl, Sbl; Jagannantha Hora 7.02 Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-08 Vi, and Astrodienst Asc 29-48-22 Vi & Moon 08-39-07 Li; KPAstro 2.1 and Astrodienst are exactly the same and they are close to Jagannantha Hora 7.02 since all these three SWs are using Swiss ephemeris. 2. Secondly, the marriage is promised because 7CSL Saturn's Sbl Sun is 11th lord, even though Saturn is signifying only 12-12-5 houses. (Plt Sa--12-5 houses, Stl Mo 12, Sbl Su—10-11, Stl Sa 12-5)3. Thirdly, Punarpho is cancelled because; a/ Su in Sa star; and b/ Mo in Su star. However it may need to consider whether Sa may portend denial and disappointment by throwing only its aspect without having connection with houses 2,7 & 11. (KP Reader III page 109) By indication of 11th by Sbl of Sa, can we take Sa is signifying 11th? By 4-step theory it may be so.4. Fourthly, marriage is possible in current running dasa Rahu by signification of 2nd house. Ra dasa 03-03-2000 to 03-03-2018; Ra/Sa 09-04-05 to 15-02-2008; Ra/Sa/Sa 09-04-2005 to 21-09-2005. 5. Fifthly, whether it is possible in Sa bhukti depends on the consideration of above pt 3. Even if it is accepted positively, as we all know Saturn may drag on until the end of its time. In addition, negative signification of 12 & 10 houses are in A & B levels of Saturn itself and its Sbl.6. Sixthly, perhaps the boat was missed during Feb-Mar 2005 during Jupiter bhukti which is the only one strong significator of 7th. As Guruji says how can significator of house 6 or 12 can give marriage since they indicate separation or divorce if already married. Jupiter is also an only one strong significator of 6 house. "----if a plane happens to be the significator of any of the houses 2,7 and 11 and it itself happens to be the strong and signal significator of the sixth, it will not give the marriage---" KP Reader III, page 143. Jupiter is 12CSL and as shown by "+" sign in KPAstro 2.1 it does not have any planet in its star, i.e. Jupiter is also a strong significator of 12 th house, which Inder is saying not KP and massing up with cuspal interlinks. 7. Finally, regarding the probable timing of marriage in the near future, as Guruji said, better keep quiet if nothing to say encouraging. Let us request other learned members to share their expertise for the benefit of KP learners. Regards,twKPAstro 2.1FEMALE (Satish)Sunday, 25/Jul/1982Time: 12:07:00 PMPlace: MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA,IndiaLatitude: 18:58:00 NLongitude: 72:50:00 EAyanamsa: 23° 31' 24"SID: 07:38:55Star: U.Phalguni, Pada 4Bal. Dasa: Sun 0 Y, 7 M, 8 DSu 08:28:52 CnMo 08:39:07 ViMa 01:21:44 LiMe 08:24:03 CnJu 08:01:02 LiVe 12:00:18 GeSa 23:04:36 ViRa 18:47:28 GeFo 29:58:37 ScKe 18:47:28 SgI 29:48:22 ViII 29:13:07 LiIII 29:02:24 ScIV 29:23:06 SgV 00:28:28 AqVI 01:15:15 PiVII 29:48:22 PiVIII 29:13:07 ArIX 29:02:24 TaX 29:23:06 GeXI 00:28:28 LeXII 01:15:15 ViPlanet Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl SslSu Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve VeMo U.Phalguni(4) Me Su Ve RaMa Chitra(3) Ve Ma Me JuMe Pushyami(2) Mo Sa Ve VeJu Swati(1) Ve Ra Ra VeVe Aridra(2) Me Ra Sa RaSa Hasta(4) Me Mo Su SaRa Aridra(4) Me Ra Mo MeKe P.Ashada(2) Ju Ve Ra SaFo Jyeshta(4) Ma Me Sa JuCusp Star(Pada) Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl1 Chitra(2) Me Ma Sa Ju2 Visakha(3) Ve Ju Su Me3 Jyeshta(4) Ma Me Sa Su4 U.Ashada(1) Ju Su Ra Ra5 Dhanishta(3) Sa Ma Me Ve6 P.Bhadra(4) Ju Ju Ma Su7 Revati(4) Ju Me Sa Ju8 Krittika(1) Ma Su Ma Mo9 Mrigasira(2) Ve Ma Sa Su10 Punarvasu(3) Me Ju Su Ve11 Magha(1) Su Ke Ke Ju12 U.Phalguni(2) Me Su Ju JuSignificators - Planets ViewA - Planets in Occupant's starsB - Occupant of houseC - Planets in Owner's starsD - House OwnerE - Planets aspected by A, B, C and DF - Cuspal SublordIn both the tables, A represents the strongest signification and E represents the weakest.Pl A B C D-----------------E------------------------- FSu 12 10 5 11 ---------- 1, 5, 10, 11, 12------------ 2, 10Mo 10 12 11 -------------5, 10, 11, 12Ma 1 1 3, 8 3, 8--------- 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9---------6, 8Me+ 12 10 5 1, 10, 12--1, 5, 10, 11, 12 -----------5Ju+ 9 1--- 4, 6, 7 --------1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 -------12Ve 9 9--- 2, 9 -------------1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12Sa 12 12--- 5 -------------5, 10, 11, 12 -------------1, 3, 7, 9Ra 9 9 ---------------------1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12- 4Ke+ 9 3 2, 9 --------------2, 3, 9 ---------------------11Fo 10 3 1, 10, 12------- 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12+ These planets do not have any planets in their stars. Rahu acts as agent for: Me, Ju, Ve, Sa, Ne.Ketu acts as agent for: Ju, Ve, Ne.Significators - House ViewH No A B C D ------------------E---------------------- F1 Ma Ma, Ju Fo Me -------Su, Ma, Me, Ju, Ve, Ra, Fo ----Sa2 Ke Ve------------------Ve, Ra, Ke, Fo-----------------Su3 Ke, Fo Ma Ma-----------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra, Ke, Fo --------Sa4 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Ra5 Su, Me Sa -------------Su, Mo, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Fo ----Me+6 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Ma7 Ju --------------------Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra ----------------Sa8 Ma Ma -----------------Ma, Ju, Fo-------------------- Ma9 Ke, Ve, Ra, Ju, Ve, Ra Ke Ve--- Ma, Ju, Ve, Ra, Ke----Sa10 Mo, Fo Su, Me Fo Me---Su, Mo, Me, Sa, Fo------------ Su11 Mo Su---------------- Su, Mo, Me, Sa, Fo------------ Ke+12 Sa, Su, Me Mo, Sa Fo Me--Su, Mo, Me, Ve, Sa, Ra, Fo--Ju++ These planets do not have any planets in their stars. Rahu acts as agent for: Me, Ju, Ve, Sa, Ne.Ketu acts as agent for: Ju, Ve, Ne. , "rsatish1942" wrote:> > Dear Tw,> > Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai > 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her > father just rang me up.> > Thanks,> > Satish> > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > Dear Satish,> > > > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at > for > > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK,> > > > "My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > > research and you may reach to further truth."> > > > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to > eat. > > > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > , "rsatish1942" > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka > for > > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative > state > > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly > seen > > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > > analyses.> > > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead > of > > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind > forming > > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > > documented > > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > > my > > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a > year > > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > > Vrishaba Lagna person.> > > > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > > Moon-> > > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > > marriage.present age 23 yrs.> > > > > > With Regards,> > > > > > Satish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > > Dear Udupa,> > > > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > > giving > > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in > Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled > according > > > to > > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > > page > > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB)> 1995 > > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > > Raichur,KPYB > > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), > KPYB > > > > 2005, page 58-62.> > > > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > > job, > > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is > supreme.> > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa > wrote:> > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > > has > > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. > Probably > > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > > formaula > > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in > the > > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > > All > > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > > on > > > > the basis of KP system?> > > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also > is > > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > > accodring > > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? > If > > we > > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles > we > > > may > > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations.> > > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > > using > > > KP > > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted.> > > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > > menbers.> > > > > Udupa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-> 80, > > > KP > > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year > Book > > > > (KPYB) > > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > > Raichur > > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751)> > > > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > > is > > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > > 2002 > > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > > destroy > > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by > 3 > > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > > b/ > > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ > not > > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > > chart > > > > > which can not be studied by original KP.> > > > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > > troubles > > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > > Balachandran) > > > If > > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > > charts, > > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > > not > > > > by > > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > > study > > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > > because > > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 > given > > > > below > > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by > Kar's > > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > > experience > > > > > in his article "Inference from a Honest Retrospection", KPYB > > > 2005 > > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > > Raichur > > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > > than > > > > one > > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > > multimarriage > > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > > charts > > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 > houses > > > can > > > > > cause cancer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > > 3) > > > p > > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > > first > > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > > second > > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, > no > > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > > 80, > > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > > delay > > > > in > > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, > no > > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > > satisfaction if not success> > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple > of > > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms > of > > > the > > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > > signified > > > > by > > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the > small > > > > patch > > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn > (100% > > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > > constellation > > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > > either > > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi > in > > > > > Jupiter Dasha.> > > > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in > continuous > > > > touch > > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > > online), > > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in > his > > > > books > > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is > signifying > > > any > > > > of > > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has > any > > > link > > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) > at > > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > > lord > > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > > Perhaps, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > > the > > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > > seen > > > > any > > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a > case > > > > > of "rags to riches" (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > > in > > > a > > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed > Global > > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of > K > > > > > Baskaran's books on> > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - "Principles of Cuspal Interlinks" > > > > > and "Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2).> > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > > and > > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses > 1 > > & > > > 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > > was > > > a > > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very > much > > > > there > > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but > 12th > > > > cusp. > > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in > either > > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > > short > > > > of > > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > > discussed.> > > > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > > Yogas > > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, > sublord > > > and > > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > > application > > > > of > > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be > filtered, > > > but > > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > > human > > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > > atleast > > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who > might > > > have > > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur wrote:> > > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > > whenevr > > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > > Keep > > > a > > > > > Diary.> > > > > > > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 wrote:> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > > rationalised > > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while > Moon > > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does > not > > > give > > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > > phenomenon.> > > > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > > conflicts,marriage > > > is > > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic > astrology > > > we > > > > > take > > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > > difference > > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > > total > > > > > > by 2)> > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > > observe > > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > > faithfully > > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > > level.This > > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > > Moon > > > > dasa> > > > > > would qualify better.> > > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > > been > > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements > like > > > sub > > > > of > > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 > houses.Latest > > is > > > > to > > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > > social/legal > > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners === message truncated === --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, It appears that you are wrting/replying without reading my message.Kindly see again. More over, I have not read traditional astrology, I have read KP only, so not intention of decrying KP. Very funny that you can draw such conclusion from nowhere. With regards. Inder , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Inder, > You seem to be " refusing to experiment and find out for yourself " ,also, you seem to be intent on quoting traditional astrology. (in your effort to decry K.P.,repeatedly...? ? !) > K.P. principles have been quoted,quite a few examples have been made available,but if you keep insisting,harping upon the same thing on and on...how can any body help a person who refuses to agree...or even do research with some live horoscopes...? > Pl. refer to an enlightening article by Shri A.R.Raichur... > " Marriage Punarphoo and K.P. " ,K.P. & Astrology,Annual,1997,Pp67-68. > With best wishes, > Yours sincerely, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Udupa, > Yes, I would also believe that KP analysis would separately point > out any problem like PP etc. Similar is the case of Kala-Sarpa yoga. > Its effects are much talked about in general way in many astro > circles. But in Kp we ca exactly find out what type of problems are > to be suffered by analysing various cusps. > Similarly what so ever Yogas are present in the chart, we may ignore > that, and analyse any aspect of the native's life by cusp analysis. > > These yogas atbest only can give you a vague idea of general nature. > If you are meticuleously analsying dasa/bhukti/antra/shukshama with > refence to cusps you need not look into pp or KSY or other simalr > things. > Inder > > , AH Udupa <ahudupa> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and has > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. Probably > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a formaula > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in the > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. All > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted on > the basis of KP system? > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also is > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly accodring > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? If we > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles we may > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse using KP > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of menbers. > > Udupa > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74-80, KP > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year Book > (KPYB) > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > Raichur > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet is > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB 2002 > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > destroy > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by 3 > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and b/ > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ not > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary chart > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > troubles > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, Balachandran) If > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > charts, > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but not > by > > words, only by action. > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to study > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > because > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 given > below > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by Kar's > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his experience > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB 2005 > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri Raichur > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more than > one > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP multimarriage > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example charts > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 houses can > > cause cancer. > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; 3) p > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at first > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & second > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, no > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p 80, > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, delay > in > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, no > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Jagadish K <kjagadish48> > > wrote: > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple of > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms of the > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses signified > by > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the small > patch > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn (100% > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > constellation > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running either > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi in > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in continuous > touch > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > online), > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in his > books > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is signifying any > of > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has any link > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) at > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub lord > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. Perhaps, I > am > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where the > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly seen > any > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a case > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps in a > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed Global > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of K > > Baskaran's books on > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus and > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses 1 & 2. > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there was a > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very much > there > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but 12th > cusp. > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in either > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing short > of > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as discussed. > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either Yogas > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, sublord and > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense application > of > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be filtered, but > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of human > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This atleast > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who might have > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > whenevr > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. Keep a > > Diary. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > rationalised > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while Moon > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does not give > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day phenomenon. > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to conflicts,marriage is > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic astrology we > > take > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > difference > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ total > > > by 2) > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to observe > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > faithfully > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > level.This > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or Moon > dasa > > > would qualify better. > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already been > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements like sub > of > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 houses.Latest is > to > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > social/legal > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is a > cold > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > marriage > > has > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come into > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically quoting > the > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the issue. > I > > am > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I have > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who were > kind > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions about > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You have > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > qualitative > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for quantitative > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction is > based > > on > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The quotation > from > > the > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon is in > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > retarded > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the mental > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, nevertheless the > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here that > since > > KP > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do not > know > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only lead to > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP for sure > > is > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a part and > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in any > > number > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal interlinks > > etc. > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I am > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable that > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the analysis > > could > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > knowledge > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The attempt > > must > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our Vedic > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > Amavasya, > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) etc., > apart > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > various > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation and > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets have > to > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, along with > a > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I have > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I took > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and update the > > Forum > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from the > > point > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether to > > agree > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you could > > have > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis of > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential to draw > > any > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to know > the > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > marriage > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is what > I > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > hi astrologers > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same degree of > 24 > > in > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there any > > problem > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Tw, The girl was born in Chembur Mumbai,Mr Raichur can provide you the coordinates. Rgds, Satish -- In , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear List > KP requires Birth details as accurately as is possible. > > Mumbai is such a big city, especially in NS direction, so Latitude changes from one > > suburb to another. > > The Lat and Long given by satish is For Coloba Observatory. It is good enough for Traditinal > > Horoscope. > > Similar is the Case for Kolkatta, Chenne, and Delhi. The lat long of suburbs in these cities can > > be found if requred. > > good luck > > > rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote: > > Dear Tw, > > Birth details as requested.25-07-1982 time 12-07p.m.place Mumbai > 18N58,72e50.Please predict also the probable date of marriage.Her > father just rang me up. > > Thanks, > > Satish > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > > > 1. It's a pleasure to learn that Saturn has given you what has to > > give as mentioned by KSK & KPs but may be with a delay or some > > problems or not up to the level of expectation as per nature of > > Saturn (especally if there is PP). > > > > 2. Example charts already studied have been provided to look at > for > > those KP scholars young and old and to do further study quoting a > > valuable statement of our Guruji KSK, > > > > " My friends, we have come upto this- you should continue the > > research and you may reach to further truth. " > > > > 3. As you know, without proof of pudding there is nothing to > eat. > > > > 4. If the standard birth details are provided, the marriage issue > > of Tula rising lady may be reviewed by some members of our group. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , " rsatish1942 " > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The concept of planetary combinations with Moon and their > > > effects,whether the planets are Sun,Saturn,Rahuetc are well > > > documented in various astrology books.Since Moon is the karaka > for > > > the mind,the affliction to the mind of an individual,occurs in > > > various modes,from explosive anger to depressive or negative > state > > > of mind.The consequences of such negativeness,is particularly > seen > > > in Saturn-Moon combination.These combinations can be on stellar > > > level,or conjunctions or even aspects.All these are a part of KP > > > analyses. > > > What is interesting in the conjunction of Saturn -Moon is the > > > separatitive aspect where the faster moving planetMoon is ahead > of > > > the slow planet Saturn,compared to the Moon lagging behind > forming > > > applying/positive aspect.It has been stated the applying aspect > > > gives positive energy to Saturn to do good. I do not have > > documented > > > proof to provide.I was curious to study the effects of Saturn in > > my > > > life having enjoyed 19years of the Saturn dasa which ended a > year > > > ago.My Saturn had a near trine aspect with Moon,supported by > > > Jupiter also having also a near trine aspect with Moon.I am a > > > Vrishaba Lagna person. > > > > > > I would encourage our young friends who examine plenty of > > > horoscopes to single out horoscopes with such combination for > > > study.I have one such horoscope of young lady Tula Lagna with > > Moon- > > > Saturn(applying) in 12th ,issue under consideration is > > > marriage.present age 23 yrs. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > Dear Udupa, > > > > > > > > 1. Already plenty examples for both of you to study before > > giving > > > > any specific view meaningfully: a/ 34 example charts in > Vaikari > > > > Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 (15 charts cancelled > according > > > to > > > > Dr. Kar's theory of PP Cancellation); b/ KP Reader VI, 1978 > > page > > > > 179; c/ J. Rama Krishna Rao, KP & Astrology Year Book (KPYB) > 1995 > > > > page 52-53; d/ Dr. Kar, KPYB 1996 page 69-72; e/ Prof. K. > > > > Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 80-83; f/ Our Shri A. R. > > Raichur,KPYB > > > > 1997 page 67-68; g/ C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer (calling PP Dosha), > KPYB > > > > 2005, page 58-62. > > > > > > > > 2. Simply if doing good job, will be called good boy; if bad > > job, > > > > bad boy; no need a formular to be called Yoga or Dosha, only > > > > evidencee is needed. Name is nothing and only effect is > supreme. > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , AH Udupa > wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > The punarpoo has been talked about, has been defined and > > has > > > > been a subject that has been written about quite a lot. > Probably > > > > what we should look at is whether we should go for such a > > formaula > > > > (call it Yoga or Dosha), when we have such a strong tool in > the > > > > methodology of stellar astrology rendered by Shri Guruji KSK. > > All > > > > the effects attributed to Punarpoo - can they not be predicted > > on > > > > the basis of KP system? > > > > > This is a question in my mind. May be Mr. Jagdish also > is > > > > pointing out the same. If we analyse the chart correctly > > accodring > > > > to KP are we not able to predict punarpoo effects correctly? > If > > we > > > > are able to predict effects correctly with stellar principles > we > > > may > > > > ignore YOga, Dosha , its cancellation and such considerations. > > > > > Therefore my suggestion is that those who have data > > > > corresponding to Saturn+Moon combination may try to analyse > > using > > > KP > > > > whether the corresponding effects can be predicted. > > > > > This info can be published in the forum for the benifit of > > > menbers. > > > > > Udupa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Punarpho (PP) is well defined and combination of its > > > > > cancellation is clearly set. (KP Reader IV, 1984, page 74- > 80, > > > KP > > > > > Reader VI, 1978, page 179; Dr. Kar, KP & Astrology Year > Book > > > > (KPYB) > > > > > 1996 page 70, Prof. K. Balachandran, KPYB 2003 page 82, Shri > > > > Raichur > > > > > Msg#5849, Lajmi Msg#5751) > > > > > > > > > > 2. In line with his Retrogression theory (retrograde planet > > is > > > > > defeated by Sun, Kar, KPYB 1996 page 61; Balachandran, KPYB > > > 2002 > > > > > page 87), Kar's theory of Cancellation of PP is the Sun to > > > > destroy > > > > > the evil effect of PP (Kar, KPYB 1996 page 70) supported by > 3 > > > > > cases: despite PP, a/ getting admitted in Medecine study and > > b/ > > > > > getting more respectable job (both without charts), and c/ > not > > > > > preventing to win lottery of Rs. 500 with a sub-sub horary > > chart > > > > > which can not be studied by original KP. > > > > > > > > > > 3. As a result of well evidenced evil effect of delay and > > > > troubles > > > > > it is also called PP Dosha. (Vaikari Ramamurthy, > > Balachandran) > > > If > > > > > positive effect of PP is demonstrated by convincing example > > > > charts, > > > > > Dosha may not be used anymore and may be changed to Yoga but > > not > > > > by > > > > > words, only by action. > > > > > > > > > > 4. The name is not so important and the real issue is to > > study > > > > > further whether PP is really cancelled by Kar's combination > > > > because > > > > > 15 charts from Vaikari Ramamurthy: Punarphoo, 1999-2000 > given > > > > below > > > > > are affected by PP Dosha even though PP is cancelled by > Kar's > > > > > combination. Moreover, Prof. Rajendra Kumar shares his > > > experience > > > > > in his article " Inference from a Honest Retrospection " , KPYB > > > 2005 > > > > > page 52 that Retrogression theory is not working. Shri > > Raichur > > > > > also shares his experience of some obstacles/problems in the > > > > > marriage caused by PP. Over 60 out of 100 charts with more > > than > > > > one > > > > > marriage have bee found with PP in my study of KP > > multimarriage > > > > > rule. A Vedic astrologer is saying with supportive example > > > charts > > > > > that combination of Mon and Saturn related to 6, 8, 12 > houses > > > can > > > > > cause cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) p 14, engagement broken; 2) p 18, not getting a good job; > > 3) > > > p > > > > > 27, not achieving name & fame; 4) p 38, run away of wife at > > > first > > > > > night; 5) p 51, marriage after cancellation of punarphoo & > > > second > > > > > marriage promised; 6) p 68, extra-marital affairs; 7) p 75, > no > > > > > marriage; 8) p 77, no marriage; 9) p 78, no marriage; 10) p > > 80, > > > > > delay in marriage; 11) p 83, delay in marriage; 12) p 90, > > delay > > > > in > > > > > marriage; 13) p 95, a miserable maritial bliss; 14) p 102, > no > > > > > improvement in life; 15) p 115, delay in prosperity of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks and this suggestion leads us to the pinnacle of > > > > > satisfaction if not success > > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely, this is what has been done atleast in a couple > of > > > > > cases. The result simply follows the main frame KP in terms > of > > > the > > > > > star lord of Saturn. The matters related to the houses > > > signified > > > > by > > > > > the star lord gets activated. The recording includes the > small > > > > patch > > > > > of financial dealings too, since the gentleman involved is a > > > > > businessman. The effect is in total isolation of Saturn > (100% > > > > > disregard of Sat+Moon conjunction) and limited to the > > > > constellation > > > > > where Saturn is posited. However, the native is not running > > > either > > > > > Saturn or Moon Dasha, but at present running Saturn Bhukthi > in > > > > > Jupiter Dasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > My observation in some horoscopes where the natives are > > > > > contemporaries (who are my close associates) and in > continuous > > > > touch > > > > > (some times on very critical day to day issues, practically > > > > online), > > > > > the cuspal interlinks issue as mentioned in K Baskaran in > his > > > > books > > > > > is noteworthy. For example: eventhough a planet is > signifying > > > any > > > > of > > > > > the undesirable houses (for the given issue), if that has > any > > > link > > > > > with the 11th cusp (ofcourse if 11th Bhava is good enough) > at > > > > > stellar level or sub lord level or for that matter sub-sub > > lord > > > > > level, the possible negative effects would be reduced. > > Perhaps, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > constrained to understand in the context of one chart where > > the > > > > > sublord of cusps 2, 8, 9 and 11 is the same. I have hardly > > seen > > > > any > > > > > great struggle in his life and on the other hand it is a > case > > > > > of " rags to riches " (in terms of Corporate power and perhaps > > in > > > a > > > > > few weeks, he is going to report to one of the esteemed > Global > > > > > Company's Chairman). I am yet to assimilate the contents of > K > > > > > Baskaran's books on > > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks - " Principles of Cuspal Interlinks " > > > > > and " Applications of Cuspla Interlinks (Part 1 & Part 2). > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the above native too has Sat 25:05 in Dhanus > > and > > > > > Moon 13:26 in Makara in the same cusp i.e., 1st, but houses > 1 > > & > > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, the much discussed Sat+Jupiter cojunction (there > > was > > > a > > > > > discussion a couple of weeks back in the Forum), is very > much > > > > there > > > > > in this case. Sat as above + Jupiter 18:20 in Dhanus but > 12th > > > > cusp. > > > > > Infact, Jupiter+Saturn conjunction if it takes place in > either > > > > > Dhanus or Meena, Prof.Ramakrishna Bhat calls it as nothing > > short > > > > of > > > > > a Yoga! And ofcourse similar views on Sat+Moon too, as > > discussed. > > > > > > > > > > > > For our research purpose, I do not want to consider either > > > Yogas > > > > > or Doshas, but be guided by the stellar signification, > sublord > > > and > > > > > cuspal interlink, etc. With due deligence and intense > > > application > > > > of > > > > > mind, whether it is Yoga or Dosha, it is sure to be > filtered, > > > but > > > > > not branded. Obviously, delay,obstacles and other hicups of > > > human > > > > > beings life is sure to come to light in our scanning. This > > > atleast > > > > > prevents creartion of fear psychosis amongst people who > might > > > have > > > > > the so called undesirable conjunctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur wrote: > > > > > > A good suggestion, to observe the changes in routine life, > > > > whenevr > > > > > Transit Moon passes over > > > > > > > > > > > > one,s Natal Saturn. Allow +/- 5 degree for conjunction. > > Keep > > > a > > > > > Diary. > > > > > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > rsatish1942 wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In one of earlier notings, The Saturn-Moon conflict is > > > > > rationalised > > > > > > with the explanation,Saturn is the child of Moon, while > Moon > > > > > > recognises Saturn as its child, conversely, Saturn does > not > > > give > > > > > > Moon the same respect due as a parent, a modern day > > phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Essentially this combination gives rise to > > conflicts,marriage > > > is > > > > > > just one of the many issues in one's life.In vedic > astrology > > > we > > > > > take > > > > > > an orb of approx 7 deg, for treating as conjunction, i.e. > > > > > difference > > > > > > between long, between sat and moon.(Orbs of both, add ,÷ > > total > > > > > > by 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest to those having such a conjunction to > > observe > > > > > > monthly transit of Moon over this are of horoscope and > > > > faithfully > > > > > > record the observations, on physical as well as mental > > > > level.This > > > > > > would be a valuable document. Those having either Sat or > > Moon > > > > dasa > > > > > > would qualify better. > > > > > > As regards its effect on marriage,delays etc have already > > been > > > > > > mentioned.For fulfillment there are other requirements > like > > > sub > > > > of > > > > > > 7th being significator of either 2 or 7 or 11 > houses.Latest > > is > > > > to > > > > > > consider 5 or 8 houses as well.You can be married by > > > > social/legal > > > > > > norms , the marriage is intact, but one of the partners is > a > > > > cold > > > > > > fish.( Examine 1st house significations).All these means > > > > marriage > > > > > has > > > > > > gone beyond 2,7,11 houses and truly many other houses come > > > into > > > > > > play,which have been ignored or examined in parts . > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Jagadish K > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mr.L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time and intervention, specifically > > quoting > > > > the > > > > > > article, which has practically given an insight into the > > > issue. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > in full agreement with the contents. I do not think that I > > > have > > > > > > raised any doubt on the article or others exposure, who > were > > > > kind > > > > > > enough to enlighten me and the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact from the day one, I had my personal apprehensions > > > about > > > > > > generalising the conjunction and drawing inferences. You > > have > > > > > > precisely quoted the article and it has proved my point / > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About my personal exposure / experience, it is genrally > > > > > qualitative > > > > > > in nature as I have no opportunity, as of now, for > > > quantitative > > > > > > exposure. Therefore, my views on the subject conjunction > is > > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > my personal experience and not from the books. The > quotation > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > books have been specifically mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the chart of a female (for case study) where Moon > > is > > > in > > > > > > capricorn and Sat in cancer, the girl ofcourse is mentally > > > > > retarded > > > > > > (mental age 5 years, physical age 29 years). However, the > > > mental > > > > > > retardation may not be due to only Sat / Moon, > nevertheless > > > the > > > > > > negative contribution of Sat/Moon cannot be ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For academic interest, if I am permitted to add here > that > > > > since > > > > > KP > > > > > > System rightly does not recognise Yogas or Avayogas, I do > > not > > > > know > > > > > > whether we could make a list of Doshas, as it will only > lead > > > to > > > > > > confusion than clarity. Further, the basic tenets of KP > for > > > sure > > > > > is > > > > > > on stellar signification, any Dosha will obviously be a > part > > > and > > > > > > parcel of the stellar signification and perhaps show up in > > any > > > > > number > > > > > > of ways viz., star lord, sub-lord, cusps and cuspal > > interlinks > > > > > etc. > > > > > > I am not attempting to criticise anybody or any book and I > > am > > > > > > honestly trying to absorb the System. It is quite probable > > > that > > > > > > frequent encounter by the learned Astrologers with similar > > > > > > circumstances in good number of charts coming up, the > > analysis > > > > > could > > > > > > be narrowed down and may be in the process of thought and > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > transfer would have ended up in terming it a Dosha. The > > > attempt > > > > > must > > > > > > have been as an early warning mechanisim and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I have encountered funny situations with our > > > Vedic > > > > > > stalwarts, with no offense to them, classifying birth on > > > > Amavasya, > > > > > > Sarpa Dosha, Kala Sarpa Dosha, Sade Sathi (in transit) > etc., > > > > apart > > > > > > from reading the horoscope on mere placement of planets in > > > > various > > > > > > favourable and unfavourable signs, including exaltation > and > > > > > > debilitation etc. Whereas I do understand that the planets > > > have > > > > to > > > > > > show up their inherent qualities and characteristics, > along > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > host of other astrological parameters. So much so that I > > have > > > > > > personal aversion to both Yogas and Doshas and therefore I > > > took > > > > > > solace in KP System. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, I will keep track of the subject issue and > update > > > the > > > > > Forum > > > > > > specifically and share the points with all the mebers from > > the > > > > > point > > > > > > of view of research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K Jagadish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lajmi wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Jagadish K, > > > > > > > I have quoted from a research article,by > > > > > > very experienced,respected and famous researcher...whether > > to > > > > > agree > > > > > > to his opinion,or not,is entirely your prerogative,but you > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > perhaps done better to cite some examples...from your own > > > > > > experiences,for the benefit of us all... > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagadish K wrote: > > > > > > > It is not possible comment on marriage just on the basis > > of > > > > > > Sat+Moon conjunction. Birth chart as per KP is essential > to > > > draw > > > > > any > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ongoing discussion on the subject is an attempt to > > know > > > > the > > > > > > possible outcome of such conjunction and not focusing on > > > > marriage > > > > > > alone, whereas there may be a possibility of such delay is > > > what > > > > I > > > > > > have understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk bv wrote: > > > > > > > hi astrologers > > > > > > > wat are the effects when saturn n moon are in same > degree > > of > > > > 24 > > > > > in > > > > > > virgo when it is third house to lagna (cancer) is there > any > > > > > problem > > > > > > with marriage ? plz.... > > > > > > > waiting 4 ur reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear friends, I had prepared the chart of the young lady,using Mr Raichur's software.DOB 25-7-1982,time 12-17p.m.(noon),Mumbai 18-58/72-50. the printout shows Sid time 7-48-58,ayanamsa 23-31-24. With the software Asc is Tula 2-9-59,Moon8-43-26.dasa bal sun 0-209 days,ends on19-2-83. I rechecked now ,the girl was born at Chembur, Mumbai. Regards, Satish. Jagannath Hora gives same lagna , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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